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mock draft

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by charger1993, Feb 17, 2014.

  1. MtlBoltsFan

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    One of the worst mock drafts I've seen, the only acceptable selections are Gabe Jackson and Aaron Colvin.

    This is the MTL mock based on NFLDRAFTSCOUT and CBSsports projected availability as of 02/24/14

    I will update my mock multiple times as they modify their rankings continually.

    1 - Kyle Van Noy, DE/OLB, BYU (ranked #38)
    2 - Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech (ranked #59)
    3 - Jared Abbrederis, WR, Wisconsin (ranked #98)
    4 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon State (ranked #122)
    5 - Chris Watt, OG, Notre Dame (ranked #151)
    6 - Matt Patchan, OT, Boston College (ranked #196)
    7 - Damian Copeland, WR, Louisville (ranked #553)
    7comp - Darrin Reaves, RB, UAB (ranked #723)


    Best Regards,

    MTL
     
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  2. MtlBoltsFan

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    We could give Joe D a 59 year old Robert Gallery and he would turn him into a pro bowler.

    That said Troutman is a turnstile and so is Clary. We need to sign at least one guard in FA and draft another. I wouldn't doubt any OG that the Chargers bring in because Joe D is a miracle worker and turned King Dunlap who was a turnstile in Philly and Fluker who was a turnstile at Alabama into great pass protectors even though Fluker wasn't able to clean up his struggles against inside moves.

    Late round guys that could eventually compete for a job include Spencer Long, Dakota Dozier and Austin Wentworth. All need technique work. Earlier guys that can step in right away you're looking at Zack Martin who can transition easily, Chris Watt, Gabe Jackson and possibly Joel Bitonio if he can transition quickly to guard which will be a new position. Xavier Sua Filo's tape is dogshit and Cyril Richardson is horrible. Yankey should find a home somewhere.
     
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    Just for the record Ryan Carrethers is dogshit and undraftable by MTL standards........ I don't even have him as a priority free agent.
     
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    I like Van Noy, but I don't know if I'd take him at 25. I see him as a SOLB only and Ingram looks like he'll occupy that role once Jarrett Johnson is cut or sees out his contract. Van Noy is definitely one of the most pro ready LB's though, which we need on this defense.

    I like Fuller and Reynolds a lot, I'm assuming you have us cutting Cox then if we're taking two CB's? I'm on the fence with Abbrederis, he's a real excellent route runner and can get separation, but his frame worries me, 4 reps on the bench press is quite ridiculous even though he's 195, no excuse. Believe he has a history of concussions too if I'm not wrong.

    Patchan is raw. But, in a good way. Joe D can certainly help there. Believe he fits the power-zone we can run. But again, another player with an checkered injury past.

    If we're looking for WR's in the 7th I like Willie Snead and Eric Ward there.
     
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    Was never a fan of Carrethers, I like Kerr and Ellis at NT, Kerr probably my favorite. I've heard some talk that some believe Jernigan can play the the nose, intriguing to me, because he can clog the middle.
     
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    Kerr is interesting but Ellis looks like crap on tape. Ultimately though hoping that Kerr turns into a good-great NFL nose tackle is asking a lot from him. It would be a new position and he looks like a better fit in a 4-3. That said as a raw guy to mold I like him in the late rounds more than anyone else. Jernigan has more power to stack at the point of attack but his technique is inconsistent and he doesn't seem to have the temperament to be a nose tackle.
     
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    I actually agree with this pretty much. I'm not a huge fan of Chris Watt, though i haven't seen a ton of him. Wentworth looked awful at LT the few games i've watched of him, but fresno state's OT assignments are strange, ive heard he has solid tape as a OG from last year so i'll have to go back and watch that.

    I like Yankey, but i'm also interested in Cam Flemming, and a possible transition to RG. While he does have the feet/length to play outside IMO, in Joe D's system, where he prefers more agile guards who can block on the move, and his preference is usually ones that come from high pedigree OL schools (like Wiscy, or at least it seems that way), i could see him being a good fit in the mid rounds at OG.

