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NFL is painting the wrong town

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Johnny Lightning, Jan 27, 2009.

  1. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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    By Nick Canepa
    Tuesday, January 27, 2009

    TAMPA, Fla. – San Diego could use this Super Bowl right about now. It would go down real easy, what with the city up to its widow's peak in fiscal muck. Recession or not, thousands of Steelers and Cardinals fans, armed with overextended credit cards, would be making their way into town this week, eating, drinking, spending, staying, overextending their overextensions, and being merry.

    Call me biased if you want – I've been called worse – but this is my 25th big game, so I can speak from experience. San Diego is a great Super Bowl town. And they are few.

    There are at least XLIII reasons San Diego should be holding another Super Bowl, and no rational ones – what's zero in the Roman numerology? – explaining why it shouldn't.

    Unless you say, as the NFL does, that Qualcomm Stadium isn't a worthy venue. And as much as I believe San Diego needs a new stadium, that Qualcomm is rotting inside, I think that's a load of political manure.

    On one day a year, for a few hours, Qualcomm could suffice. It worked in 1988, 1998 and 2003, when then-Commissioner Paul Tagliabue uttered the infamous words: “From my own perspective, I'm surprised we're here this week.”

    So Tampa, estimated population 382,000, gets another Super Bowl, its fourth. Now, I'm not going to get in another spitting contest with the city of Tampa. There is a bay here, after all, and if you try hard enough you can get a meal after 9 p.m.

    In Tampa's defense, it's easy to get around, everything is close, it has a terrific airport – if there is such a thing – and the people are nice. They've had indoor plumbing for some time, and the city has come a long way since its first try in 1984. It is Super Bowl worthy now – but once a decade is enough.

    “I remember when Tampa was awarded its franchise (1975),” says Chargers COO Jim Steeg, who was the NFL's man in charge of Super Bowls for 26 years. “Right away, they asked us: 'When do we get a Super Bowl?' We said: 'It might be a good idea to get a hotel first.'”

    Give Tampa credit. It really built one.
    But Steeg doesn't believe Qualcomm is Super Bowl-worthy. And it's all about stadiums now.

    I tried to reach NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell on the matter of San Diego getting back in the Super Bowl mix without a new stadium, in that one isn't getting built any time soon – if ever.

    My e-mail reply came from League publicist Greg Aiello: “It's difficult to imagine with all the new stadiums around the league competing to hold Super Bowls that the ownership would support anything other than cities with those newer facilities.”

    Was this from Goodell?

    “No, me,” Aiello e-mailed back. “But he sees it the same way (You know how it works. The owners collectively vote on where to play the Super Bowl).”

    Cities no longer matter. Jacksonville? Please. This will be Florida's 14th Super Bowl. California, with the three oldest stadiums in the NFL, is treated as though it's radioactive. The only place in the “West” now deemed worthy is Glendale, Ariz., because it has a new facility.

    Next year, it's back to Miami for a record 10th time, then to new-stadium cities, Dallas and Indianapolis. Great warm-weather sites. The next one's open. San Diego should take a shot.

    “I think Tagliabue was frustrated when he said that,” Steeg said. “As much as he likes the city, he knew you have to have a new facility.”

    Why?

    “You have infrastructure problems here,” Steeg says of Qualcomm, “what you have to do to the facility to broadcast the game, and the events that go on around the stadium. This facility can't handle it. It was on the edge last time.”

    But it handled it. Didn't hear many complaints. Don't know that I heard one. Tagliabue wasn't frustrated; he was calculating and coached. It was nothing more than a feeble effort to light a fire and strong-arm City Hall into getting a new stadium done.

    Tagliabue's arms weren't strong enough.

    Not to be fashionable and sound like Barack Obama, but if we can put a man on the moon, we can put a Super Bowl in Qualcomm Stadium. Believe me, if the NFL really, really wants to, it can do it.

    “We have a lot going for us,” says local businessman Ron Fowler, former chairman of the San Diego Super Bowl Committee. “It's frustrating. We'd have to spend additional money to put it on, but we did it in 2003 and didn't lose a dollar. We can do it again. There are challenges, but every city has challenges.”

    Money would be the challenge in San Diego, for sure. But if the powers that be would get together and deliver a plan to Chargers President Dean Spanos on how to sell it to NFL owners, there might be air for a trial balloon.

    “This is my city,” Spanos said while admitting it won't be easy. “If I could pull the strings to do it – and I don't know if I could – I'd do it. I would support a Super Bowl in San Diego.”

    Nothing wrong with at least trying. Tampa does.
     
  2. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    NFL wants Superbowls in San Diego. But they want a modern stadium with plenty of luxury boxes.

    SD doesnt want a new stadium...

    The two dont equal out.
     
  3. sickswonnyne

    sickswonnyne Well-Known Member

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    If we had a new stadium we'd be having Super Bowls here every 5 years. And that's not exaggerating. SD is right up there with Miami for best Super Bowl cities. We don't have an Int'l airport, but we have SOOO much going for us. I worked at the Q the last time it was here (2003's TB blowout of Oak) and I want to be able to be at one again.
     
  4. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    He has a point. I think we ALL agree that a new stadium has to be built eventually. Though in the mean time, Qualcomm is not as horrible as some people try to make it seem, Tagliabue (AKA: Satan) . We could host another Super Bowl.
    Maybe do that and use some of the profits to put towards a new stadium.

