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NFL and Goodell confirm that Pats cheated

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by WonderSlug, Sep 11, 2007.

  1. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014677

     
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    Boltdiehard Well-Known Member

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  3. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

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    While not suspending the coaches, nor causing a forfeit, I think the following punishment is sufficient:

    1.) $20 million dead money cap hit against next year's cap, and $10 million against this year's cap. Cut that meat!

    2.) Loss of all 2008 draft picks, to be distributed to those opponents affected by past cheating. That means Jets, Green Bay, Vikings.

    3.) Extra hard and tight scrutiny from NFL league security personnel on the sidelines regarding anyone near the sidelines with a video camera or microphone at all Patriots games, for the next 3 years.
     
  4. PowderLove

    PowderLove Former Mod, Current Slacker

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    Relegation.
     
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    Buttmunch Well-Known Member

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    Wow. :icon_eek:


    Although, it's hard for me to believe that they will get more than a slap on the hand. C'mon, all of the east coast and media outlets are closet, fairweather Pats fans...........much like the latest batch of Red Sox followers.

    Fuc 'em either way. I hope we go in there, make a stmt and leave them speechless.
     
  6. Boltdiehard

    Boltdiehard Well-Known Member

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    They're fuced especially after we go in there and kick their asses. Lots of questions for "The Genius".

    Pricks.
     
  7. Buttmunch

    Buttmunch Well-Known Member

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    Comments in this week's power rankings for the Patriots:

    Now we know why Bill Belichick -- especially when he wears a hood -- always appears so secretive. The guy's a spy! OK, it's evidently just one of his cameramen. And it's likely no big deal. Still, do they need the help that bad?

    Does it/should it matter that it's only one cameraman?
     
  8. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    This taints the power of "The Hoody"
     
  9. WonderSlug

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  10. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Do you realize the tremendous advantage you have when you steal the other teams signs? Especially against a division rival that you play against 2 times a year!
     
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    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

    PATS GUILTY OF CHEATING

    Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has concluded that the New England Patriots violated league rules when videotaping defensive signals being sent in from the sidelines by Jets coaches during Sunday's game at the Meadowlands.

    NFL Security confiscated a camera and videotape from Pats employee Matt Estrella, a video assistant. Mort says that the evidence that was confiscated confirmed the suspicion.

    And the punishment could be severe.

    Mortensen reports that Goodell is considering the possibility of stripping the team of "multiple draft picks," given that he has issued a stern warning to all teams to avoid such behavior.

    We'll echo what we said below about Claude Wroten and anyone who tests positive at the scouting combine. In this case, the persons responsible for doing this are either stupid, or they have a serious problem.

    The Patriots previously had been linked to such behavior. And yet they kept on doing it.

    Former defensive coordinator Eric Mangini is now the head coach of the Jets, and likely knew a thing or two about these practices in New England. And yet they kept on doing it.

    In fact, we're told by a very good source that, when the Packers caught a Pats employee doing the same thing last season, the Packers knew exactly what to look for, and nailed the guy in the act. The Packers didn't press the issue only because they lost the game 35-0, and didn't want to complain under those circumstances.

    The Pats' habits in this regard were so well known that, per the same source, Colts president Bill Polian had all on-field cameras removed for the 2006 AFC championship game.

    Thus, the Patriots knew that other people know what was happening. And yet they kept on doing it.

    If all of this is true, it reflects a dangerous amount of arrogance in that team's coaching staff. In fact, our guess is that, now that the poo has hit the propeller, whoever put this system in place will privately justify it after the fact by explaining that, in the end, the cost was far less than the benefits that have been derived.

    And it makes us -- and likely many others -- wonder how far back all of this goes. How many Lombardis are potentially tainted? How many of the games during that record-setting winning streak?

    Regardless of the lost draft picks, which mean much less in the salary cap era than they used to, there's now a stain on the NFL first dynasty of the new century. How far it spreads and how deep it goes remains to be seen.
     
  12. BigJim

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    Not to mention the "irregularities" with their radio frequencies. If they were listening in to the other teams offensive plays, well that would explain much.

    Guess they haven't been holding this team together with smoke and mirrors, but instead video cameras and radio receivers. :tdown:
     
  13. mandude

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    I am more curious about if they send out scouts to other games. Any chance there were Pat spys video tapping our signals sunday night?

    Seems like it would create a huge advantage.

    Problem with cheating is that it underminds everything. I think Goddell will come down harder than people think. With what happened in the NBA... and how this hurts the league in the long run, no way this goes punished.
     
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    THERE'S AN EASY SOLUTION TO SIGNAL STEALING

    As the storm clouds gather regarding allegations that the New England Patriots have been stealing defensive signals on a chronic basis, two basic truths are obvious to us.

    First, surely the Pats aren't the only team to do it. (If, of course, the Pats are doing it.)

    Second, there's an easy solution to the problem.

    Put. A. Radio. In. The. Helmet. Of. The. Middle. Linebacker. Please.


