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Opening game WAS not yet a sell out

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Sep 6, 2011.

  1. DenverBolt67

    DenverBolt67 BoltTalker

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    On TV, yes. But not when people are thinking about whether to spend $100 on a ticket. Sorry man, but when this team has a couple below .500 years in a row, and it will happen at some point, the fans will NOT show up. They didn't even show up for the 1st couple games last year
     
  2. ViennaLager

    ViennaLager FC Eintracht Bamberg Smokey Beers

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    And like I said... a new beautiful stadium downtown will cure these problems.
     
  3. Pointyearedog

    Pointyearedog I love the smell of football in the morning.

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    The only real cure that fills those seats. Winning.
     
  4. DenverBolt67

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    Only temporarily, see Petco Park. And if ticket prices go up, the new stadium feeling will wear off quicker
     
  5. DenverBolt67

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    Agree, but just like most teams, they are bound to have a few down years at some point, probably not until Rivers is gone, but it will come
     
  6. Buck Melanoma

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    A new park paid for by yet more rich folks' taxpayer-funded subsidies?

    When the Spanos family decides to invest appropriately in what they stand to reap, I'll support a new stadium. Until then, they can stuff their bankroll where the sun don't shine.
     
  7. DenverBolt67

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    Like Petco that all studies have shown is more than paying for itself?
     
  8. ViennaLager

    ViennaLager FC Eintracht Bamberg Smokey Beers

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    Trying to compare baseball to football sell outs is unreasonable by all standards.
     
  9. Buck Melanoma

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    Why should already financially stressed taxpayers have to wait for an investment to pay off? And what says that the manner in which it pays off will be off any benefit to all who are financially affected?

    Nope - they wanna reap the rewards of increased revenues & team value, let them put their money where their mouth is. No more "entitlements" for these fucks.
     
  10. ViennaLager

    ViennaLager FC Eintracht Bamberg Smokey Beers

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    Well if Mr Brown is successful is transferring the "re-development" funds to the State of CA general funds, then it gets real difficult to find funding for a new stadium. I think the Supreme Court will reverse what Mr Brown is tyring to do. As long as a mix of re-devlopment funds, Spano's funds, NFLG3* (whatever its called now), stadium naming rights, this will be enough to fund a new stadium, but those re-development dollars are really needed.
     
  11. DenverBolt67

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    Not talking about sellout. I am talking about how attendance is down 10k per game from the season Petco opened, and tickets are even cheaper now then they were then.

    Fact is, fans in SD only support their teams when they are winning. SDSU gets ignored every year until the once in a while that they have a good season. Padres don't get supported when they are not winning, and Chargers have always had issues when they are not winning.
     
  12. ViennaLager

    ViennaLager FC Eintracht Bamberg Smokey Beers

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    It's practically impossible, and more important, "Unrealistic" for ANY NFL owner to fully pay for a stadium themselves, while the city reaps rewards for the stadium being there.
     
  13. Buck Melanoma

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    Bullshit. They're such astute businessmen, they can figure out a way. Once again .... screw the entitlements for the rich.
     
  14. Workplay

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    You guys need to talk to your friends about supporting their LOCAL team, especially if their from Southern California! I would be there if I was in San Diego, but I'll be at the Falcons@Bears game instead. Count me in for the Packers and Raiders games in November!
     
  15. ViennaLager

    ViennaLager FC Eintracht Bamberg Smokey Beers

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    Name me 1 NFL owner that has done this.
     
  16. Buck Melanoma

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    I'm not saying that one has. I AM saying that, based upon much of what was being bandied about by the owners during the recent lockout regarding risks, investment, overhead, etc. & the fact that many of these teams have gained enormous equity over the years, perhaps owners should look to pony up a lot more of the investment capital since they will reap the rewards of increasing value.

    We've seen just what the NFL fan means in this arena .... not much. Why should a taxpayer who ISN'T an NFL fan be burdened by a bond, tax, or other funding vehicle just to assist the owner in making more money & increasing the value of his property?

    There are plenty of corporate hot-shots crowing about their leadership, entrepreneurial skills, etc. in the world today who will crap on Joe Friday but not hesitate to ask for public assistance in an investment. Screw 'em. They wanna make money, let them dig up the capital sans taxpayer. I don't care if it sets a precedent or not. Otherwise, turn the team into a publicly owned entity like GB.
     
  17. ViennaLager

    ViennaLager FC Eintracht Bamberg Smokey Beers

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    That's why I said its "unrealistic" since no other owner has done that. I understand your point, that you don't want taxpayers to pay for it.

