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Medical care for illegal immigrants-

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by BFISA, Oct 20, 2006.

  1. BFISA

    BFISA Well-Known Member

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    Carrie1219 Banned Banned

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    This happens in all the bordering states of Mexico... These women, most of whom have not had prenatal care, come into the US near their due dates, show up to a Labor and Delivery Unit, drop their drawers and have a baby.... We pay for it.. The baby will be considered a citizen and you know the rest.... Don't want the looney left liberals... (not the normal ones) to start calling me a racist...as they've done on the UT GN boards.

    There has been talk of not letting Mexican woman, who look to be in their third trimester, into the US... That is all it is, talk...

    The hospitals must be benefiting big time, even small time, or they would not allow this practice to continue. We just pay for it... and are expected to think it's OK. :no:
     
  3. Boltdiehard

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    Excellent post. As far as the libs go it's only free speech if you agree with them. I live in liberal central and let me tell you MANY of them are some of the biggest racist homophobes you've ever met.
     
  4. turbo_turtle

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    My friend here in SD is a land lord and he is considered a racist because he refuses to rent to Illegals. BTW he is Black.

    Now back to the subject.

    I hate that my tax dollors are being wasted on illegal acts because that is what it is.

    I guess I am a racist. I do not want my tax dollors to go to these people that are doing the illegal thing which is this. Coming across the border having their Baby here and have us pay for the Baby, the Mother, the Father, the Sisters, the Brothers, the Cousins, the Aunts, the Uncles, the Grandfathers , the Grandmothers and their dog.

    I am sick of it but the only thing I can do is hopefully vote into office someone who cares or gives a quano about the citizens of this country not the illegals coming across the border.

    That is just my opinions.
     
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    I would not consider you a racist based on what was typed.

    Most of these people do not want to assimilate into the American culture and it is not just Mexicans. Asians sometimes try to get smuggles across the US-Canadian border up here. Mind you of the large Spanish speaking population in Florida who know very little English. I would not doubt that goes for parts of NYC too.

    Europeans, Africans and Asians immigrating to America have managed to learn English and earn an honest living. Everyone knows the says 'When in Rome... '.

    As far as I am concerned, if they do not vote or pay taxes then the illegals should not get any benefits regardless of where they are from.

    In regard to the landlord not renting to the illegals he is only doing the right thing by not harbouring them. Think of the legal complications he can get into. The illegals will be getting the juicy benefits at taxpayers expense whilst he is in jail. Now is that fair?
     
  6. BFISA

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    Some anklebiters here will call you a hater.
     
  7. BFISA

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    This thread's turnin ugly :icon_eek: :icon_mrgreen: :lol: :icon_rofl:
     
  8. turbo_turtle

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    There is more things that I do not like about the Illegal doing people is this:

    First not wanting to speak the language of this country, but forcing us to learn theirs. That drives me bat quano.

    Second health care is given to them at no cost to them what so ever, while I have to pay with my arm and leg for myself, then pay for them as well.

    They get to be seen first, while I wait to be seen, if I get to be seen at all for health care.

    My friend the Landlord he is afraid if he does not rent to illegals that he will go to jail because of the ACLU will claim that the illegals human rights are being violated. He is caught inbetween a rock and a hard place. Going to Jail for doing the right thing or go to jail for doing the wrong thing.

    Now tell me if that is not all whacked?
     
  9. Carrie1219

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    Who moi?

    I'm only a Raider H8ter despite what the ankle biters have to say... They're just jealous of my charm, wit, and intelligence. :lol: :icon_wink:
     
  10. y2craig

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    You are correct on all counts. I wish I could give more pos reps for that.

    It sucks to pay about $90/month for single coverage that covers very little whilst someone else does something illegally and gets something (total coverage) for nothing, or should I say at my expense. Basically, all of those who work and have some sort of health coverage pays twice.



    Here's a what if scenario: what if our tax money if paying for health benefits or housing for a terrorist(s) that made it into the country illegally just like any other Mexican, Cuban, Asian or other? Let the bleeding hearts pay for their own distruction unless they want another 911 to happen.
     
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    Donnie Edwards posts here?

    Is he on this forum legally?

