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Off Season House Cleaning Ahead

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Jan 7, 2012.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Chargers will clean house before remodeling




    We know who’s not going anywhere.
    Now we wait and see what moves Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith and Head Coach Norv Turner conspire to make in order to try to win enough to spare the axe again in 2013.
    It has for months been believed that the Chargers need a good tweaking, and the past week brought forth that acknowledgment from the men still entrusted with shaping a roster that last year started with cracks and quickly spring leaks.
    We have been told by Smith that there will be “significant personnel changes.”
    And Turner said, “There’s certainly going to be some real tough decisions with players.”
    Those can be one in the same, and they can also be separate movements.
    Before they address who is coming in, they have to decide who’s staying and who is not.
    Prior to fitting Robert Mathis into the front seven, they have to figure out who doesn’t fit anymore.
    In greater number than the Chargers usually have over the past decade, the team will say good bye to a number of familiar faces.
    Smith made sure to talk about how he has to find "better backups." So this isn't a complete list. But here are some significant spots where changes are probably coming, farewells to be considered before welcomes can be made:

    Defensive line
    The Luis Castillo era has almost certainly come to an end.
    The Chargers would have loved to have him in 2011, in part because Vaughn Martin would have been even better had he not had to play 629 snaps.
    But after Castillo broke his leg in the season opener the future was on display much of the year and especially late when Cam Thomas was in more beside fellow youngsters Martin and Corey Liuget.
    The Chargers paid Castillo $27.3 million over the past four seasons, and while it has been far from a waste, they don’t figure to give him another $4.9 million in 2012.
    There are decisions to be made at nose tackle. The Chargers are still uncertain whether Thomas is a bona fide starter. And given his health limitations they might not be serious contenders in the market for unrestricted free agent Antonio Garay.
    The decisions on two reserves – one a long-time Charger, one a recent addition, both with their roles – will be interesting. Nine-year veteran Jacques Cesaire is still a useful reserve and a leader, and Tommie Harris played well after being signed at the end of September.

    Offensive line
    On the other line, it could be like tearing down a house, keeping only the chimney and one wall.
    The talk going into 2011 was about their continuity, as the Chargers began the season with the same eight offensive linemen as they had in 2010. They could have just three of those back at the start of 2012.
    Left tackle Marcus McNeill’s neck will have to pass a team physical. Left guard Kris Dielman will decide, likely by mid-February whether it is prescient for him to continue playing after suffering a ooncussion and seizure midseason. Center Nick Hardwick is contemplating retirement at age 30, and is regardless an unrestricted free agent.

    Beyond that, longtime reserves and part-time starters Brandyn Dombrowski and Scott Mruczkowski are free agents and may have played out their usefulness here with Tyronne Green, Steve Schilling, Colin Baxter and Jared Gaither (if they can sign him) having shown they can step in.

    Running back
    Mike Tolbert has wanted to do a long-term deal here for more than a year. Now he will likely hit the market, meaning the Chargers are not entirely in control of how much he’ll cost or if he’ll remain.
    He’s not Darren Sproles. He’s just on a two-year run of showing how valuable he is to the offense and on kick coverage. Not signing him already could signal that the Chargers believe roly poly running backs are a dime a dozen (much like Smith felt the Chargers could move on effortlessly without Sproles).
    The Chargers likely make a strong play to keep unrestricted free agent Jacob Hester – perhaps more valuable on special teams than on offense.

    Kicker
    Nate Kaeding said he doesn’t expect there to be a competition between he and Nick Novak.
    There probably won’t be.
    That decision will be made soon, if it hasn’t already.
    The plan the past two years was for Kaeding to get one more shot at showing he can transfer his regular season accuracy into postseason reliability. That didn’t work out.
    After Kaeding tore knee ligaments and was placed on injured reserve, Novak made his first 12 field goal tries. He missed seven of his final 22 attempts, including two failures in a three-point loss to the Denver Broncos and a miss in a three-point defeat at Kansas City.
    The only question lies in Novak’s finish to the season, but it likely is not enough to deter the Chargers from going forward with a cheaper alternative.

