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I might be done with AJ too.

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by wrbanwal, Oct 24, 2010.

  1. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    Just sayin
     
  2. scratchnz

    scratchnz BoltTalker

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    AJ and Norv have both contributed to the Chargers downfall just as much as our success of late...been more Failure than sucess...I rest my case!
     
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  3. Boltdiehard

    Boltdiehard Well-Known Member

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    Now you're waking up.
     
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  4. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Start from scratch????
     
  5. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    I don't think we need to. But I think we need a attitude, and we need discipline. We need better play calling. We need better line play.

    I'm not sure how we get there. But if AJ can't see it for what it is, then I'm done with him too.
     
  6. SDRaiderH8er

    SDRaiderH8er Well-Known Member

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    starting from fromula
     
  7. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    A new HC may be a start, one that will kicka s s and make one pay for fawking up during a game. AJ, needs to back out of the coaching job and keep his mouth shut.
     
  8. SDRaiderH8er

    SDRaiderH8er Well-Known Member

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    How many games in a row now is that we have had multiple turnovers. NOW the new thing is the players do not want to finish the play. The balls on the ground and nobody wants it. Twice it was by our Offense. I guess you don’t have to play till you hear the whistle anymore. Norv doesn’t hold anyone accountable. Special teams are still giving up huge returns. STUPID STUPID penalties. We can keep going on but what good is
     
  9. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    I don't think AJ's the greatest GM since sliced bread like I once did but I still think we can win with him if we had a better head coach.

    That being said, since Norv is kinda AJ's guy if it means Norv's gone I'd be fine with AJ being gone as well.
     
  10. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    exactly, no accountability. Somebody should have been benched after the FIRST bonehead play
     
  11. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    I agree with this.
     
  12. Holy_Bolt

    Holy_Bolt Well-Known Member

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    Since I was one that thought the Chargers were going to be a force this year, I have lost all confidence im my own opinions.

    With that said, I in line with others who feel we won't get a great head coach while AJ is GM. I have heard/read enough to draw the conclusion that AJ won't allow a HC the breathing room to run the team their way. A good head coach won't be a "yes man".

    So, I'm on board with a GM and HC change at the end of the season.
     
  13. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    I can get on board here. I'll give him a pass if AJ could man up and admit he screwed up with Norv.
     
  14. JoeRockhead

    JoeRockhead BoltTalker

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    I agree. If we change the coach, we need to change the front office. AJ will not do whatever it takes to win. He also is getting to be a dictator. I think his actions will hurt is in the player department in the future.
     
  15. JoeRockhead

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    I think your right on target. I felt the same way. After this dreadful offseason, and bad start to the season, I have soured on AJ.
    He wants his hand in everything, and surronds himself with yes men. Norv is a wimp and a puppet. He maybe a decent offensive coordinator, but he is no coach.
    He doesn't have the personality for it.
     
  16. Skuzzlebutt

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    We all knew this team had major holes this offseason. But we brought in no one via free agency, left two major pieces holding out, and spend our first two picks on a RB we don't need/use.

    Great choices, AJ.

    Best team you've ever coached huh, Norv? Great.
     
  17. !~BOLT~!

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    Well said. I'm with ya.
     
  18. AnteaterCharger

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    I'm not done with AJ but he's on incredibly thin ice with me
     
  19. MasterOfPuppets

    MasterOfPuppets Charger fan since 1979

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    If AJ fires (assuming he has the authority) Norv, and hires (again, assuming he has the authority) a good coach, then he can stay, if not, he's gone too

    BTW, would the kid Spanos be the new GM?
     
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    I don’t know how much truth there is to it. But I read where several high ranking College Coaches came in for an Interview while the Chargers were looking after Marty was fired. One of them indicated that as long as Spanos was not willing to pay top $$$$$ for a head coach, we will always have second tier coaches. Is that because of AJ or is it Spanos being cheap?
     
  21. SDC-IL

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    Interesting point. AJ must have the same thing Jerry Jones has. Bringing in enablers.
     
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    A.J. forgives those who doubt.
     
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    I don't get the point of this thread, have the Chargers ever had a better GM?

    1960 Frank Leahy

    1960-1971 Sid Gillman

    1971-1976 Harland Svare

    1976-1987 John Sanders

    1987-1990 Steve Ortmayer

    1990-2000 Bobby Beathard

    2001-2003 John Butler

    2003 A.J. Smith
     
  24. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    Maybe, maybe not. But even if I accept the premise that he's the best of those that came before him that doesn't necessarily mean he's the answer for winning in the future. (Doesn't mean he isn't, either)
     
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    It seems to me that the issue is execution, and that falls squarely on coaching. I just don't see the problem with the GM's talent acquisition/retention.
     
  26. HollywoodLeo

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    I was just focusing on logical argument there and not necessarily the specifics.

    I pretty much agree with you, but as I said earlier I wouldn't complain if AJ was fired because for whatever reason that's what it would take to replace Norv.
     
  27. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    I'm still of the belief that the "ego" argument gets massively blown out of proportion. Does AJ Smith have an ego? Yes. I'd argue that to succeed as a man in the position he's asked to fill you HAVE to have an ego to you. The guys who are touted as some of the best GM's currently in this business (Ozzie Newsome, Bill Belichick, Ted Thompson, Bill Polian, Jerry Reese) all have egos... some of them have HUGE egos (BB, TT, and Polian for sure!).

    And, if I'm being honest here, I'm not seeing a whole lot of viable options out there to be brought in to replace him. GM's are different from HC's, there's a considerably smaller pool of qualified and actually "good" candidates to be had. At best, maybe we'd be looking at Eric DeCosta (Newsome's perceived "protege" in Baltimore) or Floyd Reese (former Titans GM, current Patriots FO Adviser), both of whom are strong draft guys but have either very little (DeCosta) or just not a good track record (Reese) when it comes to operating on the team side of a bargaining table or in negotiating trades.

    I also think that Norv's submissive personality (or lack of a personality in general) has made people more unreasonably prone to believe that AJ cannot coexist with a "quality" coach with a dominant personality. It's all a matter of similar personalities. There are guys out there who can instill regiment and a stronger sense of accountability in this team and get along with AJ Smith. They're just not going to be the boisterous and loud Rex Ryan or Jon Gruden types. Coaches with similar personalities to say Mike Tomlin or Mike Smith could very easily coexist with AJ.
     
  28. sdbound

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    OK, now we're getting to the real issue. Perhaps I've missed something (quite possible, maybe even damned likely), but why wouldn't A.J. during the season ending evaluation conclude that Norv needed to be replaced, if execution doesn't turn around.
     
  29. HollywoodLeo

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    I don't really fall under the belief that AJ and Norv are BFFs and AJ wants to keep Norval around no matter what.

    I was more just speaking under the pretense of if I'm wrong on that account and he really does just want his yes-man there.
     
  30. Lancer 1

    Lancer 1 Eternal Optimist

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    AJ is a good GM and I don't want to see him go. This team has featured enough talent & depth to be a consitent postseason participant and dare I say, a championship contender. Let's not forget, we lost 4 starters to injury in Week 1 of last season, and after a few early hiccups we reeled off 11 wins in a row. We cannot go from an elite team to complete crap in just 1 offseason, with basically the same personnel that we had last season.

    I think it's coaching. This team is just not prepared to play week in & week out, they are undiciplined and don't ever play a complete game, from the opening kickoff to the final whistle. They don't play with a sense of urgency until they are several scores behind late in the 2nd half, and for that I fault the supposed offensive mastermind who also doubles as our Head Coach.
     

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