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Philip Rivers' right arm and the beginning of the end for Norv Turner

Discussion in 'San Diego Chargers Hall of Champions' started by Travis Duncan, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. Travis Duncan

    Travis Duncan BoltTalker

    Feb 27, 2012
    uspw_6697612.jpg Oct 28, 2012; Cleveland, OH, USA; Cleveland Browns defensive end Juqua Parker (95) pressures San Diego Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers (17) in the fourth quarter at Cleveland Browns Stadium. David Richard-US PRESSWIRE

    By Travis Duncan
    Bolt Talk writer

    The man has been here before.

    He's the Bill Clinton of NFL coaching. He has staying power. No matter how many times the masses call for his removal, he stays. Losing streaks and meltdowns, Norv Turner remains the head coach of the San Diego Chargers.

    When does the pupil turn on the master?

    Philip Rivers at age 30, may not see his NFL clock ticking, but others do. Yahoo.com put out a story speculating that around the league, some believe Rivers' arm strength is diminished. When asked about the story, Rivers conveyed as though the thought has never crossed his mind and certainly is not the reason behind the Chargers three-game losing streak.

    He responded, "I don't know. I am not going to react to that. Uh, I don't know."

    With three more years left on a seven-year $98 million contract, when does Rivers begin to see the window of opportunity close in San Diego. Rivers and Turner are comrades, offensive co-conspirators. Turner will never break that professional or personal bond, but could Rivers ask for Turner to be let go?

    At this point Rivers, remains optimistic and is not advocating the removal of Turner.

    "There doesn't need to be dramatic changes other than to go win," Rivers said.

    "So, maybe it is dramatic. Winning is definitely dramatically different than losing. But as far as what it takes to go win, it is not going to take anything dramatic."

    Tenure and stability is linked to success in the NFL, but of course which came first the chicken or the egg? The success or the tenure?

    Bill Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, top the NFL's head coaching tenured list and also the Super Bowl appearance ledger. So there is something to be said for a sustained program, a sustained system, the refinements over time, the ability to plug the holes in the age of free agency inside a constant system. Changing systems and changing personnel at the same time does not result in success.

    Maybe, just maybe, Turner is not the problem, and Philip Rivers is not the problem, but only part of the problem. And the pair, make for notable scapegoats for a roster with unmet needs. Perhaps the biggest problem exists in a weakened offensive line and lack of talent at the wide receiver position.

    Against Cleveland, Rivers completed 18 passes on 34 attempts. Half of those completions were to running backs Ronnie Brown and Ryan Matthews. Just six completions went to receivers. Malcom Floyd caught 4 passes for 43 yards and Dante Rosario caught two passes for 11 yards. So in total, Rivers passed for 54 yards to his wide receivers. Weather was a factor but the vertical passing game is not there.

    Rivers made a fine pass to Robert Meachem in the third quarter which was dropped, instead of six and a victory.

    "We had a few opportunities to come off with some big plays, one where Robert Meachem wasn’t able to come up with the catch," Turner said Monday via the team's official website.

    "Then we had Dante Rosario in the middle and they just didn’t hook up.”

    Turner puts the losses on execution, as any X's and O's guru would-not a motivational problem. He thinks the Chargers are a team that makes big plays in the passing game and that's how they win. If the big plays return, the Chargers win. Defense was not the problem against Cleveland. Turner pointed out in his Monday press conference that the Browns punted nine straight times after their first touchdown.

    "There are specific reasons (why we’re coming up short)," Turner said.

    "Usually it is a different thing in each situation where you have an opportunity. You have an opportunity to make a big play and you only get so many in a game. One play it might be protection, one play it might be that we didn’t make the throw or we’re still trying to get on the same page."

    Thursday's game could not come quick enough for this franchise. A win, even over the 1-6 Chiefs, makes things better and the season is re-focused.

    A loss Thursday and Turner will come as close as he has ever come to making many fan's wish come true.
  2. RandyJR

    RandyJR BoltTalker

    Aug 8, 2011
    I think this'll be the last loss of the season... Mark my words!!!

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