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Philip Rivers Throwing Heat

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Johnny Lightning, Jul 14, 2009.

  1. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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    By SB Nation
    7-13-2009

    Philip Rivers came into the 2008 season with a solid record and was looking to make the leap to the top tier of quarterbacks. Objective observers would have to admit he achieved that goal; and did it with a style and demeanor that reflected well, both on himself as well as the team. What happened to key the change? Two facets of his game were dramatically improved. One was his ability to hit the deep patterns. Last year he often struggled to hit Vincent Jackson when he had separation deep. Jackson would often have to hold up allowing defenders to tackle him or make a play on the ball. In at least one case he just couldn't come back enough far enough for the ball.

    The second skill he dramatically improved was his ability to hit the outside patterns. Rivers was solid in the middle of the field but outside the numbers his rating was a disaster. Certainly some of that is going to be his receivers in 2007 at the beginning of the year were not as good. Even so his qb ratings to the outside were extremely low. Some of this is simply throwing the ball away to the sidelines, but not all. His QB rating wide left in 2007 was a mere 61.3 and wide right was 69.5. More telling his completion rate was 45 and 49% respectively.

    So what changed in the 2008 season? To some extent for both the deep and outside pattern his arm is stronger now. With his knee rehabbing over the off season he dramatically strengthened his throwing arm. Kevin Acee of the UT noted the extra zip in preseason and you could absolutely see it in his game. Vincent Jackson often ended up laying himself out to grab a deep ball thrown a bit too far. Throwing to the sides of the field, the ball also has to travel farther, and if it isn't going to be picked off, it needs to have something on it.

    What were the results? In 2008 Rivers' QB rating to the outside parts of the field went from 61 & 69 to 113 and 78, enormous improvements. His completion rates to the outside improved by about 7%. His touchdown production improved from 8 TDS to the sides in 2007 to 15 in 2008. Now there is no doubt that picking up Chris Chambers and the emergence of Vincent Jackson are part of that equation, but you couldn't watch the 2008 season without being impressed by the quantum leap in Rivers throwing arm. In 07 the Kissing Suzy Kolber guys were talking about his floaters, in 2008 they started referencing overfloaters, I'm awaiting the laserfloaters for '09. You can see the result in Yards/Attempt to which jumped from 6.9 to 8.4. The folks over at NFL Stats also came up with the concept of "Air Yards" by simply deducting all the YAC and then dividing that by attempts. On this scale Rivers came in as the number three quarterback averaging 4.5 air yards per attempt.

    In terms of plays more than 40 yards you can see a big uptick too. In 2008 Rivers had 12 passes that went for more than 40 yards, in 2007 he had only 4. That's a tripling of his stretch passes, and he did that while improving accuracy from 60% to 65% completion ratings overall. Again, there is always a risk of giving all the credit to Rivers; these balls don't catch themselves. No doubt Jackson came on strong and, when healthy, Chambers was good. Floyd also picked up his game; sometimes it seemed there weren't enough balls to go around. It's also well to remember that Chambers went out with ankle problems and Gates played with a problem toe all year.

    That said, if Rivers is floating them with too little distance, the best receivers in the world can't help. You can also argue that with the defense having a down year in 2008; Rivers had to throw deeper more often.
    There is truth to that, but that
    certainly wouldn't make him more accurate, in fact you would expect defenses to be able to key on the pass and make more PD's and interceptions. So what's the prediction for 2009? I've read where some experts are expecting a more run-heavy offense, but with Norv at the reins and an improved defense; I expect more deep plays next year.
     
  2. bigmike.x.09

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    Great read, Rivers FTW!!! :tup: :abq2:
     
  3. Sydalish

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    :wub: can't wait to see the dreamboat tossing the rock around again. Hurry up football!!!!
     
  4. Johnny Lightning

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    so much for all of the "weak arm" comments from the armchair QBs


    :tup:
     
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  6. Buck Melanoma

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    Like I said at BFTB - the arm strength is a big part of PR's increased success, but his pocket presence has also improved immensely. He'll never be termed "mobile", but he has learned to make those critical little moves in the pocket - a step here, a duck there - that both buys a little time & puts him into position to step into his throws. I saw a lot less of him throwing off his back foot last year which results directly in less floaters.

    Say what you will about Norv, but he can develop a QB. :tup:
     
  7. Enormo

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    If the Bolts can get the run game going and Tomlinson becomes the threat we know he can be then I expect some big deep plays off of play action.
     
  8. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    Jay Cutler could throw that ball through a tire.








    ...and still miss the playoffs. :bolt:
     
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  9. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    well this article sorta takes the wind out of the sails of my post... :(
     
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  10. Sydalish

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    def worth repeating :tup:

    glad that kid can throw passes to gnome sized receivers too :p how high were those tires? like knee high?
     
  11. Johnny Lightning

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    Rivers takes skills competition loss in stride

    July 15, 2009 4:45 PM

    Posted by ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky
    San Diego quarterback Philip Rivers lost a skills competition to a high schooler recently, but he wasn't necessarily planning on winning the event that was part of a reopening of a training facility he owns part of in Huntsville, Ala.


    The 120 local campers included six high school quarterbacks including Rivers' brother, Stephen, who plays at Athens High School near Huntsville.
    The quarterbacks ran through three challenges July 8 -- an accuracy competition, longest throw and an obstacle course, said a D1 official who attended the camp.

    Rivers was off in the accuracy contest and lost to Will Nunn of Huntsville High. Rivers won longest throw, unofficially 69 yards. He was urged by D1 officials not to do the obstacle course, but participated at less than full speed.

    "I'm all right," Rivers said afterward. "You know what, it would have been bad if I'd have won to be honest with you. It was fun to compete a little bit, but to be sure I didn't do anything to get hurt. I've got a big year ahead of me.

    "It was good. Will has a lot of ability. A lot of these kids have got a lot of ability and competed well. It was fun. You add a little bit of spice to the camp. You do so many fundamentals and then you go play some games, throw in a little challenge and let the local quarterbacks enjoy that."

    Nunn was reserved as he spoke to WHNT-TV after the challenge.
    "It was great," he said. "I don't know if he was trying as hard as he could have. But it was a good confidence booster."

    D1 Sports Training has facilities connected to NFL and NBA players in eight cities including Nashville (Peyton Manning), Columbus (A.J. Hawk) and Memphis (Shane Battier).
    Before jumping on Rivers over losing a skill position competition, consider some context.

    1. Rivers seems to be getting hit hard over this, which makes me wonder: If he stomped the kids, wouldn't a large segment of the population have crushed him over that?
    2. What's the right amount of NFL prowess to take into work with or against high school campers?
    If I am a Chargers fan, all I care about from this is that he didn't get hurt. The only football played by Rivers that I would care about starts Monday night, Sept. 14 at Oakland.
     
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    The only reason this is drawing any attention whatsoever is because LeBron was such a ***** about getting dunked on, and PR just happened to be the next guy get "beat" at something at his own camp. Big difference is Rivers is the usual cool guy who doesn't even care about something like this, and LeBron cried about it.
     
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    holy **** did ESPN just write something with positive spin about PR!?

    must be getting chilly in hades...
     

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