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Nonsense and Non Sequiturs

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Blue Bolt, Apr 19, 2011.

  1. Lance19

    Lance19 BoltTalker

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    I'm not talking at all about "pass protection abilities" or Faulk.
    I'm simply pointing out that when ZERO evidence exists for a story, I give it exactly that much credibility.
    If the equation changes, so will my opinion. But to say
    "Why wouldn't you believe something, for which no evidence exists?"
    is pretty much the opposite of the way in which I view the world.
    (God, if I believed everything I saw on the internet--until it could be disproved--wouldn't I be the most gullible cretin?)
     
  2. Blitzy

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    No you wouldn't because Jack took that position long ago and gold plated it in his own name. You'll have no chance :p

    P.S. Still love you Jackie Boy :laugh:
     
  3. Lance19

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    I have no idea what the first half of your rant was about, so I'll just address the second half...
    I obviously never said it couldn't be true. It could be true that the Queen diddles goats.
    It could be true that you beat up Eskimos. But if someone claimed you did, and there was zero evidence,
    should I just believe them because it could be true? You think I should assume "in today's climate (?!?)"
    that it "has much chance of being correct as it does of being incorrect" ? Really? Should our courts work that way too? As to "when the shite does hit the fan a few weeks or months down the line" does that mean
    you'd like to place a wager, as to whether any evidence will ever accompany this? First, if evidence DID come
    in, than it wouldn't be "zero evidence" now would it? And we'd be discussing an entirely different kettle of fish.
    Obviously I'd be whistling a different tune if there were evidence...that's my whole point!! :rolleyes:
    Let there be some reason to believe it's true before we use it to smear a Charger.

    Lastly, yes I agree that there probably aren't many "reputable news journos" at that club. If only someone
    could invent some portable recording device (like, say, an iPhone) that a majority of club patrons would
    have on them at all times, that could document such a dramatic public event. One shaky video from one of hundreds of patrons is all it would take to make this story bulletproof. Nah, that's science fiction stuff. :p

    (of course, at this point, just a second drunken clubber, drooling: "Yesh...I shaw alzo Hulk Hogan pile-drive Kanye in da crub!!" would double the credibility of this "story")
     
  4. Blue Bolt

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    Whether this particular Ryno story is true, or not..... the boy has done his share of partying.

    This is hardly the first story of fans seeing Mathews out clubbing and drinking. His driving accident raised a reg flag for me. That onramp is hardly what I'd call tricky or treacherous. To lose control at the Sports Arena entrance to I8 is fishy, to say the least. Mathews has a lot to prove, he's shown a lack of maturity off the field, both in his activities, and his preparation for the season. To come to camp out of shape was bad enough.

    I have my suspicions that his Wonderlic score didn't blow LT's out of the water. ;)
     
  5. Lance19

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    "Well, it says here that the defendant has a jaywalking, and public urination
    conviction against him. The boy has done his share of partying. Let's just
    skip THIS trial, and assume--without evidence--he spray painted this graffiti as well...
    that'll learn him for thinking we judge each case on its merits. Wow!
    Now he has three strikes against him. Our narrative evolves..."

    Geez, the guy showed up out of shape (btw, how the Hell does that happen?! How is
    no one from the club checking-in with the multi-million dollar investment on his first off-season?)
    in 2011...we will never get over it.
     
  6. Blue Bolt

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    Not if he doesn't perform on the field.

    The guy was a 1st rounder that we traded up to get. Expectations were high..... he hasn't met them by a long shot. One of many AJ 1st rounders who haven't lived up to their draft slot.

    I don't dislike Mathews, but I'm disappointed in him. He's shown a lack of maturity, and a knack for getting injured. We may've been spoiled by LT's durability, but Ryan has been a china doll. Letting Tolbert leave was another AJ mistake. Mathews needs somebody to share the load, because he's yet to show he can be counted on to be healthy and productive.

    A guy can't be potential forever...... the clock is ticking.
     
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    Truer words were never spoken.
     
  8. Lance19

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    Yep, and if I was actually talking about any of these other things... :rolleyes:
     
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    Maybe a little off-topic, but always relevant. ;)
     
  10. Lance19

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    Boy, we soooooooooooooooo don't have the emoticon I need for the concept of Blewy always bein' relevant!

    :);):(:mad::confused::cool::p:D:eek::oops::rolleyes::alien::barefoot::cautious::coffee::cry::devilish::geek::giggle::inlove::laugh::ninja::notworthy::poop::roflmao::sick::sleep::sneaky::speechless::tdown::tup::unsure::whistling::x3:
     
  11. jackfrost

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    Haters, bring it on !!!! ;) ....................... Jealousy will get you nowhere Bastage !!!! :roflmao:
     
  12. Blue Bolt

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    I guess you missed the whole comment about his lack of maturity? That's the whole reason Mathews was brought up in the first place.