    Also look into Ryan Groy as an OG, and converted OT. Plays in a scheme similar to Joe D's already, and is one of those guys who may not ever be great, but is just going to be solid in whatever he does. I'd add him to that group of Long and Wentworth (i think Dozier goes earlier, 3rd or so).
     
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    I'd be fine with Kerr in the mostly 1 gap NT position we've played with. If Nix isn't there in the 1st, we're gonna have to get creative in how we find a NT (that is if we bank on the draft to get us a NT). I'm also real interested in seeing how Jerideau works out next year. He seems like one of those guys who could develop into a real nice NT. Has the skill set and work ethic (or so it seems) and definitely flashed at SCAR, but his play was so inconsistent that it killed his value.
     
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    Lay off the crack pipe lil buddy

    Martavis Bryant had one MODERATELY productive year this year for Clemson because of INJURIES where he was forced into the lineup and makes a few plays with Sammy Watkins drawing all the attention and you want to draft him in the 3rd round? LOL

    Bryant wasn't even good enough to see the field in a starting role his entire career at Clemson and you think he's going to be an eventual NFL starter? lmao

    Shembo is a lil midget 6'1 rush linebacker who hardly made any plays at Notre Dame and is atrocious in pass coverage and you think we should draft him? We already have enough backup rush linebackers and Shembo will probably only stick in the NFL if he devotes himself to special teams because he sucks dic.

    Carrethers has no functional strength, he made tons of GARBAGE TACKLES in a ****** conference and routinely gets blown off the line of scrimmage by mediocre college olinemen.

    If you think Kyle Van Noy is a career backup and Fuller can't cover just go kill yourself now, thanks.

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    fuller cant cover anyone even with a cushion. Shembo is no slouch hes great against the run, and 6 ft 1 isnt short von miller 6ft2, lavonte david might be 6ft. Height doesnt determine if ur gonna be a star. I can rattle HOF who are short for their position. Bryant isnt polished nor is her elite but he has talent.he could be a starter i never claimed he was a dayone starter. Van noy is extremely over rated he might become a starter but hes not going to be th pass rusher people are thinking... Further more i wish ud stop trolling be a famous football writer in CANADA is just like writing for bleacher report. Plus canada gets americas left overs. N if theyre good they leave for he nfl first chance given
     
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    I'll openly admit straight from the jump that I don't know half as much as most of you guys around here, but I would certainly be disappointed with Van Noy in the first round.

    MTL you probably know more about Van Noy than I do, but what is it you like about him so much? You've listed him as 38th ranked prospect, but you'd pick him at 25, so you must see something good with him?

    Charger1993 has Roby as his pick, you've called that "one of the worst mock drafts you've seen", but in his defense I'd say Roby has a higher potential than Van Noy does. Roby could become a very good corner, Van Noy doesn't have the athleticism to be an elite pass rusher in my view.
     
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    Bottom line is, our defense needs more athletes and pro-ready players.

    Roby is an athlete, but has a very good skill set for the CB position and Van Noy is pro-ready. He could of came out last year and been a top 100 pick. I don't know if Van Noy is a fit in the 3-4, seem more like a 4-3 LB then anything, but then again I could see him develop in a 3-4, problem is who's going to develop him? Under Pagano, we just haven't really developed solid starters, more inconsistent starters then anything and that could be because of his scheme.

    You look on the offensive side of the ball and our scheme was adjusted to our players and talent we had available. Offensive side is years ahead of the offensive side of the ball in terms of a coaching staff.

    Louis Nix isn't worth it a 25 IMO. Don't even know if he makes it there, GB might jump on him. He has the ceiling of a player similar to Wilfork, but again, he's coming off injury and we had a heavy rotation a long the DL this year. Lissemore did a great job, we have unknowns in Geathers and Jerideau, I think you sign a NT in FA to plug in and play or to have depth behind Lissemore and see where Geathers and Jerideau end up in their development.
     
