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Novak Released! Wow

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by VenomSyndrome, Sep 5, 2015.

  1. VenomSyndrome

    VenomSyndrome Well-Known Member

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    Shock to me. I hope it doesn't bite us in the end.
     
  2. ETicket

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    13% touch back percentage was killing us. Worst in league. Next worst was 28%. Best was 74%.
    I like seeing them make some bold moves.
     
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  3. Fossil

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    I'm down with that. Hated those short kickoffs.
    In other news, we traded Sirles to Minnesota for sixth-rounder.
     
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  4. ChargerMike

    ChargerMike BoltBruthaFromAnuthMutha

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    Holy shizznit!!!
    Didn't see THAT coming!!!!!
     
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    gonzokrb Well-Known Member

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    YES! Don't get me wrong, Nick did some good for us but those short a** kickoffs were killing our special teams.
     
  6. Chaincrusher

    Chaincrusher BoltTalker

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    Yep. Nick was good on FGs, but the kickoffs were awful. Lambo looked really accurate in the preseason. I hope he keeps that up now that the games count.
     
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  7. Joy Division

    Joy Division Slightly-known Member

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    Lambo saw the opportunity. Seized it.
    Kid stepped up. I approve. for now.
     
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    boltssbbound Well-Known Member

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    Lambo has a chance to be great. He has not been a placekicker for that long, but he seems very accurate and he's got a strong leg.
     
  9. Pointyearedog

    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    It seems funny that the Chargers have a history of getting kickers from some of the oddest places. Like that Aussie rules football guy that the Bolts signed on as a punter.
     
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    Even more odd when you consider "that Aussie Rules guy" had retired from playing Aussie Rules and tried out on a whim whilst he was on his honeymoon in San Diego
     
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  11. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    Chargers going with young talent vs. veteran effectiveness. I hope this works out just fine and doesn't become a Carney for Wade Richey scenario.
     
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  12. chahjah

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    Classy Nick Novak
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    (Sorry idk how to embed a tweet)
     
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  13. Lance19

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    That's a great message by Novak.
    He was a true find, for the Chargers.
    And he (mostly) served us well.
    I wish him the very best.


    On a more controversial note, I wish Lambo hadn't posted on his Facebook page:
    "Well, I guess we know who God likes better, re. the all-important touchbacks! #chosen"
     
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  14. Slam

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    So...we signed a douche
     
  15. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    Because one is an outstanding person doesn't automatically mean the other is a douche
     
  16. Blitzy

    Blitzy Spanos Chargers Troll

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    I guess that Lance19's style of comedy isn't exactly for you!
     
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  17. Lancer 1

    Lancer 1 Eternal Optimist

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    Jason La Canfora tweeted out that Nick Novak on his way to New Orleans for a tryout with the Saints - good luck to him, I hope they sign him and appreciate what he did for us while a Charger, and especially his gracious, classy response after being let go in favor of an unproven (so far) rookie.

    He's at least good enough to deserve 1 out of the 32 NFL placekicking jobs, even if our coaches believe that we've replaced him with a better option going forward in Josh Lambo.
     
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  18. Chaincrusher

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    No doubt that Novak is one of the better FG kickers out there. Occasionally, teams do keep both a kickoff man and a FG kicker. Novak would be ideal as the FG kicker for such a team. Obviously, it was his kickoffs that proved to be his downfall with us.

    If Lambo can be as accurate as Novak on FGs, then Lambo represents an upgrade over Novak.
     
  19. Blue Bolt

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    No, Novak is not one of the better kickers in the league. I know we've accepted that fallacy as Chargers fans because he had a high percentage compared to past Chargers kickers, but compared to the rest of the league, he's really pretty average. And that's only taking his fieldgoal percentage into account. If you weigh in his touchback percentage, then he's much worse than average.

    Nick Novak's 84.6% fieldgoal average last season only ranks him at #14 in the league, out of 32 teams. Heck, the ancient one, 43 year old Adam Vinatieri had a 96.8% fieldgoal average. And he attempted 5 more fieldgoals than Novak did. Kinda puts Nick's average into perspective, doesn't it?

    Novak's touchback percentage was awful... a paltry 12.8%. The next worst kicker (Nick Novak) had a 30.4% touchback average. And remember, of Nick's 10 touchbacks last season, not a single one came in the 2nd half of the season. Our special teams unit had to field all of those kicks. Talk about wear and tear on your players. Novak was really hurting the team with his weak kickoffs.

    All this brings me back to Kevin Acee's brain-dead declaration..... Novak is the "obvious/only" choice to be the Chargers kicker..... boggles the mind. :confused: :rolleyes: :roflmao:
     
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  20. Lance19

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    I heard Redskins are gonna give Novak a HUGE contract to be their kickoff specialist...