    Now, if I expanded my critique, that hardly makes it off-topic or irrelevant. Are you having trouble keeping up again? ;)
     
  13. Blitzy

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    It'd be harder for you to talk about these things, because you defend RM and are among the very few on this thread who do. I don't travel too much into the main forum, so I wouldn't know otherwise, but in here, you are an ardent supporter be it either implicitly or explicitly.

    If we set aside the wink, wink, nudge, nudge rumor stuff, we can generally say that the Charger fans on RM float between these categories:

    1- Still like him, wish him success, still have hopes in him and accept his professional disappointments as a part and parcel of being an NFL RB who was running behind a sub par OL.

    2- Somewhat like him, want to see him succeed for the Chargers (don't care for him to succeed if he went elsewhere) but are disappointed in him both on and off the field.

    3- Don't like him, see him as an overrated and underachieving waste of a #12 pick, want him gone and are sick and tired of his sorry arse excuses, because they see his football inadequacies being far greater than his potential.

    I just don't see too many logical fans belonging in the first category after his 3 years "service". I see lots of fans belonging in the second category, but have no problem jumping onto the third if the guy repeats his pattern of performance seen in year 1, 2 & 3 carried over onto his 4th year.

    I'm a very lean 3rd category guy who understands that we can't just unload him but I have a much shorter fuse on Rygina than most.
     
  14. Blitzy

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    You sound like a snotty nosed teenager ;)
     
  15. Blitzy

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    Isn't that why this whole thread was created? ;)
     
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  16. jackfrost

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    Ummmmmmm, wouldnt think the Sandy Hook analogy is a good one to hammer your point home of believing in unsubstantiated rumours mate ................. I certainly hope I dont come across on the some level as those fargin crack-smokin' conspiracy-theorist types, shite, we are talking about a single, young, good-looking millionaire footballer here Bud, not the metally deranged homosapiens running amok these days, of which my personal thoughts of are well known in these parts................. there is no correlation whatsoever between the 2 in this instance.

    Now, getting back on track ......

    My opinion on Mathews is very relevant to this rumour Lance, as previously stated, every report regarding Mathews in the last 3 years has proven to be correct, be it, he's injury prone, not a quick learner (see fumbles, see blocking assignments, see reading defenses, see coming into camps out of shape, etc etc etc) ................they have been a constant the entire length of his Pro career, this isn't something I"M making up here mate, its been duly reported and is a well known fact the guy has been totally underwhelming as a 1st rd pick, if you believe otherwise, thats your business, but please don't try and tell me what he does with himself during his off time DOESN'T have anything to do with his on field performance, even the blindest of Player Homers eventually has to admit they may have been mistaken in their initial thoughts about a player.

    If you need an example of that, ask Ringo next time he's about, how his Homerism regarding Merriman turned out for him !!! :roflmao: (I just love shitstirring him over that lush, mind you, he certainly wasn't the only one who put their neck on the line for that Loser and was left red-faced and embarrassed)

    And again, how do you know, anymore than I think it is entirely feasible, that "some loser" has fabricated this report ?
    As I said, its a 50/50 call at this stage, you tend to fall on the side of optimism, I'll take the pessimistic fork in the bend based on the kid's history. ;)
     
  17. Lance19

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    I'm not sure how much more clearly I can say this: For me, this wasn't about RM...
    it was about smearing a Charger with zero evidence.

    (it seems like others keep bringing up gripes about the guy in a lame attempt to justify the initial ridiculous assumption)
     
  18. Blue Bolt

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    And some of us could care less if it was true or not....... there's plenty of hard evidence that shows Mathew's lack of maturity.

    What I really care about, is what he does (or doesn't do) for this football team..... on the field.
     
  19. jackfrost

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    I dont think Lance quite understands the whole notion of "any Charger ever being of questionable character and ability" (how could we ever forget his VJ love afterall ??)

    And the fact that we all are saying the exact same thing over and over again (which in itself is scart as hell) doesn't seem to have any effect either, so I think Im done Lancing this Boil. ;)
     
  20. Lance19

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    Okay, Blue, Blitzy & Jack -- Meet me at Camera 3:

    I keep saying the same thing...read my initial post...Jack said he couldn't think of ONE reason anyone
    would post such a lie...I responded that it happens all the time, and gave reasons I could think of.

    It was a generic complaint against slamming guys when there's no evidence.
    Note: I don't mention RM because I wasn't defending him...I'm attacking b.s. rumor-mongering:

    jackfrost said:
    I see no reason to disbelieve the story .............. couldnt think of ONE single reason why anyone would post such a story about a rather irrelevant athlete, if there wasnt some element of truth to it.

    Um...because d-bags do stuff like this all the time? Maybe the dude's just jealous of someone
    richer and more successful than himself. Maybe he wants attention. Both are common as Hell.
    Who knows? But at the end of the day, with zero evidence, why should anyone take it seriously?

