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Nonsense and Non Sequiturs

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Blue Bolt, Apr 19, 2011.

  1. Blue Bolt

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  2. Charger Dave

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    Pumpy got a job in the food industry? :geek:
     
  3. Blue Bolt

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    Nope, sober as a friar. ;)
     
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    Yes exactly. Nice attempt at spinning it though ;)
     
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    True on both counts. Hopefully later tonight. Have to put kiddos to bed in a moment here..
     
  7. FCBolt

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    Maybe you need to drink more then ;)
     
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    Edited: Sorry, couldn't resist a blue spin. <blush>​
     
  9. FCBolt

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    Fixed it for you ;)
     
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    Waiting for Jack to jump in with the Aussie spin - similar but subtly different?

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    Edited: I wonder if Jack ever took Carter's Little Liver Pills to turn his urine Blue?​
     
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    Same to you.

    If you accept that officiating affects the outcome of games, then you can't exclude Sunday night's debacle, just because you have a particular favorite.
     
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    I do have a certified food handler card...... but, come on there is no Zin sign on that cart! :tdown:
     
  13. Pumpkin Bolt

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    How would he know sitting down! :D
     
  14. FCBolt

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    I never said I excluded that possibility, just that it's not a 100% certainty like the Hochuli decision was.
    By the way
    http://forums.chargers.com/showpost.php?p=2074738&postcount=1768
    There's a few more like that. Want to see them? ;)
     
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    It did change "the outcome of the game", as it unfolded differently than it would've if the play had been called correctly. That doesn't mean the Charger still couldn't have screwed up somehow. There is no such thing as 100% certainly as you suggest. I would never go that far...... I don't see why you fail to acknowledge that fact.

    The PI that was not called when Floyd was being mugged changed the outcome of the game as well. If the call was made as it should've, the Chargers would've retained the ball and been awarded a 1st down, rather than it being a turnover. The game would've unfolded differently from that point. The odds of the Chargers winning would've gone up...... but there's still no 100% certainly.
     
  16. FCBolt

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    We've already been over this. The chances of Rivers messing up a kneeldown are miniscule. So 99.99%, 100%, whatever.
    A lot more had to happen in the Saints game than the refs calling a perfect game for the Bolts to win.

    How bout this one
    http://forums.chargers.com/showpost.php?p=2074738&postcount=1763
     
  17. Blue Bolt

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    I never denied any of what I wrote. I don't get what you're going on about, frankly. I just know from watching football over the years that there's no such thing as a 100% certainty. The odds of the Chargers winning either game would've been greatly improved if the refs called the games properly...... they did not. The idea that the review system wasn't checked before the game was another issue.
     
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    So you're admitting now that Hochuli's call was the deciding factor in that game?
     
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    I wrote that at the time, so I meant it then. It was quite some time ago, so I have some perspective now. The Hochuli call was a very important factor in the outcome of the game, but I don't know that I could say it was deciding in the way you do.

    If the call had been made correctly, the Chargers chances of winning were extremely good. But, I also know that the Chargers could've still won the game even with the blown call. The defense still had an opportunity to stop Denver and win the game. Even after allowing the TD, they still had a chance to disrupt the 2-point conversion and win the game. We know how the game turned out, but if you were honest with yourself, you know that wasn't the only way it could've transpired.

    To get your 100% certainty, you would have to have a game that was decided on the final play, like the Green Bay vs Seattle game was. The final call by the refs decided the outcome. The Hochuli game was not such a situation.
     
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    Well first, I totally agree that the Chargers D didn't do what they needed to after Hochuli call. They were pathetic.

    Yes, GB@Sea of course was 100%. But Hochuli call if reversed was damn close. There was 1:17 left in the game. I'll give you that Rivers could have fumbled a kneeldown, but like I say, we're talking 99.99% chance of success instead of 100%. Whereas Saints game it's tough to say what the outcome would be. Not entirely confident Chargers would win in OT.
     
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    Do I think the Chargers would've won with that Hochuli call reversed?........ yes. Am I certain of that?....... no. ;)

    My point was not just the final drive against the Saints was called incorrectly, but even before on Rivers INT. Floyd was being mugged, and PI should've been called. Therefore, no turnover, and a 1st down for the Chargers. That one call could've easily meant another score for the Chargers, rather than one for the Saints. That one play could've meant the Chargers were driving the ball for the win, rather than the tie at the end of the game. They may've only needed to get in fieldgoal range to win.

    That's the nature of probability, the further back an event occurs, the more things afterward can change. Obviously, if Ingram hadn't been flagged for roughing the passer and the Chargers took a 17 point lead, the play calling would've been different afterward. Events would've unfolded differently, just as they would've if PI had been called and reversed the Rivers INT.
     
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    That's all for me....... night, gents.
     
  23. jackfrost

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    OK....................5 meals in the parking lot.
     
