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Mel Kiper has us drafting Jonathan Dwyer in the 1st round

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Workplay, Jan 21, 2010.

  1. Workplay

    Workplay scompl

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    Mel Kiper's mock draft: http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?5,19491,19491#msg-19491

    He'll be a difference maker, no doubt, but What about Jahvid Best? Isn't Best a better fit for us?

    Jonathan Dwyer 6-1 235lbs


    Jahvid Best 5-10 195lbs


    We could use either, but is Dwyer really a better back than Best? :icon_shrug:
     
  2. RipTheJacker

    RipTheJacker Well-Known Member

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    Yes, he is, when youre talking about the San Diego Chargers

    We already have a super quick, pass catching speed back (sproles) and need someone to play along with him. This is a RBBC league now, and combos are whats in style right now, and we really dont have that right now.

    Dwyer+Sproles>Best+Sproles

    Dont get me wrong, i love Best and would be happy with us picking him (as long as his concussion isnt an issue long term), but think we need a power back to go WITH sproles, not replace him
     
  3. Workplay

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    St. Louis Rams
    Record: 1-15

    Namukong Suh, DT, Nebraska

    Nobody questions that the top need for the Rams is a quarterback. But unless St. Louis trades down -- an extremely difficult proposition on multiple levels -- they shouldn't take a quarterback here. Suh is maybe the most dominating player at his position that I've seen in 32 years of doing this. He can be effective immediately for the Rams.


    Detroit Lions
    Record: 2-14

    Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma

    Getting McCoy both fits a big need for the Lions and is an extraordinarily good consolation prize for ny team unable to get Suh. McCoy makes his living in the opponents' backfield, and is such a talent he could have landed in this position last year had he declared as a redshirt sophomore.


    Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Record: 3-13

    Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee

    This is a very high position to see a safety go off the board, but Berry is that kind of talent. A player compared often, but not unfairly to Ed Reed, Berry is a difference-making safety headed to a league that has seen those types (Reed, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders) become more and more notable in recent years.


    Washington Redskins
    Record: 4-12

    Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma

    Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here that may have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection, when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


    Kansas City Chiefs
    Record: 4-12

    Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State

    I think the Chiefs could use help at safety as well, but Berry likely won't fall this far, and they'd be reaching on either of two other safeties with a first round grade. Okung could solve two problems, making him a good value. He can step in at LT and allow the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert to the right side. A pick that can pay immediate dividends for the Chiefs.


    Seattle Seahawks
    Record: 5-11

    Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia TechMany in Seattle will view the offensive line as a greater need, but Morgan fills another huge hole for a team that simply couldn't get to the quarterback in 2009. He represents great value because he can rush the passer, is productive against the run and can even drop back -- a versatile talent. Pete Carroll knows defense and should love what Morgan can offer.


    Cleveland Browns
    Record: 5-11
    Joe Haden*, CB, FloridaI'm not convinced the Browns will be willing to draft a quarterback simply because the position is unsettled. In Haden they can't go wrong with by far the top CB on the board, a player who they can plug in from day one. A deft cover corner and great tackler, Haden is the complete package.


    Oakland Raiders
    Record: 5-11

    Anthony Davis*, OT, RutgersDavis may not yet be the most complete tackle in the first round, but he is the most naturally gifted and should get better. Great feet, ideal size and he has the ability to maul defenders in the run game. After a whiff in the first round last year, the Raiders address a big need here.


    Buffalo Bills
    Record: 6-10

    Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre DamePeople will debate the merits of Clausen long after he shakes the commissioner's hand, but he has continued to improve, showed toughness, has an NFL arm and perhaps most importantly, has experience under center in a pro-style offense. That was a key for Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez and is a huge consideration for scouts.


    Denver Broncos (from Chicago)
    Record: 7-9

    Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma StateIn all likelihood, Brandon Marshall is headed elsewhere, so the Broncos here attempt to fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12. He represents an immediate weapon in the passing game.


    Jacksonville Jaguars
    Record: 7-9

    Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South FloridaThis is no place to draft a guy like Tim Tebow just to sell tickets. Pierre-Paul is local enough, and could be the Mario Williams of this draft class, a raw talent, but one with remarkable athleticism and an incredible burst off the line. Could be a terror for QBs in the future.


    Miami Dolphins
    Record:7-9

    Rolando McClain*, LB, AlabamaA potential home run for Miami, who needs an inside linebacker, and could get the best one in the whole draft after the top ten. The Dolphins you could also see go after Bryant if he were to fall to them here.


