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Parcells to Atlanta

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Electric Chair, Dec 19, 2007.

  1. Electric Chair

    Electric Chair Well-Known Member

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    Per Chris Mortenson, ESPN

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3160597

    Bill Parcells said Wednesday that he likely will accept the Atlanta Falcons' offer to become the team's vice president of football operations.

    "I'm pretty sure I'm going to do it. [Owner] Arthur [Blank] and I have had some pretty constructive discussions. I basically will oversee the football operations. We'll meet today -- not in Atlanta -- and work out some of the final details but I don't think there's any deal breakers here," Parcells said.

    Parcells said he has no plans to return to coaching.

    "Arthur wants to rebuild the football operation. I'll hire a general manager and then we'll hire a coach. We'll do this together, the GM, the coach and myself. The coach absolutely will not be Bill Parcells. All this happens if we finalize this thing, which I expect to do."

    Asked about a potential GM and coach, Parcells said, "I've got a list but that's all I'm saying."

    Parcells added that current GM Rich McKay would be asked to stay aboard but that "I don't really know how he feels about that."

    Blank has informed McKay that he will not return in the same role, even though the owner wants McKay to remain as the team's president, sources said.

    Blank's talks with Parcells evolved from an advisory role into a firm offer to rebuild his football operation, sources said.

    Blank could not be reached for comment.

    Parcells, an ESPN NFL analyst, also has had limited dialogue with the Miami Dolphins about a similar role but the talks with the Falcons have been more urgent, a league source said.

    McKay is out as general manager, sources said, even if Parcells does not join the Falcons. However, Blank has asked McKay to remain as the team's president to oversee short-range and long-range stadium plans and continue as a valuable liaison with the league.

    It is uncertain if McKay would accept a new role with the Falcons. He also is co-chairman of the league's competition committee.

    If Parcells declines his offer, Blank still will hire a new general manager or he could give personnel control to the new head coach, sources said.

    Blank has acted with urgency since Bobby Petrino resigned as coach on Dec. 12th. He spoke with Bill Cowher on Friday when the former Steelers coach told the owner that he had no plans to return to the sidelines in 2008, sources said.

    The Falcons owner also consulted with Cowboys owner Jerry Jones concerning Parcells, who resigned in January after four years as the Dallas coach. Jones credited Parcells with the franchise's turnaround at a point the Cowboys had suffered through three consecutive 5-11 seasons.

    There is added irony in that Jones was an unofficial emissary for the University of Arkansas, his alma mater, who first relayed to Blank the school's interest in Petrino.
     
  2. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    What do people think of that? Is Parcells all that?

    It may be a good PR move, something to take the taste MV left in the fans mouth away.
     
  3. mandude

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    The guy obviously know football. And while his drive to be a superbowl winning coach might be gone, I am sure his instincts for personel and players is invaluable. It was rumored he might take the same role in Maimi next year, so this doesn't surprise me. It seems like a smart move on both sides. His coaching days are obviously over, but I think any team would be lucky to have them in their staff.
     
  4. in_a_days

    in_a_days dgaf

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    Well Patrino and Vick were Blank's guys and clearly two HUGE wiffs. Acquiring Parcells does, all the sudden, give them the appearance of stability and integrity. I think The Tuna is an excellent talent evaluator and motivator. How that translates to being vice president of football operations, or how much that position is going to actually influence their on the field performance, I do not know.
     
  5. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    I wonder if Marty and Bill could co-exist. :icon_shrug:
     
  6. SanDiegoRon

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    yeah, I think he is... he did turn around Dallas, drafting verrrry well during his tenure, and Wade is seeing the results... he did well with other teams... well see....

    what no Marty, as coach???
     
  7. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    Marcellus "Loud Mouth" Wiley was on Mike & Mike this morning (ESPN Radio) implying that Parcells wasn't responsible for Dallas' current success. While it's true that he didn't want TO, most of that team is made up of "Parcells Guys". He'd definitely be the right man in Charge for ATL.
     
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  8. boltssbbound

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    I think Parcells is a good talent evaluator, even if he is a bit overrated. Remember, this is the guy who stubbornly stuck with Bledsoe last year when everyone inside and outside the Cowboys organization was calling for Romo.
     
  9. AnteaterCharger

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    If Wiley said the sky's blue I'd immediately say it was green. I wouldn't trust that loud mouthed piece of **** further then I could kick him.

    At the very least this gives Falcon fans a reason to be energized and happy again
     
  10. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard Charger fan at 7000'

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    I can't stand that jerkoff. That guy was stealing money from the Chargers for years, ripping teammates, taking shots at the organization after he left.

