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Discussion in 'All Other Sports' started by wrbanwal, Apr 9, 2009.

  1. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    The size of San Diego is not the driving force, it's the market size.

    San Diego is the 6th or 7th biggest city in the United States, however San Diego ranks something like 28 or 29 in market size.

    It's all about how far they can reach out.

    A city like St Louis is a big market, for instance, because what's around St Louis? (Besides KC) People in Arkansas are Cardinals fans because they don't have a team to root for, for instance.

    Meanwhile, San Diego is blocked by Arizona to the east, Mexico to the South, the Pacific ocean to the west, and the Nation's 2nd largest Market to the north.

    We're pretty much limited to San Diego and Imperial counties, which is why the San Diego market is so small despite the size of the central City.

    That being said, being a small market should not be an excuse for mediocrity, simply an explanation as to why they have to take chances that other teams might not have to and why they can't sign "big name" free agents every year.
     
  2. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    They'd finish with the best record in baseball....and then get blown out of the playoffs in 3 games. :icon_rofl:
     
  3. wrbanwal

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    I've read all these arguments before. The fact is, you put a good product on the field and people will support the team. And not just one or two good years. They need to bring a higher level of quality to SD fans. And on a consistent basis. I just hope the new ownership takes notice, they have a new stadium, a good fan base and plenty of areas to draw from.

    :tup:
     
  4. LV Bolt Fan

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    I'd take that right now! :icon_rofl:
     
  5. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you.

    Like I said "small market" is not an excuse, simply a reason why the approach has to be different than that of, say, the Dodgers, Cubs, or Yankees.
     
  6. wrbanwal

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    true, but how many World Series have the above teams won in the last 10 years?

    2. and both were the yanks

    It's not about the money. There is no reason why SD can't compete on the same level as the the AZ's, Phils, and Marlins of the world

    I'll give you one more example, look at Detroit. I live in Michigan, the unemployment rate is closing in on 15%. But yet, they compete. Every year. Now it's true the Ford's throw a hella lot of money at them but point being, it's not about the market.
     
  7. HollywoodLeo

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    Like I said, it's not an excuse. you're preaching to the choir.

    Just because the Padres are doing it wrong doesn't mean there isn't a fundamental difference between how a small market club needs to build a winner and how a large market club can.

    And say what you will about how many WS those teams have won, they're ALWAYS in the playoff race.

    Just because they don't win it all every year doesn't mean the ability to spend 100s of millions a year on payroll has no effect on the game.
     
  8. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    truer words were never spoken.


    But I'm still not going to buy into SD being a small market.


    going by your earlier measurement then Detroit is a smaller market than SD.

    They are blocked by Canada to the East, the Great Lakes North, South, and West. Chicago has two teams 3 hours away and Cleveland to the South

    and I suspect they aren't in the top 20 in population.

    Ont thing I would like to know is, who makes up these figures about market size?

    :icon_huh:
     
  9. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    You don't have to buy it, it's a fact of life.

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/baseball_markets.shtml

    Detroit is a much bigger metro area than San Diego, their metro area population is twice as big.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

    They might not have a lot around them, but they have a lot more in the area itself than San Diego does.
     
  10. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    those stats are 10 years old and take into account a much bigger area that metro SD.

    Trust me Leo, SD is way bigger, metro or not.
     
  11. HollywoodLeo

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    The table I linked you is ranked with 2008 numbers. It lists 2000 populations, but the table is ordered with the 2008 stats.

    Here's estimates as of 2 weeks ago (estimates)

    http://geography.about.com/od/lists/a/csa2005.htm

    1) New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA - 21,976,224
    2) Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA - 17,775,984
    3) Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI - 9,725,317
    4) Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV - 8,211,213
    5) Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH - 7,465,634
    6) San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA - 7,228,948
    7) Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD - 6,382,714
    8) Dallas-Fort Worth, TX - 6,359,758
    9) Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX - 5,641,077
    10) Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL - 5,478,667
    11) Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL - 5,463,857
    12) Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI - 5,410,014
    13) Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ - 4,039,182
    14) Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA - 3,876,211
    15) Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI - 3,502,891
    16) Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO - 2,927,911
    17) San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA - 2,941,454
    18) Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH - 2,917,801
    19) St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL - 2,858,549
    20) Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL - 2,697,731
    21) Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA - 2,462,571
    22) Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Truckee, CA-NV - 2,211,790
    23) Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC - 2,191,604
    24) Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA - 2,137,565
    25) Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN - 2,147,617
    26) Orlando-The Villages, FL - 2,053,623
    27) Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS - 2,034,796
    28) Indianapolis-Anderson-Columbus, IN - 1,984,644
    29) Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH - 1,953,575
    30) San Antonio, TX - 1,942,217
     
  12. wrbanwal

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    The bottom line is that SD ownership/management are not doing the right thing. small market or otherwise. They got their new stadium, they said they would field a competitive team. They lied.

    two western division titles in 10 years doesn't count.

