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Manti Te'o sucks

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Fouts, Sep 13, 2015.

  1. Fouts

    Fouts I heart Deano!

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    Yes or no?

    Discussion thread, semi unofficial.
     
  2. Pointyearedog

    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    Yes, no, maybe...
     
  3. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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  4. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    ┬┐Manti, no mas?
     
  5. powayslugger

    powayslugger Feckless Slappy

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    it's just one game... I'll hold off until week 6
     
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  6. JohnnyX

    JohnnyX 2017 Chargers Head Coach

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    Idiot play on the last lions TD. He was man to man and left the inside open. The RB made the cut and he couldn't keep up. Outside of that I thought he played well. Just never put him one on one with a speedy rb.
     
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  7. Bruce Daniel

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    Cmon, he's not the only inside backer that gets burnt when left one on one with a back or receiver. That's a total mismatch throughout the league which is why offensive coordinators try their hardest to get these match ups and exploit them. Look, I'm not gonna say Teo is a pro bowler but he's not trash either.
     
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  8. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    I think the problem here is that Te'o is not the physical punch you in the mouth type LB, of whom you're willing to overlook a downside in coverage. He's an instinct/finesse type LB, much like Donnie Edwards (who was underrated). A guy who should be making a living off sniffing out these arrow routes and screens that we were gashed by today.

    I've seen Te'o have good games, and he's not so bad that I'd be calling for Perryman yet; but I'm a little concerned.
     
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  9. Dublin Bolt

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    I concur. We can be so much better. I say give Perryman his head.

    Also, let's stop wasting roster spots (and esp gameday positions) on Jacoby Jones and Donald Brown. Bring Herndon to the team to return kicks and punts/be a gunner. And go get another serviceable RB for the 53 that costs a fraction of what Brown does.
     
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  10. jackfrost

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    SPUD of the highest order .............................. to think we have he and Butler controlling the underbelly of our D is absolutely terrifying to me.

    Simply put, cannot play at this level. What is his strong suit by the way ?...................in 3 years I haven't seen him tackle with any consistency, close down plays or intimidate a single sole, so what's he bring to this team ?

    Get Perryman and Conner in there now or we'll pay dearly as the year unfolds.
     
  11. Chaincrusher

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    I see Te'o as a low end starter or a high end true reserve as opposed to a reserve specialist that has a clear strength, but also a significant weakness that should prevent the player from being a starter (see Reyes, Kendall).

    Like matilack said, Te'o is a finesse player. He struggles to shed blocks. He is not horrible as a run defender, but not good. But he lacks the speed/quickness to run down plays like Donnie Edwards used to do for us and is nowhere near as good as Edwards was in pass coverage.

    So, as jackfrost's post suggests, Te'o is a player that really does not do anything all that well. He is a below average run defender and an average pass defender.

    Conner is a better run defender than Te'o, but a worse pass defender. IMO, the two players are pretty close in terms of overall ability. I think Perryman has more upside than either Te'o or Conner, but he needs time to develop.
     
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  12. Lance19

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    I've never been in the Te'o camp, but really, one game is inadequate to judge the 2015 version of Te'o.

    Yes, Lambo's touchbacks are nice, but now that extra points are more of a challenge,
    missing one, like yesterday, is more likely to cost the Chargers a game...lucky for Lambo
    that yesterdays miss wasn't the difference in a 33-34 loss.
    A missed extra point on only a guy's 3rd PAT attempt is not insignificant...
     
  13. Chaincrusher

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    I disagree.

    We have seen 2+ seasons of Te'o. We know that he is nothing special. Yesterday's game was more of the same--a typical not horrible, but not very good Te'o game.

    And Lambo did what he was supposed to do. Kickers occasionally miss 37 yard FG attempts. It isn't a good thing, but its detriment was one-third of a missed 37 yard FG attempt. Lambo was accurate and unphased in the clutch in the preseason and made his FGAs yesterday. He also managed to get several touchbacks for us, which takes on added significance with our less than stellar looking kick coverage. To me, the evidence generated so far clearly suggests that the team made the right call in keeping Lambo over Novak.
     