    This bit sealed it for me:

    Eisen: Now when Eli Manning was saying that during the draft, or it came out that Eli Manning had told the Chargers, "Do not pick me," were you sitting on your couch somewhere nodding your head silently?

    Wiley: Nodding my head and smiling ear to ear. "Go ahead Eli, say it for me now!"


    F*ck that idiot!
     
  11. Showmeyourbolt

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    These teams are stupid. We all know that they should hire Buddy Nix as GM, luckily, know one seems interested in him
     
  12. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    Not so fast.

    The Tuna apparently was not the only one using Arthur Blank as his biitch.

    The Tuna to the Dolphins?

    Stay tuned.

    http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

    POSTED 3:19 p.m. EST, December 19, 2007

    TUNA JILTS FALCONS!

    The Atlanta Falcons have announced that their pursuit of Bill Parcells has ended. Here's the text of the statement from the team:

    "Late last night it was revealed to the media by a source outside the Falcons that we were close to reaching an agreement with Bill Parcells to lead the club’s football operations.

    "Prior to the information becoming public, we had reached an agreement in principle with Parcells, and we met with him this morning to complete the contract. At that time, we were made aware by Parcells that he was considering a revised offer from the Miami Dolphins. He later informed us that he would not be signing a contract with us.

    "We remain committed to looking at every option for building a championship-caliber team for our fans. I have stated we will leave no stone unturned in doing so, and this effort is one example of that. We gave it our best shot, and it didn’t work out.

    "We will continue down the same overall path, proceeding with plans to hire a general manager and a head coach. We will identify and consider every strongly viable candidate for these positions, with the goal of hiring the best. Rich McKay remains President of the club and will retain general manager responsibilities until a new GM is hired.

    "We will be making no further comment on the Parcells matter."

    For McKay, it's deja vu all over again. In 2002, Parcells backed out on a deal with the Bucs when McKay was the G.M. in Tampa.

    If Parcells lands with the Fins, he'll be in direct competition with his son-in-law, Scott Pioli, who serves as the V.P. of player personnel with the Patriots.

    POSTED 3:06 p.m. EST, December 19, 2007

    MIAMI MAKING A RUN AT PARCELLS?

    There's a building buzz in league circles that, with each passing moment that Bill Parcells isn't named as the new executive vice president of the Atlanta Falcons, there's a growing chance that it won't happen.

    Some league insiders believe that Parcells is talking to Miami as he negotiates with the Falcons, and that the Tuna could end up in the net with the Dolphins.

    It's all speculation at this point, but it makes sense that the Fins would make a run at Parcells, and that he would listen.
     
  13. boltssbbound

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    Man, Arthur Blank is just getting punked by everyone. Parcells is a douche. If you agree to something in principle, honor the agreement. Don't go back to Miami and use the Falcons agreement as leverage. Parcells has no honor or loyalty. He's a brash, rude, arrogant loudmouth who has never won a damn thing without Belichick.
     
  14. Trumpet_Man

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    There is a basic tenent in business.

    Loyalty is ONLY as thick or thin as your wallet.

    An agreement in principle is not a contract unless there has been some sort of exchange of consideration (generally money).

    It is not the same as Parcell's giving his word by any stretch.

    They met and agreed to a basic framework and that is all it says.

    It does not commit anyone to **** nor questions his ethics. It is smart to guage his value in the league and if he did not, Parcells would be a fuking idiot.
     
  15. SanDiegoRon

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    well,.... that'll make for an interesting Xmas dinner with the in-laws... :lol:
     
  16. SanDiegoRon

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    maybe he just wants to punk Belichick...:lol:
     
  17. Kwak

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    Marcia is a pile of **** who rode the on the back of Bruce Smith. Once he didn't have Smith drawing double and triple teams, he was ordinary.

    The ATL image is in the ******* and a Parcels hire brings back some credibility. Blank must be going nuts after having the 2 guys he sunk the fortunes of the franchise in throw **** on his face.
     
  18. Retired Catholic

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    Atlanta just dodged a bullet if Parcells bailed on them already. Him taking the job and THEN bailing for Miami would have been even worse for Atlanta in the long run than the Petrino fiasco. Maybe Nix is in the mix, now. Blank must feel like the Captain of the Titanic. The players minds must be cycling on station.
     
