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No quick resolution to holdouts

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Johnny Lightning, Jul 24, 2010.

  1. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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    How long can Chargers go without Jackson, McNeill?

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    All involved in pay disputes are resigned to long-term absences

    By Kevin Acee , UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
    Originally published July 23, 2010 at 10:50 p.m., updated July 24, 2010 at 12:02 a.m.


    The Chargers, according to their general manager, have accepted they will be without two of their best players for the majority, if not all, of the 2010 season.
    Marcus McNeill and Vincent Jackson, according to those close to them, are committed to seeing their holdouts through.
    The sides have not spoken since mid-June.
    A week from today, Chargers veterans will be in their second day of training camp, going through their third and fourth practices. McNeill and Jackson almost certainly won’t be there, unhappy that they’re not getting long-term deals and unwilling to play for one-year contracts that shrank in June from $3 million-plus to around $600,000 apiece.
    As for the Chargers’ other unsigned restricted free agent, Shawne Merriman also is unhappy with a lack of commitment from the team, but the prognosis is better for the linebacker showing up sooner than later.
    Having stayed away from Chargers Park most of the offseason and having not participated in minicamp or coaching sessions, Merriman has declined to comment on when he will report. However, sources confirmed the sides are in the preliminary stages of discussing the circumstances and timing of Merriman signing his $3.269-million tender and reporting to camp.
    Still, it must be pointed out there has been talk about one or all three players sitting out the entire season.
    Everyone has debated for months and will continue for months to argue the merits of each side doing what it is doing.
    The bottom line: The team has several players whose contracts are up in 2010, and it has prioritized how it will work down the list. (Everyone needs to get in line behind Antonio Gates.) Add an uncertain labor climate, and the Chargers are not doing long-term deals at present.
    Also, GM A.J. Smith doesn’t plan to reinstate money he trimmed from Jackson’s and McNeill’s tenders when they did not sign by June 15.
    Given the details above, solutions seem highly unlikely, but there are some options that deserve review.
    One involves giving the players more money. (Smith just put down his coffee and is taking a moment.)
    More precisely, the Chargers could give McNeill and Merriman more money and trade Jackson. McNeill is the only one of the three who has a strong chance to get a long-term deal from the Chargers. Beyond that, the team could get another year of production out of a healthy Merriman. Any trade involving Jackson, which the Chargers will likely become more open to as time goes on, would yield a high draft pick.
    From the team’s ownership and leadership perspective, they can claim they tried to get something done instead of assigning all responsibility for forward progress to the players and their agents. And, maybe, the team gets one or two of its best players for the entire season.
    For the players, they get closer to what they deserve, if not entirely what they’ve demanded.
    Much has been made in these sports pages, on the Web and radio and TV about the shrinking of the team’s window to win a championship. But deep in their core, Dean Spanos, A.J. Smith, Ed McGuire, Norv Turner, Philip Rivers and even Jay Jay Maniquis the mailroom/copy kid/fill-in receptionist/coffee maker must know that 2010 is the team’s best chance to finally get a Lombardi Trophy in the lobby.
    The Chargers have a number of good players (and a few great ones) who will be in camp next week focused on playing the entire season. It is entirely possible that last year’s upstart youngsters will continue to progress, two or three rookies will make immediate and integral contributions and a couple guys we’ve barely noticed in the past will make a huge difference this year. Plus, their schedule appears, at the least, favorable.
    But the chances that blue and gold confetti will rain from the top of Cowboys Stadium in February are greatly increased by the starting (two-time Pro Bowl) left tackle, starting (one-time Pro Bowl) wide receiver and starting (three-time Pro Bowl) outside linebacker playing a full schedule.
    People who should know say Jackson and McNeill would play for the equivalent of the “transition” tag — the average salary of the 10 highest-paid players at their respective positions. That would be $8.65 million for Jackson and $9.14 million for McNeill.
    Merriman is a little trickier.
    Merriman has a lot to prove after two injury-marred seasons. He needs to get to camp to show he is healthy and retains the explosiveness, speed and power that made him one of the league’s best before his 2008 reconstructive knee surgery. If, after the Chargers play a couple of exhibition games, Merriman is proving he can contribute at 2007 levels, the team could consider doubling his salary to $6.6 million. (The coffee is on the floor now.)
    If Merriman is not worth that price and Larry English is ready to be the answer, then perhaps the team should consider trading Merriman alongside Jackson.
    It’s not as simple as restructuring a contract like the Tennessee Titans did with Chris Johnson. This is about coming up with an extra $11 million to 14 million to retain players for a single run to Dallas in February.
    That’s an awful lot. (Add in the nearly $7.3 million Darren Sproles is already making for one season, and what’s proposed above essentially blows up the philosophy of this fiscally responsible franchise.)
    But if this season, with the current collection of players, is the team’s best chance for a Super Bowl run, the Chargers need to do something.
     
  2. MasterOfPuppets

    MasterOfPuppets Charger fan since 1979

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    How long can Chargers go without Jackson, McNeill?

    I'd do it (of course, it's not my money :icon_mrgreen:) but if Sproles is worth it, then so are both of them
     
  3. Johnny Lightning

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    No movement expected with holdouts as Bolts camp opens

    By Kevin Acee , UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
    Saturday, July 24, 2010 at 10:55 p.m.