    (if the Browns don't beat them to it!!)
     
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  21. Chaincrusher

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    I am with you on the kickoffs. Novak was dead last and I have been very clear in stating that is why he is rightfully not on the team any longer.

    However, in my view, your discussion of Novak's FG% is misleading. I believe Novak was sitting at over 90% until his holder (Scifres) became injured. After Novak had a new holder, his FG% went down. Sure, one can argue that correlation is not causation in terms of Novak's late season decreasing FG%, but my belief is that it was.

    Accordingly, my view remains that Novak is a significantly above average FG kicker, but a lousy kickoff man.
     
  22. Blue Bolt

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    OK, if you think the holder affected his kicking that much. But that's a big drop off from 90%. Even if he would've gotten closer to 90% with a healthy Scifres, his lack of touchbacks made him barely average overall.

    The importance of touchbacks can't be overlooked. Some analytics people (and players) say it's as important as fieldgoals when it comes to winning games. If Nick was around 90% in fieldgoal average, that would place him at #6 in the league last year. That's better than #14 certainly, but it still doesn't make up for being dead last in touchbacks, and last by a wide margin.
     
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    Actually, I quit wearing my Chargers socks on the day that Scifres was injured. With a replacement holder, Novak's numbers slumped. My bad.
     
  24. Chaincrusher

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    Upon further review, it appears that Novak went 2 for 5 without Scifres. He was 20 out of 21 with him, which is 95.2%.

    Again, nobody can say what would have happened had Scifres continued to be the holder, so it is not conclusive, but for such a dramatic drop off to occur at the same time as Novak loses his holder does at least make it look like there was a causal relationship there even though I would be the first to admit that correlation is not causation.

    Anyway, that's why I think Novak was a reliable FG kicker for us, but I remain entirely in your camp as to kickoffs--Novak was literally the worst in the league on kickoffs.

    I like the change to Lambo (because I think he is also accurate and his leg is clearly much stronger), but believe that if some other team adds Novak just to do FGs, that other team will not be disappointed with the results.
     
  25. Blue Bolt

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    The problem with linking causation, is that his zero touchbacks after the midpoint of the season clearly showed that his leg strength declined as the year went on. The change of holder certainly had some effect, but so did his tiring leg. He's never kicked 95% in his career, so I doubt he would've last year either, regardless of the holder.
     
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    as for the kicker discussion...I agree, I remember almost foaming at the mouth the second half of the season...I mean really...in the NFL we can't have a guy who can kick it into the end zone?

    Anyone remember that Baltimore game and field position? dear lord

    haha, went over my head. I spent an hour looking for Lambo's facebook!!
     
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    How is it that the coaching staff and front office guys could make this sort of hard nosed decision, yet keep D. Brown on the team? Inquiring minds want to know :confused:.
     
  28. Chaincrusher

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    Yeah, that's my biggest gripe regarding the entire roster (D. Brown). We let Ryan Mathews go and we kept D. Brown for more money for each of he next two seasons?! In no world can that be justified. Mathews very arguably would have been one of the 10 best players on our roster, top 15 at the very worst. Brown is not worthy of the final 53. That combination of moves makes no sense and cannot be justified.

    Novak was a difficult call in terms of his FG ability, but probably the right call if we are going to carry only one kicker that handles both kickoffs and FGs.
     
  29. Slam

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    I was listening to 1360 yesterday, and they we're scratching their heads for a reasonable answer.

    I heard one theory that given that we immediately lost two runningbacks last year. He's on for that reason. Also...that as the season progresses and RB's get injured...THEN they can trade him?

    He has dirt on the Spanos and they're keeping him around?


    My favorite was they were saying Brown is consistent. If you needed 2 yards, he gave you two yards. If you needed 4 yards, he gave you two yards. If you needed 6 yards, he gave you two yards. So maybe they'll keep him around for those two yard situations.


    Let's not forget the Charger's curse...there is a strong argument to say we just handed the Eagles a Super Bowl win, by giving away Matthews...although I don't think he played well enough as say, an Old Brees
     
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    While I have already agreed that correlation is not causation, I would tend to discount diminishing leg strength as a factor in the lack of touchbacks as the season progressed. I think touchbacks are less likely as the season progresses for all kickers due to weather changes (temperature and wind) in a number of cities.

    Also, even I were to subscribe to diminishing leg strength, that does not necessarily affect accuracy unless the kicker loses form to generate the necessary distance on the kick. I don't recall how long the late season misses were, but even with diminishing leg strength as you suggest, that is going to be a complete non-factor on any kick inside of 45 yards for an NFL kicker, even a comparatively weak legged one.

    Novak may not have kicked 95% had he continued with Scifres as his holder. He may have missed some of the FG attempts even with Scifres holding. We will never know. But I would not have attributed those misses to diminished leg strength.
     

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