  19. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    Atlanta's offer: "OK, we'll pay you a buncha' money and give you control over the football operations, but we still would like the current GM to stay on board at least for next year"

    Miami's offer: "We'll double whatever money Atlanta is offering plus give you full control over everything, including the decision on whether or keep or can our current head coach!" And there's the added benefit of living in Miami as opposed to Atlanta. Hot chicks on the beach!!!

    Bill is about power and money. He needs a lot of both just to breathe.
     
  20. boltssbbound

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    Phuck that. Some people conduct business with honor and integrity. Others do not. Verbal agreements are legally binding in most states. Obviously, you aren't going to try and force someone to work for you based on a verbal agreement in principle, but it's still an agreement. You can gauge your value without agreeing to anything. By verbally agreeing to take the position and then backing out, Parcells has made the Falcons look bad. Parcells is a douchebag.

    The "this is how business is done" attitude is just a way for people to behave unethically without taking responsibility for their conduct. It's a bullshit cop-out. It's wrong when an employer does it, and it's wrong when a potential employee does it.
     
  21. Trumpet_Man

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    There is nothing wrong and I am not sure why you see it that way. This is business. There is NO contract. An agreement is not a contract unless you satisfy certain requirements.

    First, you have to have an offer.

    Next, you have to have an acceptance.

    The glue which binds a contract is called consideration and this can be either money, stocks, real estate, hookers etc etc.

    There was an offer and acceptance but you need something called consideration to bind it to make it legal. There was no consideration.

    There can be no conflicts with the Uniform Commercial Code or the Staute of Frauds as well.

    If you and I agree in principle to work together sometime in the future and you tell me, "you know what dude, I got a better deal for twice the money and less headaches", there is not a godddamn thing wrong with it. Nada.

    So long as you were not damaged, for instance, you fired your entire staff to accommodate a promise of employment, then maybe you have recourse otherwise, what you are asking is unreasonable and unethical.
     
  22. Boltdiehard

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    Holy crap dude you just answered at least 10-15 questions on the CA DRE brokers exam. :lol:

    BTW that test is NO JOKE......:no: :icon_eek:
     
  23. Trumpet_Man

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    Contracts 101 in my Law classes for my Masters degree. I have a somewhat idetic memory. I see **** in my head I have not seen in years and phrases as well. I can remember old phone numbers and addresses since I was in kindergarden. Weird ****. :yes:

    We covered verbal agreements and how anything which could not be performed in a years time had to be in writing.

    What constitutes a voidable contract (insanity, intoxication, minors, duress etc etc). :)

    I am a bad man :abq2: :icon_party:
     
  24. wrbanwal

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    holy crap Tony,

    did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!!!???


    :icon_eek::icon_eek::icon_eek:


    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    I miss acadamia and the challenges presented. I am considering a position for adjunct faculty for one of the local Universities. I have thought about going back to school to get my Jurisdoctural degree or JD degree. It is a law degree and probably a calling I missed somewhere along the line. It is just for professional accomplishment and really a way to keep up with Anteater, Chispa and Rule12b. :lol:
     
  26. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    well good on ya brother!!

    I'm gonna do the adjunct faculty gig myself in the spring.

    The added benefit is the chicks are even hotter now than when we were young(er). Not that I could ever do anything about it

    !!!


    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  27. boltssbbound

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    This is the difference between legal and ethical. I'm not saying what Parcells did is illegal. I'm saying it's unethical. Parcells agreed in principle to go to work for the Falcons. He should not have done that until he was certain that he would not receive a better offer from another team.

    Ethics are not governed by the Uniform Commercial Code or the Statute of Frauds. There are plenty of things that are legal but unethical, just as there are plenty of things that are illegal but perfectly ethical (the green sticky for example).
     
  28. boltssbbound

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    Is that like an eidetic memory? :lol:
     
  29. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    What you are doing is asking a person to not seek a better deal and calling it unethical when there is no contract.

    Agreements in principal do not mean ****. They are a framework and nothing more. It does not BIND anyone to anything because it is two guys kicking things around.

    If you want to call someone unethical for accepting more pay when there is no current binding agreement, that will not go far in any business. That is sour grapes. The employer gets interviewed and vice versa.

    Sometimes that fact gets lost in the noise when you are talking executive positions.

    Parcells has every right to explore as many agreements in principal as he wants and no one should impede him whatsoever.

    That is beyond arrogant and communistic to ask otherwise.
     
  30. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    Yup.

    New effing wireless keyboard and I am having trouble with this whore. Spelling was never a trait dedicated to the photographic parts of the mind. That is reserved for porn. :lol:
     

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