    With his rookies reporting to training camp tonight and the holdouts of Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill just days from becoming reality, A.J. Smith remains resigned to the situation dragging on.
    There will be no more money for Jackson or McNeill as an inducement to bring them back to the Chargers.
    We are almost certainly approaching Smith’s last public proclamation on this topic, the final statement maybe coming Friday, the day that Jackson and McNeill (and perhaps Shawne Merriman) will officially be tardy.
    “We stand the same,” Smith said. “And clearly all parties understand each other’s position. We may see Vincent and Marcus for the last six game, or maybe not at all this year. But if they do decide to come back before the end of the season, six games is a lot of football, especially if we are fortunate enough to still be very much alive in the race for the division championship. We would have two great, Pro Bowl-talented players returning to our team for the stretch run.
    “Now, what kind of shape would they be in or what their attitude might be, I don’t know. But if they do return, coach (Norv) Turner will decide what their roles will be at that time.”
    Smith will not say what he plans to do as the holdouts drag on.
    He could well trade Jackson, as sources have said he is willing to do. McNeill is almost definitely not going anywhere, as Smith covets him for a long-term deal at some point. Merriman, who could not have his salary offer reduced as McNeill’s and Jackson’s were, is likely to report at some point during training camp.
    While Smith’s repeated reference to expecting the players back with six games remaining might be an indication he doesn’t plan to do so, the Chargers have the option of placing the three absent players on the Roster Exempt List.
    Smith has done it before, using the option to expedite an end to Antonio Gates’ 2005 holdout.
    A team must notify a player at least five days before the second preseason game that it intends to place him on the list. If the player does not report the day before the second preseason game, he would miss three games after the time he signed.
    The Chargers could use the Roster Exempt List to try to get one or all of the players to sign and report to the team with nine games to go rather than six, so that they could sit out the three games and still get their accrued season by being on the roster for six games. But it could also prompt the players to simply miss the entire season.
     
  4. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I'm tired of hearing about these dude's, screw em. I would hate to see them come in at the end of the season and collect the winners purse.
     
  5. Johnny Lightning

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    Contract battles remain in AFC West

    July, 26, 2010 By Bill Williamson
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    The Denver Broncos gave star linebacker Elvis Dumervil a huge, $61.5 million extension last week. The deal will keep Dumervil, who led the NFL with 17 sacks last season, in Denver for the next six seasons. Still, there are some other high-profile players in the AFC West who still have uncertain contract situations.

    The following is a look at some of the players who have pending contract issues:

    Champ Bailey, cornerback, Denver: Bailey is entering the final season of a seven-year contract with the Broncos. Bailey, 32, said he will play out the season without any issues and he hopes to stay in Denver. Bailey said in June he knew Dumervil was the top priority in Denver and he was fine with it. Now that Dumervil’s situation has been addressed, expect Bailey and the Broncos to start thinking about the future.

    Vincent Jackson, receiver, San Diego: Jackson is a restricted free agent who has not signed his tender. He is expected to hold out unless San Diego gives him an extension. That is not going to happen soon. So, expect a long holdout by Jackson.

    Marcus McNeill, left tackle, San Diego: McNeill is in the same situation as Jackson. The Chargers are reluctant to give out new deals because of the uncertainty of the CBA. But there are indications that the team wants to retain McNeill.

    Shawne Merriman, linebacker, San Diego: Merriman is also a restricted free agent who has not signed his tender. But he is expected to be at camp because he has to show he is completely recovered from a 2008 knee surgery. Merriman will be paid by some team in 2010, the question is whether San Diego will be the team to sign Merriman or not. We won’t know that answer until after the season when Merriman shows he is still an elite player.

    Richard Seymour, defensive lineman, Oakland: Seymour was franchised and he will make more than $12 million this year. Oakland will try to keep him next year. Expect Oakland to get a new deal for Seymour finalized after the season. The Raiders are known for paying top dollar to keep their best players off the open market. Considering that the Raiders gave up their top pick to New England to get Seymour, there is little chance they will let him walk.
     
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    How long can Chargers go without Jackson, McNeill?

    Truer words were never spoken.
     
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    How long can Chargers go without Jackson, McNeill?

    I would do it for MM, but not VJ
     
  8. LV Bolt Fan

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    How long can Chargers go without Jackson, McNeill?

    I'd do it for both. :yes:
     
  9. MasterOfPuppets

    MasterOfPuppets Charger fan since 1979

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    How long can Chargers go without Jackson, McNeill?

    prorated to account for the 3 game suspension would be 7 million for VJ, I would do it

    But I do agree that MM is more important, I have hope (don't know why) that Gates, Floyd, Nanee and Davis can do the job without VJ
     
  10. Retired Catholic

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    How long can Chargers go without Jackson, McNeill?

    If the off season reports of how well Davis and Naanee have progressed, I have more than hope (depending on whether or not Buster can stay healthy). I've been a fan of Malcom since he was drafted and now he has begun to blossom. Gates is Gates. My worry right now is the buzz that Matthews might hold out because his agent is filling his head with visions of sugar plums.
     
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    Malcom wasn't drafted. UDFA from Wyoming.
     
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    How long can Chargers go without Jackson, McNeill?

    Duly noted. Been a fan since he arrived. I am going to enjoy watching him.
     

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