    Though I don't see his confusion about Tampa hosting this years. Tampa is a nice city. It might be on the Gulf side but the water is plenty swimable at this time. If you want to stay for awhile and hit the ocean, Daytona Beach is only a 45 minute drive.
    And with all that said... the new stadium looks great on TV.
     
  5. Kwak

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    Those self interest self serving asswipes have cost the city millions! The have also cost the local businesses piles of money.

    retards.
     
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  6. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    It's the city's own damn fault.

    They're costing themselves millions by not having a SB acceptable stadium, and they're gonna lose the team we all love because they are shortsighted idiots as well as financial failures.
     
  7. BOLTS4LIFE

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    I agree that the politicians we had back in the beginning of the decade were lousy BUT I also think this way... what the Spanos family was planning to do was very unique. Meaning that it wasn't like those politicians of that time could have looked elsewhere for advice (in a similar situation).

    Though I also think they should have looked deeper into this unique situation than they did. IMO, the original plan of building a new stadium next to the existing one was the best plan out of all the others (unless a Downtown stadium across from Petco happens).

    BUT, now those politicians are no longer in office. They have new politicians that are willing to work with them. Problem... they have MANY other things to fix.
    My advice to the Spanos family and San Diego politicians... Qualcomm is not as horrible as Satan (AKA: Taglibue) told you it is. Spanos... go ahead with your plans to bring more revenue into the stadium so you can keep the team you have now.
    In the mean time... stop spending research money and see what happens with the possible sites in Chula Vista.
    In other words... concentrate on winning!!! When this recession ends... face Mayor Sanders and demand!!! THIS WILL HAPPEN!!
     
  8. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard Charger fan at 7000'

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    The former stadium manager lives here in Big Bear, and watches Charger games with us from time to time. He says the part the public sees looks fine, but that it is a 40+ year old structure and the stuff the public doesn't see is falling apart.
     
  9. SDRaiderH8er

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    Like the Rebar that is rusting out so bad they make tripping hazards, and to fix those tripping hazards they use epoxy to fill in the mismatch's, gaps and or valleys. Then the miles of Electrical wiring just hanging over Air Conditioning Ducts, the Visitors Locker Room will not accommodate 53 Players, the Press Box Leaks Water, (and Spilled Beers) every time it rains. The original Stadium was built for 52,000 People. To store the extra's, for 72,000 people they have to use the Aisle ways. Which takes away half the Aisle, which have those tripping hazards.

    In other words, they tried to Pimp out a Pinto, it looks good, but it runs like crap.
     
  10. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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  11. BOLTS4LIFE

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    I could have told you that. If everything was as good as what the public sees, a new stadium might now be an issue at all right now. All that I'm saying is that it can still hold up a couple more seasons.
    Spanos just needs to concentrate of winning (including a Super Bowl or two), wait this recession out, then demand. That's how the deal will get done!
     
  12. Sydalish

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    The new stadium is going to take time to build - and heaven forbid some dude decides to sue over it like what happened with PetCo - didn't that hold up the project for a year or two?

    They have spent 7 years already - they have been more than patient. The economy is likely going to be a 3-4 year recovery from the recession, if something doesn't happen in the next 12 months the Chargers may very well start looking elsewhere.
     
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    I know all of this. I think the vast majority of posters in here realize and appreciate the effort on Spanos side. Though he also agreed to keep the Chargers in Qualcomm till 2020 years ago.

    Now before you have a hay day, I'm very aware of the changes that have been made since the day of that agreement and that they can actually leave now. I also realize that Spanos is getting tired of spending money and researching.
    All I'm saying is that it might be a good idea for both city officials and the Spanos family to back off about the stadium issue for a bit and agree to meet again at the end of this season.
     
  14. Johnny Lightning

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    It dosn't look good... I hope I'll wrong...
     
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    I can see your point. Going back to what we keep hearing from the Chargers as far as the process being closer to the end than the beginning I think that a workable plan sometime in the next two years keeps them here. When the project is complete is less important than getting the ball rolling.
     
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    I pretty much agree with the caveat that I think we probably have two years to come up with a workable plan...that is when it becomes much cheaper for them to leave.
     
  17. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard Charger fan at 7000'

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    You said "Qualcomm is not as horrible as Satan (AKA: Taglibue) told you it is." I was just telling you why he would say that.
     
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    :yawn: I know why he said that. My point is that it's not as horrible as he said it was.
     
  19. sickswonnyne

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    Man i used to work at the stadium for 5 or 6 years. There's not one freakin spot of the stadium that I don't know about. As a high schooler, it was a great job to have. But even then I recognized how ****** it was. There's sooo many stories that I can tell about how messed up stuff is over there.

    Contrasting that, I worked at Petco Park for a little, and the difference is huge. At Qualcomm, I had to deal with leaking roofs, old blown wiring, and huuuge rats. At Petco, it's like a freaking palace. Just being there in beautiful downtown in a sparkling new stadium made work soo much better. Going back to the Q every season was always a let down.

    The Chargers need a new stadium, not just to be aesthetically pleasing, but because it's so much work just to keep that place going. It's like Cuba and their cars, where they have rusty 1960 cars with wooden wheels and sh!t, but can't replace them, so they just spend all their time trying to fix worn parts to keep running.

    [​IMG] = Qualcomm
     
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    I don't doubt what you're saying and I don't think anybody else does either. I also don't think that anybody disagrees that we'll need a need stadium tomorrow or the next day.

    I just think that Spanos needs to concentrate on winning a Super Bowl right now. That will be the deciding factor.
     

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