  14. Lance19

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    You really "disagree" with "...one game is inadequate to judge the 2015 version of Te'o" ?

    Personally, I think the NFL went a bit too far in moving the PAT back...yes, making it less of a formality
    makes sense, given how much more accurate kickers are, today...but a full 13 yards more is drastic,
    and will really fvck up the kicking stats.

    That said, it IS the new PAT, and yes, Lambo had to deal with an extra 5 yards, but still:
    At the end of the day, our new kicker is 3/4 on PATs...not horrible...
    but also not cause for me to run around high-fiving everybody about how
    obvious it is that we've improved at kicker. I want to believe...but that miss is not insignificant...
    if it had been the difference in a 33-34 loss (something Lambo had no control over),
    Charger fans would not be trying to minimize the miss...
     
  15. Chaincrusher

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    In my view, we have seen what Te'o has to offer. I am not expecting some quantum leap in performance out of him. I think he will have better games than the one he had yesterday, but he will never be anything special in his NFL career. He simply lacks the physical ability to be elite and has from day one of his career. You could see it against Alabama. You could see it at the combine. You could see it two years ago. You could see it last year. You can see it now. Nothing has changed.

    Again, I am not suggesting that he is horrible. He is rosterable, but I think the verdict is in on Te'o. I like him as quality depth, but not so much as a starter. He is the kind of player that starts on a weak ILB unit and is a reserve for a good ILB unit. It isn't one game that tells me that, but many games from Te'o. It seems clear by now.

    Regarding Lambo, if we had had Novak, I believe that we would have lost yesterday because our special teams coverage is bad right now and the Lions would have made big kick returns and would have scored more points. Touchbacks help any team, but they really help a team that is struggling to cover kicks.

    Based upon the admittedly limited sample size I have seen from Lambo, I am far more likely to believe that the missed PAT yesterday was an aberration. In the preseason, the goal posts could have been only 5 yards apart and he still would have made every one of his FGAs. I have seen nothing from him that leads me to believe that he is less accurate than Novak and I have seen everything from Lambo that convinces me that he has a much more powerful leg on kickoffs.

    If a kicker misses a kick, any kick, you can always make up some hypothetical scenario in which the missed kick could have made a difference, but the argument just isn't that impressive if the person to whom you are making the argument is not convinced that the missed kick is going to be some sort of regular occurrence.
     
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  16. Dublin Bolt

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    I wouldn't necessarily be looking to minimize the miss of the PAT but I have more issues with Te'o's lack of ability than Lambo missing that PAT.
     
  17. Lance19

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    Your ability to visualize multiple alternate realities is where you blow my doors off.
    I was just talking about what actually happened, re. Lambo, yesterday.
     
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    I would of cut Brown, kept Novak JUST IN CASE, we need a sure kick, and kept lambo for the touchbacks. Dear lord, how refreshing was seeing something so simple as a touchback? EVEN THEN, they were still bringing them out past the 25.

    As for Te'O, I've never been much of a believer. Still am not.

    As for Donald Brown??? Honestly, I'm kind of fast, fairly bulky 6'1 250...I might suit up and try to walk on the Chargers...I can miss a block on scifres if that's all it takes to make the roster.
     
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  19. Blue Bolt

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    Didn't Niovak miss a PAT in preseason, or did I just imagine that? ;)
     
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    Absolutely great effort by the defense after looking dazed and confused in the first quarter. Teo may never become a pro bowler, but he was part of that defense.
     
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    You also need the nekked pics he has of the staff...
     
  22. Chaincrusher

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    Again, I have to disagree with your take.

    You are the one making up some hypothetical about how we could have lost by one point. And my point is that you can make up that same hypothetical about any missed kick. We could be up 41-0 having just scored our 6th TD of the game with 2 minutes left in the game and our kicker could miss the extra point and you could be heard saying the same thing (you know, we could have lost the game 42-41 because of that missed extra point).

