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On further review, Norv not challenged

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Johnny Lightning, Sep 2, 2008.

  1. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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    By Kevin Acee

    September 2, 2008

    Last September and October, Union-Tribune Chargers writer Kevin Acee's mailbag on chargers.uniontrib.com was overflowing with submissions expressing outrage about Norv Turner. Recently, some of those so disgusted by Turner early last season were contacted and asked via e-mail if their opinions of Turner had changed.


    What do you think of him now? Evidently, while the thoughts are a lot more positive, it's not all good.Depending on who is asked, Norv Turner was either judged prematurely and/or unjustly, or he's still a lousy or average coach lucky enough to be at the helm of a good team.

    Last September, fan Pasquale Cione wrote this:
    “Norv Turner couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag! What a joke of a head coach! He's a loser . . . plain and simple. Poor game management and bad play calling. This team is playing soft with no heart or intensity. That falls on not only the players but the coaches also.”
    Some 11 months later, asked about that submission, Cione wrote this: “I'm just now finishing my serving of humble pie along with a side dish of crow that I've been more than happy to eat since the end of last year's NFL playoffs. To start 2007 1-3, then finish the season with 8 straight wins, (No.) 3 seed in AFC playoffs, and go toe to toe with the Patriots for 3½ quarters undermanned . . . YES! . . . great coaching job by Norv Turner . . . ” Fans' discontent with Turner (not to mention General Manager A.J. Smith and defensive coordinator Ted Cottrell) reached its apex around Sept. 30, the day the Chargers lost at home to the Kansas City Chiefs to fall to 1-3.

    Darbe L. Rotach wrote on Oct. 1: “Do you think we'll see any coaching personnel changes on the Chargers by the seventh-week bye? I expect the Bolts to lose both, or at least one of the next two games. Considering what they accomplished over the last few years, that doesn't seem acceptable. At least not in the GM's eyes. Do you think he has the (guts) to admit he messed up and make an immediate change with the coaching staff? Also, is it possible that (Bill) Cowher, (Bill) Parcells, or maybe (Mike) Martz be given a coaching/GM type offer to come to SD?”
    Asked last month in an e-mail how felt about Turner, Rotach responded: “I feel great about Norv now! He really proved himself in '07, when all was said and done.”
    Rotach was among dozens, if not hundreds, of fans who wrote to ask for/suggest/demand a coaching change.
    And firing Turner then would be one of the nicer things proffered. Many of the suggestions were unprintable, either online or in a newspaper.
    “AJ, Norv, Ted should be tarred, feathered and run out of town,” Don Bradley wrote. “How do you take one of the best football teams in America and create this mess?”
    Bradley responded in all capital letters – “OUCH” – when asked if his feelings had changed.
    “ . . . My feelings about Norv . . . hmm, well I will have to testify that he has done a great job and got them turned around and playing as a team,” Bradley continued in lower case. “Nothing like eating crow for a noonday sandwich, but glad to do it.”
    Not everyone is willing to entirely flip. There seems to be reluctance by some to fully embrace and credit a coach with a 69-87 career record.
    Josh Williams wrote last year to complain about Turner being “inept” and about his “awful play calling.”
    Williams wrote recently: “I still believe that the Chargers have A+ talent and B-coaching, but clearly Norv has redeemed himself in the second half of last year . . . Yes, we (fans) do have a short fuse. I thought the chanting for Marty was ridiculous, but Norv deserved some of the grief he got early in the season. Given the Chargers' level of talent – if Turner does not make it deep into the playoffs and hopefully to the SB I think we will rightfully be irritated . . . All-in-all, Turner did a good but not great job last year – he had the most talented team in the NFL and did reasonably well. However this year will be more telling, in terms of Norv's ability as a coach, as there are no excuses about being a first-year coach and if the team sputters like it did last year in the first half of the season, I am sure there will be renewed cries for coaching changes.”
    Brent Howard had written facetiously last Oct. 1, “Since Marty probably isn't available or doesn't want the job, do you think that we could lure Mike Riley away from Oregon State?”
    He still has his doubts.
    “I do feel that Norv Turner got very lucky and inherited an immensely talented team,” Howard wrote recently. “I think that Norv is an excellent offensive coordinator, but I don't believe he is head coach material. I just don't see him as a great motivator. Maybe I'm wrong.”
    Maybe it will take another deep run into the playoffs for folks like Howard.
    Clearly, a year can change a lot of opinions.
    Jess Norris acknowledged that.
    He wrote last Oct. 1, “What are the chances the Chargers will fire Norv Turner and his entire coaching staff sometime tonight or tomorrow? They might as well, and get an early start on next season. This one is finished.”
    Second thoughts were practically dripping from his e-mail a couple of weeks ago, as he offered this perspective: “I had forgotten this. The short memory of a fan is certainly evident here . . . I was wrong about Norv Turner. I think he pulled things together in the end, though I don't know how he did it. I'm glad they didn't fire him.”
     
  2. TheLash

    TheLash Well-Known Member

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    They must have misplaced B4L's email....:icon_tease:
     
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  3. foober

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    NOrv's expertise is offense. Now if cottrell would just be more secretive on what were gonna do on defense we should cake walk into the super bowl.

    Something I've thought for a while. Marty should have just been a defensive coodinator. Might have been one of the best ever if thats all he'd have stuck to. But he had this mindset of being so conservative. Which would have been great for a defensive coach.
     
  4. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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    Wouldn't you just like to force feed some crow down some peoples throats...


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  5. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    He's earned a reprieve from that sort of response
     
  6. Aggieman

    Aggieman I bleed blue and gold

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    Well, the Jets have A Schottenheimer as their D-coordinator.
     
  7. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    Back to Back Super Bowl Wins IS an Absolute Must!!!
    Look at this team!!! It doesn't take a Vince Lombardi to accomplish it!!!

    SO DO IT, NORV!!!!
    :bolt:
     
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  8. Aggieman

    Aggieman I bleed blue and gold

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    Hold on there...we need to win ONE before we start taalking about repeating.
     
  9. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard Charger fan at 7000'

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    After the first 500, they probably just put him on some kind of kill filter.
     
  10. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    I disagree. This team is too good for only one!!!
    I mean, where are we lacking?


    The way I see it...
    No Super Bowl title = completely wasted era!!!
    One Super Bowl title = That's good but we're not the 2002 Bucs. Our talent is still young.
    Two Super Bowl titles = Completed era!!! :bolt:
     
  11. BFISA

    BFISA Well-Known Member

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    It's called ignore...works purty good, actually.
     
  12. BoltzRule

    BoltzRule Well-Known Member

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    We can win 2 SBs without it being back to back. A lot of things need to go right for that to happen, sometimes having the best talent isn't enough.
     
  13. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    Having the best talent and a coach will make it happen.
    If Shanahan can do it, Norv should be able to do it!!!
     
  14. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what all the hub-bub is about,

    Why the hell can't we as fans have high expectations?

    I expect a SB title, anything else is a disappointment.


    And, if I think Norv is or is not holding us back from that then why can't I express my opinion?


    :icon_shrug:


    If we don't win the SB soon,


    I'll challenge everything and everyone from the top down


    :bolt::bolt::bolt:
     

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