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#Mock1v2 Results

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by AnteaterCharger, Apr 19, 2014.

  1. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    So I joined a mock draft on twitter (if you want to see the full results go here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...URQVWdTOHBZQlFldEE&f=true&noheader=true&gid=3) where myself and three others were the GMs for the Chargers. I'm curious to see what everyone's take is on our haul.

    We traded out of the first round w/Atlanta and got their 2nd, 4th & 6th round picks.

    37. SD (from ATL)Gabe Jackson, G, MSUThe Chargers showed what kind of offense they can be with a good OL. Jackson replaces the one weakness at RG, and will play with Fluker for years to come. Combined w Rhinehart, Dunlap and Hardwick, the Chargers now have the best OL in the AFC West and can run/pass with ease.

    Jeromey Clary - there's the door. Him & Fluker on the right side is scary good.

    57. SDCody Latimer, WR, IULast year the Bolts struck gold with Keenan Allen, now he gets a running mate. Lattimer has fantastic ability to stretch the field, is a YAC monster and gets consistent separation. He will make a deadly addition to a potent Bolts offense

    Don't be surprised if he isn't a pick at this spot or the Chargers don't decide to go WR at this spot in the draft. Lattimer is flying up the boards but if available in the 2nd the Chargers should grab him. A great compliment to KA.

    89. SDPhillip Gaines, CB, RiceClearly the Chargers need CB help. Gaines is a talented and fast off-man cover specialist. His instincts, competitive nature ball hawking ability and determination, as well as his experience, will make him a valuable member of the secondary & a potential starter.

    He's an off-man corner with great speed and good hands. I'm not as high on him as others are but he has amazing talent.

    103. SD (from ATL)Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon StateThe Chargers double dip at CB out of necessity. Reynolds is an unheralded CB rated very highly by teammates and opponents alike. His instincts, zone awareness and smooth athletic ability gives him #1 CB potential, his work habits &maturity means he could be one soon.

    I'd be a little surprised if the Chargers don't double dip at Cornerback and Reynolds is one of the best but unheard of corners in the draft.

    125. SDJackson Jeffcoat, EP, TexasEven with Ingram, Freeney and Johnson returning healthy, the team needs to add more pass rushers in a division with Peyton Manning. Jeffcoat has great speed, bend and excellent bloodlines along with a fantastic work ethic. His production is also outstanding at UT.

    Literally the last named pass rusher on the board. Reminds me of Shaun Phillips in play and work ethic (don't know about his interest in Stingaree).

    165. SDDaniel McCullers, NT, TennesseeThe Chargers have an undersized NT in Sean Lissenmore starting. Now they get a 6'8 360lb rock to anchor their line.

    Literally the last real NT left on the board. Not my favorite player but he was it and you can't teach his size.

    182. SD (from ATL)Ed Stinson, DE, AlabamaMore defensive line depth is needed for the 3-4. Stinson is experienced as a 3-4 end with impressive power, bulk and will not move from his position. He also brings great special teams value.

    I'm a big fan of Stinson - he is one of those guys that just plays well and plays hard in the 3-4 without demanding extra attention. Besides if Lissenmore is now a full time NT, we need a back up besides Guy.

    201. SDKa'Deem Carey, HB, ArizonaThe Chargers have plenty of running backs but Carey is far too good to pass up. A complete back in all facets lacking only that second gear. He could be the steal of the draft.

    Just too good to pass up, I know we have a three headed monster but if he falls this far down I'd grab him up immediately. He's a fantastic all around value.

    240. SDRussell Bodine, C, UNCEnding as we begun, with the OL. Bodine is versatile and effective and will replace C N.Hardwick next year. Light on his feet, alert with a fierce mentality and surprising quickness and mobility, Bodine is a great understudy to Hardwick. Combined with G. Jackson & DJ Fluker, the Chargers have their right side set.

    We needed a center still, I'm surprised he fell this far down when a lot of people rate him very highly. Think he's a fine addition and could also double in the "Ohrnberger" role
     
  2. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    Not enough to fall 13 spots and out of the 1st round. JMO.