    "...the elementary rules of logic, that extraordinary claims
    require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted
    without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

    --Christopher Hitchens

    p.s.: That the lingo is that of a pro wrestling fan does not help, either.
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    I have no idea why some of you are trying to get me into a debate re. Mathews since I keep
    saying that my point isn't about him...if you really are that upset about him fine, I clearly
    don't have as strong feelings about him as some of you do. Like with Norv, I never argued that​
    Mathews was doing great, just that terms like "bust" showed little perspective. If you're thinking​
    that I'm the head of the RM Fan Club because I'm even-handed when discussing his short career,​
    then you are entirely mis-reading my posts. If y'all really really want to vent about your issues​
    with Mathews, fine, but first find somebody who's up for it. I oppose trashing guys--especially Chargers--​
    on false or flimsy accusations...that's what my post was about...that's what I was saying, that's​
    why I'm not debating whether someone is butt-hurt because AJ traded up for RM in 2010. Jeez!​

    Occasionally, I have to step away from this forum when the level of stupid is just too high for me. I think this is one of those times. I'll check back in later.
     
  21. Blue Bolt

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    The thread title Nonsense and Non Sequiturs must be lost on Lance.

    Everyone else is just here to shoot the :poop:...... but Lance is apparently auditioning for the debate society. :rolleyes:
     
  22. Blitzy

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    If you are trying to mimic John Stewart, try at least to adhere to some of his brand of humor ;)

    For the sake of simplicity, let me summarize:

    I posted a thread about RM which I saw on The Dirty. I had forewarned that the site was of a vicious and salacious rumor mill nature. Blewy even made fun that he was "shocked" that I'd monitor such sites! I was also mischievously bating you a bit, knowing that we'd start a fresh set of volleys over this one, specially since it's the off season and the last week was sort of slow in here. Unfortunately or fortunately, that thread has since been removed from The Dirty and we can now speculate all we want as to why, but knowing the devilish nature of that site, that story may (or may not ever) come back at a later date.

    You started off sanely enough quoting the great late Christopher Hitchens who in my humble opinion was one of the true deepest thinkers among the mostly mundane and sedated pundits/bloggers/writers, whom I otherwise care to recall. Having said that even the great Hitchens was not infallible at all times, but then again, I'm digressing! Then as the convo snow-balled you oddly went though the route of grandiosity and started paralleling simple gossip, i.e, when people talk sh*t about each other on a salacious website to outlandish conspiracy theories. This Force Majeure type of false equivalency was odd and wrong at the very least and quite insulting to be very frank! Jack correctly called you out on it.

    Then there was some ebb and flow about RM's on/off field issues, etc. I do comprehend that you abide by the mantra of innocent till proven guilty and would like to cross examine any evidence if it should ever come to surface. I also get the notion that your sentiment is much more encompassing that just covering the young and immature Mr. Ryan Mathews. I can unequivocally say that Blew, Jackie and I all GET IT! Where the three of us may differ is on the subject that I personally do NOT care as to what he allegedly does off the field and how many chicks he allegedly bangs or how may video games he plays, as long as whatever his fix is, motivates him to bring his A-Game onto the field of football. I do not idolize athletes and I have bumped into enough of them in real life to know that the majority of them are arseholes, just like the sample cross-section of the general public! On this one, I am not speaking for Jackie or Blew. I do understand the notion that a true professional must remain professional at all times, but then again, I no longer believe in Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy!

    You subscribe to hard empirical evidence and I stick to the notion that there's no smoke without some fire, when it comes to the case of Pro athletes behaving "badly" when in bars & clubs. I'm old enough to truly have lived the old adage that, "nothing good ever happens after Midnight" when out and about. Now, if we were talking about splitting Atoms, I'd take a different stance, but for farg sake, we are talking about an immature millionaire NFL'er sowing his oats! Sheesh!
     
  23. Blitzy

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    Lance is in serious need of popping a Molly :D
     
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    Is that a bad thing ???

    We all know I don't quite qualify for the latter anymore, but are still capable of the snotty nose for what it's worth.
     
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    OH GOD Lance, now you've crossed the line !!!!

    Don't ever use the word "smear" when talking with any old JNCP'er my friend, just conjures up very bad memories of one of our greatest foes from those good ol' day's.

    Sheetface Pink Pony Boy's image is indelibly stamped in my brain forever after his little "smear thread" and I still have nightmares of clicking on that thread. :eek:
     
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    "Ya'll come back now, ya hear" ---- Jed Clampett !!!! ;)
     
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    Well, between his debating and Poofessoria's love of Mass, I think we have ourselves some common ground !!!!
     
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    Most of this post is well above my intellectual capabilities BUT....... I was always out trying "to pull a root" and I was certainly NO millionaire or Pro athelete, in fact I had nuttin' of value that I recall, so I can only imagine how tough it would be to turn a blind eye to all the de-lish-ess-ness that must present itself his way.

    Also, I was a huge Christopher Hitchens fan. :tup:
     
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    Isn't that what got him into all this trouble in the first place ????? :)

    Ohhhh, OUR Lance you mean, sorry, carry on !!!!
     
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    Oh damn !!!!, almost forgot.

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