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Norv Turner winningest Chargers coach ever

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Johnny Lightning, Nov 16, 2009.

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  1. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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  2. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    *in b4 we all know what is going to happen to this thread*
     
  3. reddenedbeard

    reddenedbeard Well-Known Member

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    Let the politics begin.
     
  4. HollywoodLeo

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    According to pro-football-reference.com Gillman's winning percentage was .619

    But, doing the math, I noticed they don't include the tie games. (Which he had 6)

    Are ties supposed to factor into the winning percentage?

    With those 6 games added his percentage drops to .593, which is still different from what this claim is saying. (.600)
     
  5. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    Anyways, I'll save B4L the trouble

    You guys obviously do not care about a Super Bowl victory if you're going to be praising Norv for beating crummy teams in the regular season. He was handed a 14-2 team that went one and done any moron can win more games than any other Chargers coach in history with this team!

    On a side note, AJ Smith the guy who put together this team that I just got done telling you is so talented that any moron can coach them to the playoffs needs to be fired!!!
     
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  6. reddenedbeard

    reddenedbeard Well-Known Member

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    Were you hoping this would prevent him from having the last word?
     
  7. Sydalish

    Sydalish Addicted to Sports

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    I don't think that's possible :lol:

    but no matter what YAY NORV! I enjoy success even when it comes from unexpected places. Here's to that win percentage continuing to improve!
     
  8. Chargers-Superhero

    Chargers-Superhero Just win the Damn SB !!!

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    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    Success? Regular season wins are success? You obviously don't care about a Super Bowl if you're going to celebrate regular season success!

    This guy was handed a 14-2 regular season record team for crying out loud!
     
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    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Who has that head exploding gif?
     
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    in_a_days dgaf

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    Southern-fried rabbit, fried okra, fried green tomatoes, & cracklin bread is also a winning combination. :yes:
     
  14. coachmarkos

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    Congrats Norv!
     
  15. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    My point is and always has been that any average (or in this case ever below average) coach will have success with this team. BUT the better coaches will take this team further.

    Also if sacrificing this season is necessary to win a Super Bowl... DO IT!!!
     
  16. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    The Super Bowl and the NCAA championship game are oddities in US sports -- one-game winner-takes-all matches that follow a tournament of one-game seasons. In the NCAA, the winner now must win six games, in the NFL the champion will win three or four games, and in each instance there is no margin for error. One bad day means season-ending defeat.

    With that level of intensity and pressure, the championship game is the most tense game of the year. All sports fans watch the Super Bowl, all NCAA fans (even the most casual) watch the Final. With the stakes at their highest, the teams either play tight, close contests or one will get blown out. And the highs and lows of general regular season games tend to be minimized.

    Examples: (1) Since the shot clock (designed to increase scoring and minimize stall-ball) was first implemented in the 1987 tournament, no NCAA title game has witnessed both teams scoring 80 or more points; (2) In the history of the NCAA tournament, no title game has had both teams score 90+ points; (3) only one team has ever scored 100 points in the NCAA title game; but (4) in the shot clock era, only four teams have failed to score 65 points in the NCAA title game (2002 Maryland (won), 1992 Michigan, 2002 Indiana, 2006 UCLA (all lost). In other words, the over the past 21 years, the range for both the teams is about 65-84 points -- not high scoring, not preposterously poor offense either.

    NFL example: (1) In 1 of 41 Super Bowls, both teams have scored 30+ points; (2) Only two teams have scored more than 50, three others have scored more than 40 points; (3) Since the AFL-NFL merger only six teams failed to score 10 points, and four of those occurrences happened in the first five years after the merger.

    The Super Bowl has had more blowouts than the NCAA title game, but it's easier to make a two-minute streak and get back into an NCAA title game than to run up three TDs in a quarter.

    More remarkable is the amount of concentration and lack of game reversal -- no team has come back from more than a 10-point halftime deficit to win the NCAA title game. Similarly the largest deficit that a Super Bowl champ ever faced was 10 points -- when Denver scored the first 10 in SB XXII and the Redskins reversed that with 35 second quarter points in a 42-10 win.

    So here's what to look for Sunday: (a) any team that leads by 10+ points will win . . . unless it's the Giants because they led the Pats by 12 in the Meadowlands and lost -- so just because no one has done it before does not mean it's impossible; (b) no team has come from more than 11 points down to take the lead in the Super Bowl (Carolina from 21-10 down to 22-21 up against New England); (c) only one team has trailed by more than 14 points and even achieved a tie (Tennessee -- from 16-0 down to a 16-16 tie against the Rams); (d) NO TEAM HAS EVER BEEN SHUT OUT IN THE FIRST HALF AND WON THE SUPER BOWL; just ask the Vikings -- four Super Bowl appearances, zero first half points.