    :icon_banana:
     
  12. BFISA

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    'Course not, you're no ankle biter!!:icon_mrgreen: :icon_toast:

    THEY know who they are!!:yes: :tdown: :icon_evil:
     
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    I have more respect for Donnie that I do the ankle biters that post here. :yes: :icon_tease:
     
  14. MasterOfPuppets

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    of course you (people from USA, I will not reffer to you as americans since America is a continent not a country) have all the right to keep illegal immigrants out, build a fence or whatever, that is your right and I am not disputing it

    But, you know what, you wont keep them out (yeah I said them, not us, I am happily employed and living in México and only visit USA) because you need immigrant workers unless you want to pay 1 million dollars for a average house or 10 dollars for a pound of tomatos so unless you do something about that you're stuck

    Your goverment only pretendes to try to keep them out to apeace (sp?) labor unions, companies, voters, et. but in reallity has to let some in to do the dirty work

    I know there are rooten apples in every ethnic, racial, national, religious, et, group, but the mayority of people that cross (illegaly) your borders do it to work hard to make a little money to send to their starving family, I know this is not your fault, but still, try to have a little compasion and see how much these people sacrifice (sometimes even their lives) to feed their families, if I can ask a favor of you, don't lump them in with terrorists
     
  15. turbo_turtle

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    Myself I would not mind paying $1,000,000 for a house or paying $10 a pound for tomatoes. It will be done legally.

    I do not have any compassion for anyone who breaks the USA's laws which illegal immigrants are.

    I pay for illegal immigrants to get free health care, while I have to also pay for myself, to include get in the back of the line for less care than they the illegal immigrants receive. Is that fair? I myself think not.

    To make things worse. I was at one time not able to get health care because the hospital I went to told me to come back the next day, to include keep coming back every day to have the privilege to be seen. The hospital front desk said that. The overload of illegal immigrants that the hospital had that day and days after had to be seen way before any citizen of this country of the USA could be seen that day and following days had the priority. The citizens of the USA had to wait in line before they had the privilege to be seen at that hospital. That time I could not keep coming back. I did not have the money to go back, just to keep waiting. I just could not pay out of my pocket just to wait day in and day out.

    Does that make me a racist because I do not have compassion for illegal immigrants?

    I think not because illegal immigrants can be any race, religion, ethnic background, economic status and anything else I have not mentioned.

    Reguardless if a person is an illegal immagrant trying to work to make money to send back home to their poor family. They are doing something illegal/wrong. I do not have compassion for that.

    If they are here legally working and sending back home money to help out their poor family then I have compassion for them because they are doing the legal/right thing.
     
  16. MasterOfPuppets

    MasterOfPuppets Charger fan since 1979

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    it doesn't and I never said it did, it does however make you a very rigid and incompasionate person (in my view at least) remember I'm not talking about people that only cross to get free health care or commit crimes, et. those a-holes can go to hell, I'm talking about very uneducated and poor people that where not as fortunate as you to be born with so may opportunities (or even as me) those people don't have the resources or the time to "get in line" and do thing legally, they need to work now to feed their family (once again that is our problem not yours) and I don't even know if there is a way to do it legally, maybe a guess worker program where the employeer can pay for their health care, who knows :icon_shrug:

    I understand your frustration about having to pay taxes for thing like health care or welfare for people that don't deserve it, just try to picture yourself in a desperate situation, no job, no money, extreme poverty, a family to feed, would you migrate to do honest hard work
    in another country even if its illegal to cross their borders, but while there you where a productive member of society without taking from it in the form of health care?, there are many people like that taht take nothing away from you, the only go, work, and send money, I know people like that

    Remeber also that your country (and also mine) was form by immigrants, and some of them (the first ones) came into an occupied territory, slaugther the residents and took over.

    Lastly, take this as a civil discussion, not as an argument even, I have no problem with anyone that thinks like you, hell even my brother in law (100% from the USA) think alike, we disagree but we get along fine :icon_toast:
     
  17. turbo_turtle

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    This is going to sound argumentative but it goes like this:

    I am being forced to pay for illegal immigrants health care. I want them to pay for their own health care. Get in line for that health care.

    I am almost being forced to speak a language that the uneducated and poor illegal immigrants themselves do not want to speak, which is English. They want me to speak theirs. That language is Spanish. The predominant illegal immigrants here in San Diego are from Mexico. I do not want to learn how to speak Spanish. I want to learn how to speak Russian. It is part of who I am. I am part Russian.