    The issue is whether or not you believe that Lambo is likely to continue to miss extra points and FGs. I think his missed PAT is meaningless because a) it had no impact on the game and b) it is not likely to recur with any degree of regularity. It is going to take more than one missed PAT for me to turn on Lambo or even have the slightest concern about him. He was accurate in the preseason and he kicked butt over Novak in terms of touchbacks. I am very satisfied with his performance and give credit to our GM and coaching staff for keeping him over Novak.
     
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  23. Chaincrusher

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    Excellent point. And I would not have been concerned about his FG or PAT accuracy going forward either. But the lack of touchbacks--oof!
     
  24. Blitzy

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    I rarely agree with WindCrusher as he's an emotional windbag, but given the poor state of the STs on coverages, Lambo's touchbacks exonerated him over that PAT miss. Of course I shall remain very nervous when he is faced with a do or die long range FG, because he is not as proven as Novak was prior to his decline after Scifres was injured last year, but anyway I though t hat this thread was about how Manti sucked!!! :confused:
     
  25. Lance19

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    No, you're imagining a loss based on fictional Detroit kickoff returns.

    I'm merely pointing out that Lambo has nothing to do with the rest of the Chargers' points,
    so that the only reason that the villagers aren't coming after Lambo with torches
    for the missed PAT, is that it didn't end up costing them the game.
    Which, from Lambo's perspective, is 100% good luck. No reason not to be honest about it.

    I'm not predicting that Lambo will or won't be an upgrade from Novak...I'm merely pointing out that
    missed PATs are not trivial, so I'm not one of the ones declaring--after 1 game--that Lambo is a big upgrade.
     
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    Lance19: the ability and the leg strength to kick it out of the EZ is a big upgrade. Lambo had nothing directly to do with the points which the Chargers scored other than what he converted and didn't, but he had a major role in Detroit's field positions. I am in the camp believing that Detroit is the kind of team which could have inflicted some further damage if they had gained 1--15 yards of "cheap" field real estate.

    However you are correct about as to why Lambo is not being lynched by the mob but IIRC, the kick went back 5 more yards because of a motion violation. nevertheless a lucky charm for Lambo.
     
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    Lance, that only applies, if you choose to ignore the fact that touchbacks are at least as important as PATs.
     
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    When was it established as "fact" that touchbacks meant as much as points?

    I mean, it would be a fun argument to make, but I sure wouldn't try to quantify that opinion...
    especially since Detroit has no 2015 stats on kickoff returns.

    If some of y'all want to say that points aren't really that important, that the accuracy of our
    kicker shouldn't be an issue, okay...but it's still just a (dubious) opinion...not fact...
     
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    It is not that some of us are arguing that points are not important, but it seems that you are arguing that touchbacks are not important (which they are qualitatively) if not in a quantitative way. I remain convinced that if Detroit was given an extra 10-15 yards on those KOs, the outcome could have very well been different. What sayz you?
     
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    The odds of an offense scoring go up considerably with better starting field position. Winning the field position battle can mean ultimately winning the game.

    A little tidbit from NFL.com:

    "A very important concept that doesn't get discussed enough is the importance of field position.

    Bill Parcells always talked about winning the field position game and built teams with that as a focus.

    Parcells' premise was built on statistical research which shows that offensive drives on a long field (80 or more yards) produce a touchdown only 16 percent of the time. That's why smart coaches spend money on kickoff coverage units, and kickers and punters who can trap returners inside the 20-yard line. They also don't put their offense on a long field with careless returns.

    Parcells would think in terms of converting yards to points. For example, if your average starting position is the 30-yard line, and your opponent's average starting position is the 22-yard line, over the course of 10 possessions in a game, that's 80 yards. He considered that a difference of a touchdown, because that's approximately how many yards you would need to drive for a TD on offense."
     

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