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    Here's what I have noticed and observed in my 52 years of watching sports very closely .......

    NEVER and please, that is NOT an embellishment of any kind in this instance, in all my time of watching sports of many varied types have I EVER seen an umpire or ref in any sport NOT make a bad call at some point during a contest ........ just like the players who compete and often fargup, they are human and therefore prone to human error on occasion.

    Those calls late in the game were absolutely fargin horrid, no question whatsoever and hopefully that crew was roasted over those calls by whoever oversee's the bastards over there, but refs and umpires don't cost you games, players and coaches NOT executing to their potential lose games and only fans looking for excuses would see it any other way.

    Fans can make excuses wfor their beloved team and players all they like, has never changed a result yet to my knowledge and more importanly, NEVER WILL.

    You know the best way to never have to worry about a bad call down the stretch or letting a ref "decide a game" if that suits better ........... perform up to standard for the previous 59 minutes and the opponent wont be in a position to cause an upset and also ref's decisions will be irrelevant and quickly forgotten and unable unduly influence the outcome.................quite simple really. ;)
     
  25. jackfrost

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    This pooftah has his Ol Man now giving interviews to the Press on his behalf ??? :eek:

    I figured we seen the last of him when he was implicated in that whole " I may have pimped out my Son to the highest bidder in College, but I'm not about to admit" scheme ;)

    So what now, he's taken over as his PR director ?

    Yo Daddy O ........................how about you cut the apron strings dude and get a life of your own and stop living vicariously through that pooftah Son of yours, surely you've sucked enough out of him by now you parasite, how about you go find a real job and leave him to underwhelm all by himself !!!! :D

    "But he's still better than Jamarcus"

    Hmmm, lets just look at the facts shall we .......

    Games started ....

    Russell ..... 25

    Newton .... 21

    Win Loss record :

    Russell .... 7 and 18

    Newton ... 7 and 14

    Seems by those numbers that its NOT quite as clear cut as you'd like everyone to believe, hell, another month and those numbers could well be identical, then what ????

    Maybe that bronze bust for Canton should be put on hold for the time being ? :rolleyes:
     
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    Really ???......................Hmmm, I don't recall anyone taking my side as far as Cason was concerned back in those days !!!

    I do recall all those ......."oh c'mon Jack, give the kid some time" types, I know BLEW was indeed one of those ;)

    Oh hell, Shammy was wrong on how many of those duds he loved to say were treated badly by the fanbase .......Clary was his favorite no doubt among many, hell, I recall him and a few others even defending fargin Cromartie (you included) by saying something along the lines of ............"I couldn't give a Rats tossbag what he does off the football or what type of character flaws he has, as long as he comes to play on a Sunday, thats all I care about"

    Guess my questioning of how his character flaws WOULD affect his game weren't to far off the mark afterall.

    Ring any bells ??? :whistling:
     
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    I'm sure you seen my earlier reply in relation to how I feel about ref's deciding game outcomes Ringo................ totally overblown by disillusioned fans making excuses for their team underperforming, end of story.

    By the way, "affecting an outcome" and " costing us a game" are two very very different scenerio's in my book.
     
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    No I can't say that because I have no way of foreseeing "what could of been if only...." ....... BUT he didn't get it right and therefore we lost ................. surely just like the Pack losing that game the other week was a huge miscarriage of justice, it doesn't matter that the wrong call was made, it happens now, has in the past and will continue to happen in the future.

    For the life of me I have never understood with all this modern technology in the games these days, why governing bodies refuse to overturn results that are obviously 100% incorrect and until they do, there will always be scandalous results that piss peeps off, but also ofcourse, keep the game on the front page of the newspapers too lets not forget. ;)
     
  29. jackfrost

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    Not yet ......

    Fargin "Rookie of the Year" !!! :rolleyes: ............hell, did he make the Pro Bowl too ???

    I put as much weight behind that as his Heisman :roflmao: ..........hell, all those awards are nothing more than a fargin popularity contest, they hold as much water as these reality shows that base the winner upon what the public votes ......... in other words, they are total bullshit, not worthy of the line they get in the daily newspaper.

    p.s ...................Hell, for my money there were a hell of alot more overrated QB's than Testaverde for what its worth ..........

    Lets throw such glorified names out there like Torretta, Weinke, Wuerffel, Couch, White and Leinhart for starters ............:roflmao:

    Each one of those superstars made Vinny look like fargin Montana if you ask me. ......hell, throw Todd Marinovich in there as well for good measure and a laugh if you like .....................

    Hmmmm, maybe Cam's Ol'Man will turn out to be the next Marv Marinovich and get an ESPN Doco in 15 years ???? ..........ofcourse they'd have to be willing to fork out a fair amount of cash for that priveledge though. :whistling:
     
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    He did ????
     

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