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    thats what im saying, i like roby cause hes quick twitch, gets to the ball, and isnt afraid to hit someone. hed be good value. while theres other players o would take, none will fall now cuz of their combine. Van noy ive never been a fan, hes very limited in his pass rush skill.
     
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    honestly nix, aaron donald, and the dt tackle from minnesota wont ever see us, theyll be gone before pick 25, theres not many prospects left, no OLB worth a first. Gilbert will gone thank gone, dennard will be gone, the bpa left would be roby and tuitt
     
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    I do think Roby is a better pick than Van Noy or Tuitt, but in general, it kinda upsets me that we could spend yet another first rounder on CB, does anyone else feel the same about this?

    That being said, if he is BPA I don't have a problem with it, I just think a small part of me begrudges the wasted AJ picks of past corners.
     
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    its not ideal. But a mjority of the olb dl and ots will be gone. Were honestly looking at the dt from minnesota, roby fulle, tuitt, van nou. Out of those players id take roby.
     
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    I think there's a good chance Nix will still be there at 25. D Jeremiah post combine mock has us selecting Verrett, and then Nix going after us to the 49ers(I think...). If the board looked like that with Dennard, Roby, and Gilbert all gone I'd prefer we pick Nix over Verrett. I don't see Verrett being a starter on the outside, definitely not the first year. In the slot, yes. But why when we have Steve Williams who performed better in every single category at the combine Last yr then Verrett, and we got him the 5th round! I'd say wait to see what Williams has got first before using a 1st on another potential nickle corner.

    Not to mention I think Nix would instantly improve Reyes and Liugets production. Which would mean better pass rush, and then better pass protection.

    What it ultimately boils down to is who TT and co like better at 25. Who there bpa is. Last year it was Fluker. Everyone on here chastised him for it and said it was a reach. Fluker instantly improved our team this year, no question about it. He is looking to be the best OT of his class. If its Verrett, great, I'll have an open mind. I have full trust in TT.
     
  19. The LBC

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    TBH, there are very few prospects I feel comfortable saying 100% won't be there at 25, that just speaks to A) THe depth and diversity of this draft class and B) the fact that mocks rarely account for GM "stupidity" for lack of a better term (but every year there are at least two GM's that pull the DERP! picks - we had the guy that did it at least once with the great Larry English - and pick someone waaay outside of where the media projects them to go), and C) because trades can turn projections of who falls and who doesn't on their ear at a moment's notice.

    I feel comfortable saying Clowney won't make it to us. Same with Robinson and Gilbert (too high a ceiling, there are always GM's that are so "upside" and "H/W/S" obsessed that those guys get snagged higher than conservative projections have them). Same can be said for Sammy Watkins, Jake Matthews, and Mike Evans. Past that, there's really no sure-fire bet than any of the other guys couldn't fall to us. Unlikely, sure, but nothing close to concrete.

    Barr is much more raw than people give him credit for - and while that didn't stop a team last year (where Miami even traded up to #3 overall) with Dion Jordan - last year's draft class also lacked the high-ceiling/floor pass-rusher that this year's has. Mack has pretty much hit his ceiling - yes, he'll get stronger, but based off of his style of play it's not really going to impact his play that much - that will appeal to some teams, but lack of upside over present level will deter some as well when talking high 1st round picks. Dennard has short arms and some technical holes in his game that need fixing - so it's possible he could take a tumble. There's no straight-up standout safety in this class and safeties in the league at this point are almost so scheme-dictated (in terms of what traits you're looking for to fit your team) that it really depends on who among the safety-needy teams covets some great fit that badly. Donald despite fantastic workouts and tape will still get slapped with the "undersized" label by some clubs - he shouldn't... I'd contend he's the best pure pass-rusher in this class in terms of ceiling/floor combo, but he will. Nix is still coming off of significant knee surgery (meniscus work is nothing light), and is going to be heavily scrutinized - and have the amount of talent he played with held over his head. Lewan has noteworthy character concerns - and if anyone actually studies the tape he's not nearly as flexible as would be preferred. At least 3 QB's are getting selected in the Top 15.