    Re-development funds(CCDC) are taxes that have already been paid by taxpayers, not future taxes to be paid. They were available until Moonbeam decided to fraudulently take away the funds (now with the Supreme Court to decide if moonbeams actions were illegal). Once we get the re-development funds, no new taxes will be needed.
     
  18. Buck Melanoma

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    I've never seen where that has been stated. Redevelopment monies have certainly been looked at quite favorably as part of the funding, but I've never read where those funds would ensure no new form(s) of taxes or bonds. If someone can show me that statement, I'd love to see it.

    Perhaps I've taken this thread far enough off-track? I've obviously made my point, no need to belabor it.

    Cheers. :)
     
  19. SDRaiderH8er

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    We do not have enough Charger fans in this city that wants to keep them. When the new stadium comes down to a vote in this city, I am afraid it will fail. There are more people in San Diego who are anti Chargers than pro Chargers. We can’t even sell the home opener out. And don’t tell me the economy is bad, the casinos in this town are FULL every single weekend.
     
  20. ViennaLager

    ViennaLager FC Eintracht Bamberg Smokey Beers

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    If you can lend me a day or two, I can definitely get this info to you.
     
  21. Buck Melanoma

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    By all means. Thanks.
     
  22. DenverBolt67

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    That doesn't appear to be true, based on the info on the CCDC's website.
    http://www.ccdc.com/about-us/financial-information/overview.html
    TAX INCREMENT FINANCING​
    Tax increment is redevelopment's major financial "tool." Upon adoption of a redevelopment project, the assessed valuation of land within the project boundaries determines the "base year value." Completed improvements result in an increase in the property values within the project area. The difference between the "base year value" and the new higher value following the property's improvement is called "tax increment." These funds are utilized to accomplish a variety of qualified private and public improvements within adopted project areas. Tax increment funding cannot be used for operations, maintenance and services.​

    I see nothing there that says it is previously collected money. It sounds to me like it is saying the money is based on future tax collections based on the improved property value that the project would create.

    By the way, I support funding like this. Just pointing out what the CCDC themselves say
     
  23. DenverBolt67

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    If the vote gets opened up to the county, it will pass by a land slide. But if it is a SD city vote, the transient community will turn it down
     
  24. ViennaLager

    ViennaLager FC Eintracht Bamberg Smokey Beers

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    Your mis-reading what it says, and I guess I needed to be more clear.

    Part of the property tax that property owners pay go to re-development funds (usually between 2-10%). This is not extra taxes, just part of the normal property tax you would already pay anyways. The re-development agencies cannot spend what has not been collected... period. No funds = no spending. You should see the amount of re-development money that Moonbeam is trying to put back into the General Funds.... over a billion. The incremental tax increase is when property values increase (a good thing for the property owner), they can put more of the increased value into the re-devleopment funds. Here again, this is not extra tax, just normal property value tax you would have to pay anyway for in the increased value of your property.

    Since property owners will ALWAYS pay property tax, the amount of re-development $$$ available increases. When I said no additional taxes, I meant no "extra" taxes beyond what you would normally pay for.

    http://www.lao.ca.gov/analysis/2011/realignment/redevelopment_020911.aspx

    http://www.lao.ca.gov/analysis/2011/realignment/redevelopment_020911.aspx
     
  25. ViennaLager

    ViennaLager FC Eintracht Bamberg Smokey Beers

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    Now there is something we can agree on. We are all trying to get this vote opened up county-wide, as there, we have a chance at it passing.
     
  26. Workplay

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    I just met a guy from San Diego who said he was a Colts fan. I argued with him about not supporting his home team, and he said he didn't like the Chargers because they traded Michael Turner and fired Marty.
     
  27. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Ah... Well who doesnt hate the Chargers for that... :rolleyes:
     
  28. Dublin Bolt

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    Firing Marty I was happy with. In hindsight letting the Burner walk was a mistake. But I understand why they stuck by LT at the time.
     
  29. matilack

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    Good lord I can't stand people these days, what a chilish reason not to like a team, and I've heard stupid stuff like that from people myself. The NFL is a business, people who don't understand that either don't work themselves or have simply never been fired or layed off. We couldn't afford MT, and Marty was clashing with the front office and tried to get his son hired as the OC which would have made the situation even more volatile.

    Long run maybe it'd have been better to turn our back on the greatest Charger in history (after his 2nd strait rushing title) and pay a completely unproven 26yr old 35 million to be our bell cow, but the city of San Diego would have burned AJ at the stake for it. Anyone who doesn't believe that is playing revisionist history.

    I hope you rolled your eyes at this idiot Workplay.
     
  30. SDRaiderH8er

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    dont get me wrong I would love to see that also. I am celebrating my 30th year as a season ticket holder this year. and I want to be around for another 30, which means I am half way there.
     

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