    My thought is this. Get the Mexicans educated to speak English. Japan does it. Japan has English as a requirement for their children. Mexico can do the same.

    My Great grand parents came to America for a better life than was in their Counrty. They did it legally. They wiated in line with no money, no work and very little to get into this country. They did it legally. Filling out the paperwork doing whatever America wanted them to do to become citizens. They did it legally. They became American citizens legally. No free rides for them. Even back in their old home country, other family members died because of no food or work in their Country. The ones who survived came to America to becaome citizens legally. They did it with nothing. The immigrants that want to come to America can do it with nothing with big sacrificing and no free rides. They can do it legally.

    All that is my thoughts and opinions.
     
  18. MasterOfPuppets

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    we are thought english since junior high (or middle school), actually now I think it is thought since kindergarden, the people who migrate mainly don't make it past third grade

    I agree with most of what you said but back then I believe USA made it easier to immigrate, now is a little tougher (about 9 years ago my sister who is a US citizen petition to make me a resident, I was 25, single and a college graduate, now I'm 34 and married and still waiting :icon_mrgreen:)

    Do you think that US citizens would accept the goverment giving immigrant legal access to jobs, health care, education, et. even though there are a lot of unemployed citizens to begin with?

    Here's the thing, your economy need immigrant (cheap) labor, if it didn't this problem would have been over decades ago, it can't legalize it to immigrant because 1) labor unions, et. would oppose it and 2) those now legal workers would demand the same benefits nullifing the benefit of having them in the first place, so what does your goverment do? I say they pretend to try to stop it but don't, if they wantes to really stop it they know where they work (construction, agriculture, et.) go get them and heavilly fine the companies that hire them

    and again, no worries, if you where really a racist you probably wouldn't be taking the time to discuss this with me
     
  19. turbo_turtle

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    Master of Puppets you are doing the right thing about becoming a citizen of this Country legally. I applaude and highly respect that. I hope you become a citizen of this country. You would make an excellent citizen.

    My opinion here again. I just hate free riders reguardless of the person or where they came from. I eventullay have to pay for them in some way.

    I agree with you about Workers Unions. They are in my opinoin destroyers of America.

    My problem is this as well. If we allow illegal immigrants into this country then it can also bring in Terrorists into this country, via the same route.

    On the same token. Me being way out in left field here. If we allow illegal immigrants here then we will have to eventually allow murders to do what they do which is illegal. Illegal is illegal no matter how is looked at or spun about. It is wrong and I end up paying for the wrong.

    Keeping on subject on the wrong of health care. I do not like paying for a wrong to include at times for me not being able to get the help I need because the illegal immigrant takes priority over me. I am a paying costumer. I end up paying for no health care for myself. I pay for a wrong. A wrong is a wrong all over again.

    My bottom line is LEGAL.
     
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    It shouldn't, I think we're discussing it in a very civil manner, two different points of view on a complicated subject
     
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    This whole thing just makes me sick but you should also know that in SF they give out free, better health care to homeless people and lazy gutter punks and there's a big lawsuit against CPMC for overcharging non-insured people and trying to wipe them out to cover for this. O, and they're seriously pushing for socialist health care designed to further tax my working ***:(
     
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    BTW, that thing in Escondido about passing the legislature to stop landlords from renting to illegals is the best news I've heard in a long time and it should be federal law.
     
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    do you think a landlord would ask for proof of residency to a 6'2" blond, blue-eye dude? or just the illegal looking people?

    BTW I don't think that is going to stop this thing, if you really want to stop it go after the employers and fine their asses into never hiring any illegals again.

    P.S. about tha homeless thing, free-loaders of anykind piss the hell out of me, no matter who they are (it could be my brother and it still would piss me off) :icon_evil:
     
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    No, I don't think they would. But it should be on every single application to provide proof of citizenship just like it should be for every vote or to get a drivers liscense or anything.

    Yep. I think, the whole structuring of buisiness is going to have to change. Not just stopping the hiring of illegals, but to also deal with the unions, the advancing minimum wages, the health care costs, the schools etc. There are a ton of issues that we need to take care of. Unfortunatly, the prevailing mentallity is to just tax more and more untill it becomes impossible to stay in buisiness:unsure:

    My brother is a free-loader:icon_evil:
     
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    Sorry 'bout that :icon_shrug: :icon_mrgreen:
     
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