    We'll never hear about anyone stealing offensive signals because there are no offensive signals to steal. Because the coaching staff can speak directly to the quarterback, through the radio receiver in the helmet with the ugly-*** green dot on it.

    So why not do the same thing on the defensive side of the ball?

    Such a measure was presented for approval at the ownership meetings in March 2007, but it mustered only 22 of the 24 votes necessary to pass.

    We'd love to know whether the Pats voted for it -- or whether any of the teams presently carping about the allegations voted against it. Or whether the teams who really want it have opted to pile on the Pats in an effort to get the measure pushed through in 2008.

    Regardless of the motivations, plenty of teams have accused the Pats of stealing signals. Currently, the Jets, Bills, Broncos, Eagles, Lions, and Packers have complained, privately or publicly.

    John Tomase of the Boston Herald reports that the alleged pattern is that a credentialed Patriots employee records opposing coaches signaling in the defensive plays. Sources in Green Bay told Tomase that the cameraman also relays information to the Pats' bench via hand signals.

    Though there's a lot of smoke here -- and there very well could be fire -- the situation still makes little sense to us. On one hand, videotaping the defensive signals would presumably be used when preparing to play the team in the future. On the other hand, the Pats only play the Lions and Packers once every four years. So unless there's a black market for this kind of stuff, the risk would seem to outweigh the reward. (Then again, it's possible that they'll face an NFC opponent in a Super Bowl before the Pats play them again in the regular season. Still, the benefit is too remote, in our view, to ever take that kind of a chance.)

    Also, the in-game communication between the cameraman and the Pats' coaching staff suggests some type of Rain Man card-counting skills that allows the guy with the camera to figure out in real time what the defensive signals might be. But how does the video camera come into play? Is the guy rewinding the tape and comparing it to defense that was used? How can the guy do both things?

    And even if he's merely taping the calls and signaling the information to a member of the New England coaching staff, why not use two people to do that job?

    These questions are irrelevant for now. The tape that was reportedly confiscated won't lie. If it shows a zoomed-in record of defensive signals, the Pats will be in hot water.

    Moving forward, however, the far better approach is to remove the temptation to cheat by getting rid of the signals and allowing the coaching staff to talk directly to one member of the defense through a radio.
     
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    Funny how the Patriots were considered so good with so little talent. I guess having the other team's playbook helps out.
     
  16. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Teams have better things to do during the week than worry about changing HUNDREDS of signals.
     
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    Now where all those trolls we had are back in January?
     
  18. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Pats fans are in denile!!!

     
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    Bellychick just got called out into Lord Goodell's chamber and altar of pain and Parcell's thinks this a farce ?

    Parcell's has gotten too fat and quit on the Cowboys. The farce was watching that fat fuc-ker let TO run it up his fatassss...
     
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    After all the smack talk they gave last year,,This is halarious. The Packers cought them doing the same thing Last year and they were still dumb enough to get caught again. :abq1: :icon_rofl: Now I know we will KICK some East Coast *** Sunday.
     
  21. Trumpet_Man

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    We need somebody to get a cheesy cardboard box and set it up as a camera on the sidelines.

    It can say "we are watching you" :icon_eek: :abq2:
     
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    Maybe Parcell cheated also, thats why he is saying what he is.
     
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    It's amazing how dirty this francise has become!!
    I'm sure the commentators will be talking about this quite a lot during the game this Sunday night. THEN EVERYBODY WILL HATE THEM!!!
     
  25. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    And its not like they can deny stealing signs is an advantage. Remember how outraged they were when they heard the Dolphins were doing this last year?
     
  26. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    If it's such a huge deal, why not make them forfeit this win? I mean, irrefutable visual evidence. Hard evidence. Proof. If he really has made this determination that the Pats cheated, Goodell needs to take that win away from them.

    But the truth is, I don't think this is uncommon. Just that the Pats have gone the extra step and recorded it. That's why they'll only get a slap on the wrist. Big deal... taking draft picks from them. Docking them salary cap room. Won't matter. I don't think the Jets would have stopped the Patriots even if Bill Belichik himself was telling Mangini every single play that was coming.

    Yes, the Jets sucked that much on Sunday.
     
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    It's written in jest, but yes, they were there.

     
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    Uhh hate to break it to ProFootballWeekly but the other issue under investigation is the unusual amount of RF channels in use by the Patriots during the game and the interference being heard over the Jets RF signal. So how does ProFootballWeekly feel about just putting a radio in the Mike's helmet now? Patties seem like they got that covered to. Hope Goodell comes down like fire and brimstone on this one!
     
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    The RF issue was likely the Pats trying to scan the frequencies until they locked in on the particular frequency that the Jets' headsets were using.

    So, even using a radio like PFT discusses, would mean that some unscrupulous type would attempt to scan the radio frequencies until he heard someone that sounded like a coach saying "50 split power left" or something like that.
     
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