    San Francisco 49ers
    Record: 8-8

    Trent Williams, OT, OklahomaI consider the right tackle position a big need for the 49ers, and getting Williams here should strengthen them immediately both in the run game and as they look to further develop a potentially dangerous passing game with Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.


    Seattle Seahawks (from Denver)
    Record: 5-11

    C.J. Spiller, RB, ClemsonHe's not an offensive lineman, but Spiller could be a Reggie Bush-like option for the Seahawks. For a coach uniquely familiar with what Bush can do, Spiller is a missing home run threat in the run game, a good receiver and a valuable returner. He has elite speed.


    New York Giants
    Record: 8-8

    Carlos Dunlap*, DE, FloridaThis is a high value pick for the Giants, who I feel have had their depth on the defense line overstated. There are makeup questions surrounding Dunlap, but for much of the year he was considered the premier pass rusher in the college game. He has the potential to be like a Jevon Kearse.


    San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina)
    Record: 8-8

    Earl Thomas*, S, TexasThe 49ers need help in pass coverage, and Thomas fits because he's a great value here, whereas reaching for a CB at No. 16 wouldn't represent good value at all. Thomas isn't a huge guy, but can cover a tremendous amount of real estate.


    Tennessee Titans
    Record: 8-8

    Everson Griffen*, DE, USCPierre-Paul likely won't fall this far, so the Titans get a gifted underclassmen that looked like a pro coming out of high school who is now living up to his potential. He already has an NFL frame, and when Griffen is consistent, he's a strong pass rusher.


    Pittsburgh Steelers
    Record: 9-7

    Bryan Bulaga*, OT, IowaPittsburgh clearly needs help up front if they want to return to power running and protecting the quarterback, and Bulaga is an emerging tackle with great feet from a pro-style system. They improve immediately, and he wears the black and gold well already.


    Atlanta Falcons
    Record: 9-7

    Sergio Kindle, OLB, TexasThe Falcons could use some help at OLB, and Kindle's continued improvement throughout the season is appealing. He's not quite in the class of Brian Orakpo, but he's a similar type of player, and has also proven to be very physical.


    Houston Texans
    Record: 9-7

    Brian Price*, DT, UCLAPrice is hidden away a bit in such a deep class of defensive lineman, but he's a disruptive force who utilizes great leverage. He should add depth to an improving defense.


    Cincinnati Bengals
    Record: 10-6

    Aaron Hernandez*, TE, FloridaThey need to give Carson Palmer options in the passing game aside from what's there, and Hernandez is the most athletic TE available, a guy with surprising run-after-catch ability. The favorite target of Tebow at Florida, he could offer immediate help in the passing game.


    New England Patriots
    Record: 10-6

    Ricky Sapp, OLB, ClemsonThe Patriots clearly need help when it comes to getting to opposing quarterbacks, and Sapp is an ideal fit on the edge in the 3-4. He's the kind of athlete that can adjust to being upright and flat out knows how to get to the quarterback.


    Green Bay Packers
    Record: 11-5

    Taylor Mays, S, USCIf you told Green Bay they could get Mays at No. 23 overall in August, they'd have been thrilled. An extraordinary athlete, Mays may have suffered against expectations, but the Pack hit a home run with Clay Matthews Jr. out of USC last year and Mays both fills a need and has great potential.


    Philadelphia Eagles
    Record: 11-5

    Navorro Bowman*, OLB, Penn StateThe Eagles have a need for an athletic OLB, and they get a lot of value by landing Bowman here. Bowman lacks size, but any parsing on measurables can't overcome his great play on film. Could end up as the best at his position in this class.


    Baltimore Ravens
    Record: 9-7

    Jermaine Gresham*, TE, OklahomaGresham is so good that while he sat out his junior year, I left him on the Big Board the whole time. Now healthy, he's a great find this late in the first and a perfect target for Joe Flacco as an heir to Todd Heap. At a hair over 6-6 and 262 pounds, he's the total package at TE.


    Arizona Cardinals
    Record: 10-6

    Dan Williams, DT, TennesseeI see this position as the second-biggest need for the Cardinals and Williams is a great value here. Tremendously strong in the lower body, Williams is a disruptive force against the run.


