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NFL & NFLPA Cancel CBA Talks

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    NFL, union cancel contract talks

    Updated Feb 10, 2011 4:00 PM ET

    Negotiations to prevent an NFL lockout took a grim turn Thursday with the cancellation of the second day of a planned two-day bargaining session.

    ''We wish we were negotiating today,'' NFL Players Association spokesman George Atallah said. ''That's all I can say.''

    There are just three weeks to go before the collective bargaining agreement expires on March 3.

    The NFL said it would not comment on CBA meetings at this point. The league did confirm that Commissioner Roger Goodell has canceled an owners' meeting scheduled for next Tuesday in Philadelphia.

    The collapse of the talks came as a surprise. The two sides got together Wednesday for the second time in five days, the previous negotiations taking place in Dallas on Saturday before the Super Bowl. Neither Atallah nor NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith would comment on why Thursday's session was called off.

    The union sent a memo Thursday to player agents updating the status of discussions on a rookie wage scale. A union proposal to decrease the maximum length of rookie contracts to four years for players selected in the first three rounds, and three years for players chosen after that, also included a limit on financial incentives and salary escalators that could be included in rookie deals.

    Those limits would, the NFLPA claims, provide the cost certainty the league is seeking for its rookie salary pool.

    According to the memo seen by The Associated Press, the NFL's response was a five-year wage scale with base salary escalators. That would virtually eliminate individual negotiation of rookie contracts.

    Owners opted out of the current CBA in 2008 and are seeking a bigger cut of the league's revenues, which are roughly $9 billion, as well as the rookie wage scale. They also want to increase the regular season by two games to 18, while dropping two preseason games.

    The players are happy with the status quo.

    The NFL has had labor peace since a 1987 players' strike that led to three games with replacement players, but some sort of labor stoppage appears a genuine possibility this year because of the slow pace of negotiations. The talks at the Super Bowl were the first formal discussions since November.

    Meanwhile, the NFLPA continued to present its side of the argument to the public. The union brought in a beer vendor from Ford Field in Detroit as part of a news conference in the nation's capital aimed at demonstrating the effects a lockout would have on the economy.

    ''Football and other major sporting events are some of the only things that bring people to downtown Detroit after 5 p.m.,'' said John Marler, who has worked at the stadium since 2007.

    Kimberly Freeman Brown, executive director of American Rights at Work, said the NFL and union are fussing over many of the same issues faced by many workers: pay cuts, longer working hours, workplace safety and health care. She said a lockout would have an impact on 150,000 jobs and cause more than $160 million in lost revenue in every city with an NFL team. She called a potential work stoppage ''something that could potentially have devastating consequences on our quality of life and our mental health.''

    ''For many fans, football is just that deep to us,'' Brown said.

    Atallah defended the union's public relations tactics.

    ''It is important for us to stand with the people who are here on this panel, not for any publicity issue or publicity stunt,'' Atallah said. ''This is real life for us. This is a reality that these people face.''

    Smith arrived during the news conference, but stayed in the back of the room and did not answer questions.
     
  2. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    League should be blamed for breakdown in labor talks

    The opening segment to today’s PFT Live focused on Wednesday’s collapse of the labor talks. And Wednesday’s collapse of the labor talks looks to be the responsibility of the NFL, not the union.

    Unless the union offered to take 50 cents on the dollar of every dollar and said that it was a bottom-line position with no room to move, the league should have acknowledged that 50 cents on the dollar of every dollar is a reasonable opening position, and the league should have digested the offer and responded.

    So when the owners convene a conference call at 3:30 p.m. ET, we hope that men like Robert Kraft stand up and say to the negotiators, “Why didn’t you respond to the offer?”

    Opening positions in any negotiation are meaningless. The action begins once the stakes planted in the ground begin to move. The NFL, by all appearances, short circuited this process by refusing to establish the floor once the union set the ceiling.

    So establish the floor, NFL. Otherwise, all this talk about wanting to do a deal is meaningless and hollow and phony. The NFL is behaving like it doesn’t want to do a deal, and for the first time we’re detecting a sense that the fans are starting to realize that a lot of the talk from the league is just that — talk — and that the league won’t take action until every ounce of leverage has been applied to the men who put their bodies on the line every Sunday, either via a lockout or the threat of one.

    John Madden said it best last week. The players, owners, and Commissioner are the current custodians of the game. And the game is too good to screw it up.

    Based on Wednesday’s events, they’re going to screw it up. And for now the league bears the bulk of the blame, in our view.
     
  3. ThunderHorse17

    ThunderHorse17 Lone Wolf

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    On the possible Rookie pay scale, I still dont like the shorter contracts part.
     
  4. SDRaiderH8er

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    so how long do you want the rookies to play for minimum wage?
     
  5. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I'd be happy with a first rounders wage, where do I sign?
     
  6. SDRaiderH8er

    SDRaiderH8er Well-Known Member

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    I would be happy with a second rounders money. Give me One Million and I would be set for life.
     
  7. ThunderHorse17

    ThunderHorse17 Lone Wolf

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    4 years.

    But honestly with AJ, im not worried about 3 year contracts or longer. WE know what we have in 3 years time if not 2, it is those teams that are still struggling to put together a competitive offensive or defensive squad that are gonna suffer. Sucks to be them for sure.

    The other side is the simple player loyalty to the team drafting you. I can see alot more moving and shaking based on gettin more $ on that first big payday contract and thus less homegrown heroes that play an entire career in a single jersey.
     
  8. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    3 years is what it should be. That lets a team determine if they want to resign the player, or let them go. If they want to resign the player, then they give them the big contract...
     
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    player loyalty? 3 or 4 years after a player gets drafted? No way.

    This and the rookie pay scale thing
     

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