    I'll admit, there's a part of me that half expects TT to make some pick that I'll (and I won't be alone) be scratching my head as to the immediate fit - and putting trust that the coaching staff has something in mind even though it may seem against the grain - something like Ryan Shazier as a 3-4 OLB (despite the fact that he hasn't shown much in terms of block-shedding).
     
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    I would Also put jonas mouton on that list of derp picks.
     
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    Well, yeah, but the 2nd round is far more rife with them in general than the 1st is. And even then, there are also "DERP!" picks that end up looking pretty damn good in hindsight, but are still - at the time of selection - viewed as the selection of a guy "rated lower" and "who would have been available later."

    Just in the 1st round the last several years we have (and mind you, yes, the media was lagging a bit on some of these guys, but they still went well higher than projected):

    2013: DJ Hayden, Justin Pugh (arguable, was a late 1st/early 2nd tweener for a lot of people), Kyle Long, Travis Frederick, Sylvester Williams
    2012: Bruce Irvin, Shea McClellin, Whitney Mercilus, Kevin Zeitler, AJ Jenkins
    2011: Christian Ponder, Danny Watkins, James Carpenter
    2010: Tyson Alualu, Kareem Jackson, Tim Tebow
    2009: Darrius Heywad-Bey, Larry English, Clay Matthews (was pretty much seen as a consensus 2nd rounder at the time)
     
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    Ya I was more referring to fact that although Mouton was a 2nd round pick, most people I knew had a late 4th to mid 5th round grade. I remember hearing his name called and going wtf?!?!
     
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    The other thing to note that people forget very quickly was that the 2nd biggest derp pick immediately post draft was seen as Stevan Ridley. There's plenty of derp picks that work out very well.

    But i'm kind of curious as to what we're going to do with our first pick as well. I have a feeling that we're going to seriously consider Attaochu. After watching about 5 games of him today, i've been very impressed. I had some reservations about him before, but the more i watched of him, the more and more he showed that those were more isolated mistakes rather than the norm (specifically leverage issues). One thing i found interesting with him was that his leverage issues came mostly from coming out of a 3 point stance too upright, while he almost never had problems keeping leverage when rushing out of a standup. Definitely a better 34 Backer than a DE. But he'd be in a great situation with us, having a year to be a pass rush specialist, work on using his hands and developing more lower body strength, and come in as our rush backer of the future when JJ/Freeney are no longer on the team. One thing i found interesting with him, is that it seemed like he knew his opponent really well. Especially noticeable vs Virginia. The freshman RT couldn't handle his speed, so all the did was speed rush or speed rush and redirect back inside after using his burst upfield to get the OT off balance. Then on the left side, going up vs Moses, he knew he couldn't beat his length off the edge, and immediately tried to get under his pads and play off of that. I'd have no problem picking him in the 1st round now (kind of reminds me of how Irvin was viewed as a 3rd rounder when he got picked 15th overall).

    Beyond that, Nix is a good pick if he falls, he's another guy i'd be excited about. I'm not a huge fan of many of these CB's in the 1st. Dennard is the only 1st round CB i feel even has a shot to be the best value on the board. Verrett is an option, but with his size i would prefer to wait to see if he's there in the 2nd, and there's so much 2nd/3rd round talent at CB that it might be worth waiting regardless. Zach Martin really interests me, but I like the way that LBC put it, that if we're going to invest in a 1st round OG, i want their long term future to be at C and not at OG unless they're truly elite.

    A couple of guys who i could see as kind of "out of nowhere" picks, are Brandon Cooks, Odell Beckham, Morgan Moses, (LBC mentioned Shazier already), a TE like Amero or ASJ or even a guy who doesn't have a great fit like Aaron Donald, or a guy like Joyner who's just a football player.
     
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    I love Nix, believe he'd fit right in here, but with his knee injury, some inconsistencies in tape, and also our heavy rotation on the DL what makes people think he'd come in and dominate? He played with Stephon Tuitt and also last year with Kapron Lewis-Moore.

