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Odd, but correct, call brings confusion in S.D. game

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by T10, Nov 26, 2006.

  1. T10

    T10 BoltTalker

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2676820

    SAN DIEGO -- A moment of celebration by San Diego receiver Vincent Jackson turned into 10 minutes of confusion in the fourth quarter of the Chargers game with the rival Oakland Raiders.

    With the Chargers trailing 14-7 and facing fourth-and-2 from the Raiders 40, Jackson caught a 13-yard pass from Philip Rivers, rolled to the ground untouched, then stood up and spun the ball forward. Oakland's Fabian Washington jumped on the ball, believing it was a fumble, and setting off 10 minutes of confusion as the referees sorted it out.

    Referee Mike Carey originally signaled Oakland's possession, but then the Chargers were flagged for illegal forward pass. Even with the 5-yard penalty for the illegal pass, the Chargers still had a first down, at the 32.

    Four plays later, LaDainian Tomlinson threw a 19-yard touchdown pass to Antonio Gates to tie the game at 14.

    While the call was questioned on the field, NFL Supervisor of Officials Mike Pereira confirmed to ESPN's Chris Mortensen that the call was correct -- and not without precedent.

    It is illegal to intentionally fumble a ball forward and, by rule, an illegal forward fumble is an incomplete pass. That makes it a dead ball. A 5-yard penalty is then assessed from the spot.

    Jackson spinning the ball forward when he was not down by contact constituted an intentional illegal forward fumble and thus an illegal forward pass. Had he spun it backward, it would have been a live fumble.

    A similar call was made when Plaxico Burress did the same thing with the Steelers on Oct. 1, 2000.
     
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  2. Boltzzz

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    all I know is when I saw that I thought we were screwed, at least one good thing came from it, he will never do that again!!!!! :icon_toast:
     
  3. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    At the game this was chaotic. The refs awarded the ball no less than twice to each team and I am not sure the cameras caught all the confusion. The fans in the stadium did not have a clue. I thought it was taunting (flipping the ball) and the whistle had blown the play dead but there was no contact.

    Oh well - it took a long time for it to get sorted out. The offense and defense looked like yo-yo's going in and out of the game. Bizarre.
     
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    oh rest assured we'll never hear the end of this BS
     
  5. Trumpet_Man

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    Illegal contact is an automatic first down and 5 yards.
     
  6. BoltsFanUK

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    At least we had enough Yards still to make the 1st down
     
  7. Thumper

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    It was so loud in my section that I couldn't hear the ref's explaination each of the three or four times he explained. I had no clue at first, but someone pointed out to me that nobody touched VJ. I was at the other end of the field in the end zone, so I didn't have a good angle, but the replay looked correct, that he wasn't touched.

    It was kaos for a while until they sorted it out. Chargers defense was on the field, then the offense came back in, then the defense came back in, and finally the offense came in again. Very strange, play, but after reading the explaination, sounds like the refs got it right.
     
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    Stupid mistake by VJ. Clearly he thought Washington touched him on the way down and the play was over. Obviously, that was not the case.

    Kudos to the refs for actually getting this call right. It's not the first time I've seen it called in a game, so I knew the rule, no matter how bizarre the rule seems to be.

    I just love how the Turds are acting like they got absolutely screwed by this call. First, it was the right call. Second, it wasn't some great play on their part, just an incredibly stupid play by Jackson. The next play the Turds make in the 4th quarter will be the first.

    If anyone hasn't seen the footage of Warren Sapp's screaming fit at Jerry Magee, it's worth a look. Sapp's such a tool. :icon_banana:
     
  9. TCHDNSD

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    It's the same play essentially that Miami did against us in the 94 divisional game. The Miami guy was actually trying to forward lateral the ball, it hit the ground, we recovered, but Miami retained possesion. Illegal forward pass, 5 yard penalty, maintain possesion.
     
  10. SDSWEATHOGS

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    I thought it was a BS call, but nonetheless, the Chargers did what they had to do to win the game and thats what good teams do. But I can't help to think what could have happened if we would have gotten the ball back.
     
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    It was an obivous brain fart by VJ, however it did show the confidence that Cam/Rivers have in him to call his number on that very crititcal play. The rest of the nonsense that followed I could care less about.

    The only thing I care about is the W.

    What's that saying that the Raiders used to use back when they were good? Just win baby? :lol:

    Scoreboard, suckas.
     
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    Very true. It's all about what the scoreboard reads at the end of the game.
     
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    There was considerable confusion for us watchin it on TV, as well!!:icon_shrug: :icon_huh: :lol:
     
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    Fuq'em, let'em skweel
     

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