    Defensive back
    It is time to close the wound that has been open since Rodney Harrison was sent packing after the 2002 season.
    That means no more risks (Bob Sanders) or reserves (Steve Gregory).
    Gregory is maybe the best special teamer and backup to start 22 games over the past two seasons. His contract is up and likely, too, his time in San Diego playing alongside best friend Eric Weddle.
    As far as front-line changes, that is likely it for this spring.
    The Chargers seem willing to maintain faith that whatever bothered cornerback Quentin Jammer had little to do with his legs and that Greg Manusky departing can help Antoine Cason clear his head. However, Marcus Gilchrist is waiting, and he was inserted at nickel in the finale in place of Dante Hughes.

    Tight end
    Randy McMichael was a godsend, but the Chargers have to decide whether he has another year in him or whether they turn to someone else. Part of that plan could be re-signing Kory Sperry.
    Depending on what they do in free agency to try to make the defense better, it would not be terribly shocking to see the Chargers draft a pass catching tight end high in the draft. Antonio Gates answered questions about whether the end is now, but it remains nearer than the beginning.

    Receiver
    We’ll end where the beginning of the offseason should be.
    Vincent Jackson has been waiting for a new contract practically for four years and has had almost every right to expect one for at least two years.
    The Chargers will likely commence contract talks next month, but there is no guarantee the sides will be able to agree even now that the hangovers of two DUIs and a labor uncertainty have subsided.
    Regardless, the Chargers will be in the market for a fourth receiver to replace Patrick Crayton.
     
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  2. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    Honestly, given the money he may command and AJ's uncanny ability to put faith in players he drafted to turn that 3rd-year corner, I wouldn't be shocked in the least to see us let Garay walk. Possibly not to commit outright to Cam as the starter, but to go with a "Sanders-ish/Keenan Forney-ish" signing for a guy that can rotate with Cam - and help continue to teach him. Top of my wishlist for that is actually Shaun Rogers - yes, I know his reputation, but if you're not asking him to play all 3 downs every snap of defense his productivity shoots markedly through the roof. Could look to someone like Aubrayo Franklin as well - I just happen to prefer Rogers because he can actually penetrate better and the idea of him and Martin on the same line could well mean that Liuget would be drawing single-blocks far more often.

    If we tag anyone, I'd give the inside track to Hardwick as he's the one we could least afford to lose - unless we want to spend a small fortune on one of the other FA options (Scott Wells, Chris Myers) or our #18 pick on Peter Konz (because there are 2, maybe 3 at most, center prospects in this draft class that could be capable of starting year one in our blocking scheme). A lot I think will depend on how long Hardwick drags out his decision on whether he's opting for retirement or not. Either way, I wouldn't expect him to sign much more than a 3 year deal.
     
  3. -Scar-

    -Scar- thedoomship.com

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    First thing first we need to make sure Jared Gaither stays on board. He could be the anchor and future of the O-line as far as I'm concerned.
     
  4. powayslugger

    powayslugger Feckless Slappy

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    Good analysis. I would like to see the bolts go back to using a "real" fullback in their system again. I think going with Hester as a "fullback light" has stalled our running game. Having another big body in there to help a little on the pass blocking sure wouldn't hurt either.

    Regarding TE... I wonder what Manamalu s doing these days now that Martz got fired in Chicago? He would solve (again) that big body TE we need.

    Also I think this is the year we see Jammer going to safety. He just didn't seem to be able to keep up with the WR this year... and made a bad habit of getting the PI calls on him... or getting beat.
     
  5. Ride The Lightning

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    BEEF
    Impact D players

    PLEASE
     
  6. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    Manu sat out this entire year with an injury that turned out to be more severe than originally though (knee I think, but I'm not certain - Edit: Just checked... arthroscopic surgery on his knee). If he's fit he's worth a look, as he fills that big body 2nd TE that can also motion back and line up as a lead-blocker role that would make retaining Hester (he's Norv's baby... I'm not saying he's going to get a huge contract, but he'll get retained if only on a Clary type of deal) at FB bearable.
     
  7. ThunderHorse17

    ThunderHorse17 Lone Wolf

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    Ill be back this WC game is gettin good again.
     
  8. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    interesting there's no talk of the linebackers
     
  9. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    Reminder with fullback, we do have Frank Summers who we stored on the PS all year and appears to FINALLY be fully healthy and ready to go
     
  10. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    LOL at Acee's comments on Hester. Tolbert is a bigger special teams player than Hester.
     