    At best he's a 2-down player. I'd rather sign a NT in FA, seeing how the NT market is considerably cheap and draft and develop one in the later round. We already have Lissemore, who came in and played extremely well, and also unknowns in Jerideau and Geathers.

    I think we certainly have to upgrade the pass rush. Once Pagano started to get creative in his blitz schemes, and also players like Johnson and Ingram returning from injury, did anybody notice our DB's actually started to play better? I don't think the NT position is the answer to the pass rush like some are anticipating.
     
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    The only appeal to nailing down what would, hopefully (have to say hopefully because very rarely do you see a guy make the jump straight from college to starting 0-tech in the NFL), be an immediate starting caliber NT in the draft would be that because we'd have the 5th-year option given to 1st round picks, we'd have much more flexibility to be able to devote good chunks of cap to extending both Liuget and Reyes, whereas it might not be feasible unless we have a long-term solution under 2+ years of rookie deal remaining when we extend them... even with the cap going up.

    The question is how much does the rate at which we rotate our DL in games make it less necessary to have a definitive starting three... though when push comes to shove and games need to be decided, you'd ideally like to have no doubt about which 3 guys you want in there on that line. This is our quandary.
     
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    I don't think anyone is looking at Nix as the answer to our pass rush problems. But with Te'o and Butler on board it seems we're firmly committed to the 3-4, and a great NT is huge in that setup. Let's also not forget that the Chargers were 31st in the league against the run last year per football outsiders.
     
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    Not big on them, but wouldn't be surprised if we took Marquise Lee or Allen Robinson at 25, both in pro-ready offenses.
     
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    Yeah, I want no part of Robinson in the 1st (or 2nd) - guy doesn't even crack my Top 10 receivers in this class. He has concentration issues, is stiff in and our of his breaks, doesn't have great straight-line speed. The guy is, though I hate generalizing this much, the standard-fare Penn State possession receiver.

    People, especially the fans that listen to the major draft pundits (like Mayock, McShay, and Kiper) put too much of a premium on size. Ability to get separation and to "get open" is a far greater asset than size - any QB worth his salt will carve up opposing defenses much easier with guys whose strength is getting open than guys whose strength is "being big." That said, after Watkins and Evans, unless Marquise Lee comes with some kind of warranty or injury-insurance, I'd sooner spend that 1st on Beckham Jr., Cooks, or even Jordan Matthews before Robinson.

    Heck, as a prospect for prospect in term of who I consider to be more valuable, I'll take Jared Abbrederis all day over Robinson. For guys with somewhat similar long-speed, one understands the nuances of technical play, route-running, and has far superior feet and coordination thus has shown a much more consistent ability to get open and beat coverage than the other.
     
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    Like I said not big on them, but they come from programs that run pro-ready offenses, and I just wouldn't be surprised if I heard their names called.

    Again, love Beckham and Cooks. Extremely underrated, now that the combine has rolled around, experts are starting to peg them higher.
     
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    So my current 1st round mock, I have SF trading up to our spot, and getting their #77th overall pick (3rd round). Here's how it shaked out,

    30* - CB - Jason Verrett - Best corner in the draft, will get knocked for his height, but I have no problem with this pick.
    57 - OLB - Jeremiah Attaochu - One of the best 3-4 LB's in this draft, all around player, will get a 'redshirt' year.
    77* - OL - Joel Bitonio - Can play both interior positions, and both tackle positions, versatile, plays with a mean streak.
    89 - WR - Josh Huff - Perfect fit in this offense, can get vertical as well and makes great body adjustments to the ball.
    121 - OLB - Aaron Lynch - The measurables and potential he flashes makes me want to roll the dice on him.
    153 - OL - John Urschel - Eventually moving to center, extremely intelligent and great feel for the game.
    185 - CB - Aaron Colvin - Will be IR'd, but, worth the wait. Especially in 2015 where we have 2 CB's as FA's.
    217 - RB - Jerome Smith - Great in pass pro, good vision and hands.
     

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