    Dallas Cowboys
    Record: 11-5

    Bruce Campbell*, OT, MarylandJerry Jones knows he needs to address the tackle position after the debacle he witnessed against Minnesota in the playoffs and Campbell, while still learning, is a tremendous talent at this position.


    San Diego Chargers
    Record: 13-3

    Jonathan Dwyer*, RB, Georgia TechWith the possible departure of LaDainian Tomlinson on the horizon, Dwyer represents the player that can handle 20-plus carries in an offense that already has a great speed-back in Darren Sproles. Dwyer has ideal size and also shows explosiveness.



    New York Jets
    Record: 9-7

    Golden Tate*, WR, Notre DameThe Jets must give Mark Sanchez some weapons in the passing game, and while Tate has question marks on his ability to separate, he's more physical than many think and has always been a playmaker. In the mold of a Laveranues Coles.


    Minnesota Vikings
    Record: 12-4

    Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida StateNeed meets value here. Robinson is the second-best corner in the draft and Minnesota should be happy to grab him this late. Robinson has the chance to step in and contribute.


    New Orleans Saints
    Record: 13-3

    Jared Odrick, DT, Penn StateOdrick is an ideal pick here for the Saints, who are looking to add stability to the rush defense. His presence helped standout LBs Bowman and Sean Lee run free, and the Saints will ask for the same.


    Indianapolis Colts
    Record: 14-2

    Brandon Graham, DE, MichiganGraham was a one-man show for the Wolverines, leading the nation in tackles for loss. Always in the backfield, he's a guy that can learn under master pass-rushers in Indy and build on the tradition.

    * - Draft eligible junior/redshirt sophomore
     
  4. BoltsFanUK

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    Dwyer is an excellent back no doubt but I think we could draft Terrence Cody and be able to pick up Lagarrette Blount in a later round perhaps.

    We could draft Dwyer in the first then Cody in the second if we trade up using Cro and our pick
     
  5. boltsnow

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    Hmmmm, noticed he is wearing number 21. If we did get him and LT ain't on the team.......guess his number would get too cold. :icon_eek:

    :popcorn:
     
  6. affraydoh

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    Just curious and not being sarcastic....when was the last time Mel Kiper guessed our pick right?
     
  7. ynnoj

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    Dayum. I'll take THAT draft right there! :tup:
     
  9. BoltsFanUK

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    We don't need Mcknight though- he's like Sproles- we need a RB who can compliment him- not replace him
     
  10. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    No nose tackles or beef? Not very fond of that idea

    and with all do respect what precisely has Joe McKnight done to deserve a 2nd?

    Edit: We take a NT from East Carolina in the 4th; isn't that hte same philosophy that got us in trouble in hte first place?
     
  11. BoltsFanUK

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    Like i said Loren- I'd either like to take Dwyer or Cody in the first and then trade back into the second round and use Cro and our 2nd round pick to get the other one who is still there
     
  12. PowderLove

    PowderLove Former Mod, Current Slacker

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    My guess for the Chargers pick is some guy that will leave us all scratching our heads, and eventually watching their game tape over and over until most of us end up saying, "they have a lot of potential."
     
  13. CoronaDoug

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    Hopefully AJ gives us a great suprise and drafts Matt Bosher!
     
  14. MasterOfPuppets

    MasterOfPuppets Charger fan since 1979

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    the Chargers have a lot of good RFA who will be tendered, some will bring draft picks, hopefully not VJ
     
  15. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Never to my memory. Which is good because I'm not a Jonathan Dwyer fan.

    The point is we need a RB, and I agree with him 100% that we should pick one early.
     
  16. Shabba

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    Not a massive fan of taking any RB in the first if Williams or Cody are still available. I like the idea of taking one in the 2nd, using Cro as a bit of bait. Obviously dependant on who is available, but I wouldn't mind Ryan Matthews from Frenso, assuming your Spillers, Bests and Dwyers have gone.

    My only issue with trading Cro is depth at CB.
     
  17. foober

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    We need to improve the d-line the most. If a guy like cody is there I don't see how we could pass him up. I believe we could get a good rb in the 2nd or 3rd round. Its all gonna come down to who is there when we pick at I believe pick 28 now.
     
  18. Alpenbolt

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    If Mays is on the board you have to take him no? Seems like the perfect compliment to Weddle.

    I am feeling a little better about our Dline and Oline than at this point last year. I think some of the young guys played pretty decently down the stretch. But that 2nd still has to be beef.

    We can pick up a decent back in the latter rounds.
     

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