    :tdown:
     
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    Agreed; they put forth a ****** effort to put a professional product out there. This team is ran like crap; oh how I wish we had competent management... oh well we suck.
     
  14. HollywoodLeo

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    While I agree with you regarding the present, they fielded a competitive team for the first 4 years that PetCo was open.

    The last 10 years is skewing the stats, PetCo has only been open for 6 years now and they had a competitive team for 4 of those 6 years. You can't say they lied from the onset because nobody promised a World Series winner. (and anyone who does is a foolish moron) they promised a competitive team and that's what they gave us from 2004 through 2007.

    It wasn't until Moores got into divorce proceedings that they quit trying to field a competitive team.

    Hopefully (and I'm not holding my breath) when Moorad takes over things will change back for the better.
     
  15. wrbanwal

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    You're right. The last 10 years do skew the stats. Our team has sucked since 1969. The PCL Padres in Westgate park were the only teams worth watching

    Look at our ownership.

    C. Arnholt Smith - Loser
    Ray & Joan Kroc - Winner
    Tom Werner - UBER LOSER!!
    John Moores/Larry Lucchino - winner except the last few years

    :unsure:
     
  16. HollywoodLeo

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    The Padres hardly have a storied franchise, but anything prior to 2004 is irrelevant to the claim that they didn't keep their promise after opening the new stadium.
     
  17. wrbanwal

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    why? The Murph served them well in it's heyday
     
  18. HollywoodLeo

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    The claim was that they lied to us when they said they would field a competitive team with the new ballpark.

    Anything that happened before the new ballpark was put in play is irrelevant to that claim.

    They gave us a competitive team for the first 4 years of PetCo....then John Moores got into divorce proceedings and everything went to hell.
     
  19. LV Bolt Fan

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    Look at you last owner (pair). :yes:
    Look at what happened after Larry left for Boston. :icon_eek:
     
  20. wrbanwal

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    Competitive?

    87–75 maybe
    82-83 no
    88-74 no
    89-74 yes
    63-99 no way


    409-405

    I guess if you consider a .500 record competitive then yes, he did that
     
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  21. HollywoodLeo

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    They were in the playoff hunt all 4 years. That's competing.

    Were the Chargers not competitive last year?

    And the 63-99 record is irrelevant to my claim because my claim was that they were competitive the first 4 years, not the first 5 years.

    edit: I also find it ironic that your two "no"s are the two years they won the division, and your "maybe" and "yes" are the two years they missed the playoffs. I also find it weird that 1/2 a game seems to be the difference between "competitive" and "not competitive" :icon_huh:
     
  22. wrbanwal

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    I was drunk.



    throw out the 99 loss season and you are correct, sir.


    :icon_toast::icon_toast:


    I've grown up hoping the Pads play .500 ball


    they've never won 100 and we can probably count 90 on one hand, but you're right, the past is the past. We should ignore it so we can be doomed to repeat it
     
  23. HollywoodLeo

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    Moorad says he plans on a 70-80 mil payroll when he's in full control.
     
  24. wrbanwal

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    well, give the boys of summer credit. There's no quit in them.

    :tup:
     
  25. wrbanwal

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    Damn, I thought they would lose 100 games. They have surpassed my wildest expectations


    Good on the kids for not quitting.


    :icon_toast::icon_toast:
     
  26. Boltz

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    this team is on a roll of late, when was the last time we LOST a series?
     
  27. HollywoodLeo

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    It's a sad state of affairs when we're giddy about climbing into 4th place. :icon_rofl:
     
  28. BoltFanDC

    BoltFanDC Objects In Mirror Are Closer Than They Appear...

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    Small victories, man. Take what you can get.

    My Nats have no hope moving up... :no:
     
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    And no hope of bailing you out of a bet neither...:yes:
     
  30. SDRaiderH8er

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    its better than being in last place
     

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