  11. ThunderHorse17

    ThunderHorse17 Lone Wolf

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    I was gonna say just this, cut him and move up Frank.

    That is interesting.
     
  12. boltfanatik

    boltfanatik Toxic Minority Member

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    It will be a Cluster**** AJ is still running the show!
     
  13. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    Hester, bye bye...... Hello Frank Summers.

    Don't worry, we've got Mouton coming back...... we're loaded at ILB. ;)
     
  14. ThunderHorse17

    ThunderHorse17 Lone Wolf

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    Im feelin that way too ILB is set for now. We do need to fatten the LB core in addition to bulking up the OLB pass rush.
     
  15. FCBolt

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    Mouton hasn't been 'here' yet ;)
     
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    In spirit, if not in body. ;)
     
  17. FCBolt

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    He'd better hit the gaps and angles in body. Cooper used to..in spirit ;)
     
  18. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    I don't even care about ILB, we at least have some players there and might need another depth person in FA. But with the exception of Barnes that entire OLB group needs some serious work. I'd even be up to trade Phillips for the simple reason his mouth and attitude are writing checks his body and play can't cash. Laboy is nothing more then depth and even if we added another OLB in the 1/2/3rd rounds, we'd need probably one more along with them in free agency
     
  19. FCBolt

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    Need depth at ILB and a starter once Spikes is done. The Mouton love is way out in front of the cart.
    Laboy is gone with Manusky.
    No question that SOLB is our biggest need.
     
  20. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    What does this quote mean?

    Is he just being sarcastic?
     
  21. Dublin Bolt

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    Yeah I've heard the Mathis rumours... but WTF about Acee up Hesters u know what. Gimme a break. I'm not saying Hester is useless he's not, he is a decent blocker as a FB but he is slow as F and Tolbert brings so much more. Don't gimme the special teams captain crap, Tolbert makes all the plays on STs, when did Hester last make a tackle and anyone notice how as soon as they put someone with gas in front of Goodman on KRs instead of Hester (in this case it was Gilchrist) we bring it back. Hester was so slow he was either getting in Goodman's way or not getting to his block before Goodman got there. Great guy and all but I say cast him loose. (oh and he's an Everton fan too, final nail in coffin)
     
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    maybe the answer lies in one of his answers to a recent mailbag question Matti ?

    I took the liberty of heightening the font size of the piece I found particulary interesting.

    Fingers crossed.
     
  23. Moses

    Moses Can You Stand The Rain?

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    Mathis would be a nice pickup, as a 4-3 DE would we be playing him as an OLB in our 3-4 if we got him?

    I'd also like to see Gregory back, i like his versatility, and as backups go he's very good, a good guy, and plays well on ST too. Even though he makes a fair bit, I'd like to see Luis back too, think people are a bit harsh on him. Keeping Gaither and Dielman, McNeill, Hardwick, would actually give us a pretty good o-line.
     
  24. AnteaterCharger

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    I dont' recall ever seeing him play OLB even in college at Alabama A&M (yes that's the school he went to). He has the size that he could do that, and it would add a great pass rusher to our collection. I question whether he can play OLB on the other downs. Taking a career DE and moving him outside is a tough thing to do (see Aaron Kampman and Mario Williams)
     
  25. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Good find.

    Mathis is a guy I could see making the transition easily.
     
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    Moses Can You Stand The Rain?

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    OK, well in the 3-4 that we play, where wouold you see Mathis potentially fitting in if we did pick him up? The reason I suggested OLB if because he's a little on the small side to be a 3-4 end isn't he?
     
  28. AnteaterCharger

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    No he'd have to be an OLB no other location to play him, I just don't know if it'll work
     
  29. The LBC

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    If we run a 3-4 Over, which is what Pagano's brother implemented in Baltimore, then Mathis is a great fit because he'd "technically" be listed as an OLB (just as Suggs is listed as an OLB) but he'd be lining up looking like he was part of a four downed-lineman set and be rushing the passer on 90% of the defensive plays - it's a similar position to what Carroll utilizes in Seattle with Chris Clemons which he calls the LEO position.

    Cliff Avril's someone else to consider, but he could well cost 1 1/2 times as much as Mathis would on the open market.
     
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    A good example of designing the D to fit the players. I think the Chiefs do this with Hali as well.
     

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