    I'd take their 2nd, 3rd, and maybe another pick next year.
     
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  3. Lance19

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    Is that all?
    Ditka woulda thrown in more!!
     
  4. ssnake86

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    I dont like what you got for the trade down. There has to be a 2nd and 3rd round pick in there for that to even be considered IMO. Since there loosing a pick in the first round all together. In your scenario they basically swap a 1st for a 2nd, and in additon they get a 4th and 6th? How would that be worth it? The ideal scenario would be a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and a mid round pick next year. At the very least I would take a 2nd, 3rd, and a 4th/5th though. Its not worth it to trade out of the frist round and only aquire one additional pick(2nd and 3rd). Id rather have the 1st round talent. Unless a worst case scenario occured where every player the Chargers valued as 1st round talent on their board went ahead of 25.
     
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  5. Blitzy

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    You need to familiarize yourself with the NFL Draft Value Chart. What seems "ideal" to you, just does not add up in the math tabulation.
     
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  6. ssnake86

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    Ok. Well after familiarizing myself with it. Our pick is worth a value of 720, and in return we got 636.6. Not worth it. For us to be willing to give our first round pick away it should be something greater than 720pts based on that chart.
     
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    Huh?! I am referring to the article with the Jags as a trading partner. Are we on the same page?

    Order of Jaguar picks:

    Round 1 (3)
    Round 2 (39) ... 510 points
    Round 3 (70) ... 240 points
    Round 4 (105) ... 84 points
    Round 4 (114), from Baltimore ... 66 points
    Round 5 (144)
    Round 5 (150), from Detroit
    Round 5 (159), from Baltimore
    Round 6 (179)
    Round 6 (205), from San Francisco
    Round 7 (222)


    For picks # 39 and # 70, I get 750 points.
     
  8. Blitzy

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    OK, I see the problem! I'm in the wrong frigging thread! :D

    The Jags are the most likely trading partner, not ATL.
     
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  9. ssnake86

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    Yes you are. In this trade with the falcons with get there 2nd, 4th, and 6th. It blows. I would rather go with the other trade described in the other thread where its just a 2nd and 3rd. One less pick but seems better and like you demonstrated the calculator agrees. But honestly IMO unless all the players we wanted were taken before us I would still not like that trade either. I know the calculator says were getting slightly better value by trading the 1st for the 2nd and 3rd. But it needs to be much better than slightly. We would be loosing out on the possibility of a much better prospect in the 1st round(Verrett, Fuller, Roby, ect).
     
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  10. Blitzy

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    I also don't like the Falcons as a trading partner, PERIOD!

    With that said, the FO will only consider making that trade if:

    A- the player(s) who they really wanted at that spot is already gone

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    B- the QB who the Jags want is still available by the time we get to pick, AHEAD of the Browns! In fact, that is why they will consider forgoing the 20 point differential without asking for a 6th rounder from us to boot and even up the math!

    This draft for us will unlikely yield any one-punch knock-out type of player. IMO, it's mostly going to be about adding quality depth to our D which has been held together mostly with Bandaid and saliva!
     
  11. Lance19

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    I love that chart...it's super practical.
    For instance, for 1 Eric Fisher (3,000 pts) you can get 1,500 Justice Cunninghams!!

    Caution: chart only works for trades with Atlanta clubs...Do not try Jagging-off at home...without safety goggles.
     
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  12. AnteaterCharger

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    OK quick side note on this; we weren't allowed to trade 2015 picks because we wouldn't be doing one now. As such no point in giving an extra seven picks a piece. The 2-4-6 was a pretty decent haul considering.
     
  13. matilack

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    It's not a bad trade, I just feel like we lack blue chip prospects as much as we do depth. I see Verrett, Fuller, and especially Dennard all as possible #1 CBs, and they were all on the board in that mock. I like Attaochu enough to take him as well.

    A 2 and a 3 would have been fair, considering who was left on the board for us.
     

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