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Is our run defense even fixable at this point?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Fossil, Sep 26, 2015.

  1. Fossil

    Fossil BoltTalker

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    The following is from Acee's perspective (Makes me wonder whether we even have the players to toughen up against the run. Hope this unit gels starting Sunday) :

    This Chargers front has only Corey Liuget who can be said to be close to consistent against the run. End Kendall Reyes can be assessed as consistently below average. Tackle Sean Lissemore is exceptional, then invisible, which is the definition of inconsistent. The only physical inside linebacker (rookie Denzel Perryman) isn’t playing quickly enough to get any defensive snaps yet. Donald Butler and Manti Te’o run hot and cold on being where they’re supposed to be and often have trouble overcoming their size limitations.

    The Chargers are giving up the sixth-most yards per rush overall, at 4.7 per. That includes an absurd 3.87 yards before contact. That’s ridiculous. Almost half the teams in the NFL aren’t allowing that many total yards per carry.

    On 14 rush plays up the middle, they’re allowing an average of 7.4 yards, which is fourth-most in the NFL on such plays. Teams are gaining four or more yards on 51.9 percent of their rushes against the Chargers, which is the fourth-highest rate allowed through two weeks.

    Assessing his defense last week, Mike McCoy said, “There were plenty of times (the Cincinnati Bengals) were held to what we called winning plays, and there were plenty of times they were too soft.”

    That might sound like typical McCoy banality unless you know how much of an indictment NFL folks consider the word “soft.”

    It was alarming to watch Bengals back Jeremy Hill go up the middle for nine yards, Giovanni Bernard go around the right side for nine yards two plays later and Hill get five through the left side on the next play. It was 23 yards on three runs against the Chargers’ base defense. Reyes was essentially a spectator on all three. Lissemore might have subbed in dress shoes for that series, and Te’o simply couldn’t get off blocks.

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...ers-vikings-run-defense-peterson-record-acee/
     
  2. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Not even the 3rd game of the season. YES the D can get better. Communication should improve weekly.
     
  3. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    I'd like to see what happens if the Chargers put Matthews and Carrethers in there as both are pretty decent run stoppers
     
  4. Pointyearedog

    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    As if Acee was some kind of sage or guru on the subject...
     
  5. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Not much chance. Just banking on Carrethers and Perryman eventually getting an opportunity, and running with it.

    Terrance Knighton on a 1 year deal at $4M, is looking like a pretty nice bargain about now.
     
  6. gonzokrb

    gonzokrb Well-Known Member

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    We will suck at run defense until we get an exceptional nose tackle. Jamal Williams is the last great nose tackle we've had. Without that kind of NT you can't run a 3-4. I've been saying this for years (also last time we had Jamal!). I don't know what we're running. Look at how Lissmore lines up on the ball. He's a yard and a half away from the center and a full yard off the line of scrimmage. No way he can get any pressure up the middle and makes it easier for the O-line to double team him. Based on last weeks game, there was no need to double team any of our D-Lineman! Our 3 down lineman have to eat up blockers. When this doesn't happen the O-line gets to the LB level and that's why we're giving up 6 yards per carry! Why can't this coaching staff see this!?!
     
  7. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Part of the problem is we don't even run much true 3-4 anymore, most of the time we have two down, four linebackers, and five DBs (2-4-5) or some variation. Which means guys like Attaochu, Emanuel, and Ingram (all in the 250 pound range) are having to shed the blocks of 300+ pound OTs, and are even double teamed at times. They're just getting mauled.

    Then you got Mathews and Lissemore who are hit and miss, and Reyes who gets pushed in to the second level REGULARLY; and there really is no hope for Te'o or Butler to ever make plays behind or at the line of scrimmage.

    In fact that's exactly why Weddle is leading our team in tackles again.
     
  8. JohnnyX

    JohnnyX 2017 Chargers Head Coach

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    It's a team mentality and if you don't have the depth it'll wear you thin. If we get Carreathers and Lessimore back, we should be a respectable run defense against most. Our Pass Rush HAS to deliver and take advantage of a rare elite pass defense.

    If you look back to the Bengals game no one receiver had over 50 yards. This game against the Vikings is the perfect game to go after and create turnovers against a gins inexperienced Vikings offense.
     
  9. charger1993

    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    The way it's looking is philon needs snaps over Reyes. Carrethers needs to play over lissemore. Peryman needs some snaps to get used to the game speed. That should help some
     
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  10. JohnnyX

    JohnnyX 2017 Chargers Head Coach

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    Add Emmanuel over Attaochu who looks disappointing this year. He gives a better 1-2 punch with Melvin Ingram.
     
  11. charger1993

    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    I wish they'd put Emmanuel in. The kid balls. Attaochu could be great but he's unpolished. Atta is starting to look like her be a better player in a 4 3 rde
     

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