    Finally, remember the 1999 Rams -- they scored 526 points (nearly 33 per) and allowed 242 for a 284 point differential that rivals the Pats' 315. The Rams won the Super Bowl thanks to a last-second tackle by Mike Jones that left the Titans one yard short of a tie game. The Monk hopes Sunday's game is as good . . . but that the underdog overachieves.
     
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    You going to post that all over the forum?

    That's an idea that no other poster ever came up with!!! :lol:
     
  18. Concudan

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    The youngest QBs to ever win a Superbowl are:
    1) Ben Rothlisberger, 2005, 23 years old.
    2) Tom Brady, 2001, 24 years old
    3) Joe Namath, 1968, 25 years old (226 days)
    4) Joe Montana, 1981, 25 years old (227 days)
     
  19. Kwak

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    Where do you rate Marty as a coach? Average, Above average, Below?
     
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    Depends on the situation.
    Cleveland was a mess.
    Kansas City was a mess.
    We were really a mess.

    When it comes to turning a door mat team into a Playoff team (or ever a Super Bowl contender), he's the best there is.
    Though he seems to have a playoff curse. Example: The Earnest Byner fumble. Them again, that seems to be a cursed franchise. Same with the Chiefs. We certaily had our times of just missing it as well.
    He actually had to work to get teams winning.

    Regardless, I'm not Pro Marty. I just KNOW that we could have done much better had AJ's mind not been so clouded by his ego.
    Singletary could make us one of the most dangerous teams in the league. There are also many great coaches that were available last season... had we waited.


    How would you rate Norv as HC?
     
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    Can you answer the question? Is Marty Avg, Above, Below?
     
  22. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    No Super Bowl win he's a nothing, if you can't win a Super Bowl you have no business even being thought of as anything better than below average.

    The same also applies to QB's, RB's and teams no SB's you ain't worth a crap. That's just the way it is.
     
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    Using the logic of any coach would have success with this team. Wouldn't that mean any coach (Norv) would FAIL with the Raiders? The Redskins got rid of Norv for Marty and Marty only got 1 more win lol. Being on 2 bad teams for 10 years will give you a bad regular season record...There is no team in the NFL that is a coaching change away from being an automatic Super Bowl winning team
     
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    AJ did not fire Marty because of ego. He fired Marty because Marty tried to strong arm AJ into hiring his brother as DC. That was the last straw for Marty.
     
  25. MasterOfPuppets

    MasterOfPuppets Charger fan since 1979

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    you mean like the players tanking to get Norv fired? or the fans just wishing for it to happen? :icon_shrug:

    and if a season is not sacrificed (and since a season is a failure without a championship) wouldn't not sacrificing the season mean a superbowl win? :icon_huh:
     
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    As I said "when it comes to turning a door mat team into a Playoff team (or ever a Super Bowl contender), he's the best there is." That would be above average.

    You can't have 200 wins on your resume if you're average!!!


    Now were do you rate Norv?
     
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    So as a head coach, you know the guy who is supposed to get his team to the Superbowl, is Marty an average coach, or above or below?

    You keep dancing around the question. Are you afraid to answer it?
     
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    because his answer doesn't fit his agenda.

    whoops!

    PLEASE NOTE: This message contains content widely known to anyone who has ever read the BoltTalk forums. While not unique nor derived from confidential information the commentary is completely and 100% original. Get your own personality!!!!
     
  29. BOLTS4LIFE

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    Yeah. That's why I cut him slack there. I'm not sure Vince Lombardi could have got that team winning.

    As for the Redskins... they made a HUGE mistake!!! When you have Tony Banks for your starter, that shows how had the talent is. After an 0-5 start, he got them to 8-8 and just missed the playoffs. Towards the end, they were one of the most dangerous teams in the league and I have no doubt that they would have made the playoffs the following season under Marty.

    Again... if any doubt, go to a Redskins forum and ask them how much they loved Norv.
     
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    Hmmmm. No insults or namecalling. Does that mean mo more double standards?

    I answered the question. You can't be average if you have 200 wins on your resume. That would mean you certainly can't be below either.
    So now that 2 out of 3 are down... do the math!
     
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