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Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by Jesse Kemp, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. Jesse Kemp

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    Hey guys. Pretty much brand new here, but I've been a draft nerd for several years. Want to get input on these rankings.

    QB:
    1. T. Bridgewater, Louisville
    2. B. Bortles, UCF
    3. J. Manziel, TAMU
    4. D. Carr, Fresno State
    5. Z. Mettenberger, LSU
    6. J. Garoppolo, E. Carolina
    7. B. Smith, Wyoming
    8. D. Fales, SJSU
    9. A. McCarron, Alabama
    10. L. Thomas, Va. Tech
    RB:
    1. C. Hyde, OSU
    2. J. Hill, LSU
    3. T. Mason, Auburn
    4. K. Carey, Arizona
    5. C. Sims, WVU
    6. D. Freeman, FSU
    7. L. Seastrunk, Baylor
    8. T. West, Towson
    9. S. Johnson, UCF
    10. B. Sankey, Washington
    FB:
    1. T. Millard, Oklahoma
    2. G. Hoskins, Marshall
    3. R. Hewitt, Stanford
    4. C. Coyle, ASU
    5. J. Prosch, Auburn
    TE:
    1. J. Amaro, TTU
    2. E. Ebron, UNC
    3. T. Niklas, Notre Dame
    4. A. Seferian-Jenkins, UW
    5. R. Rodgers, Cal
    6. A. Lynch, Georgia
    7. C. Fiedorowicz, Iowa
    8. X. Grimble, USC
    9. C. Gilmore, CSU
    10. M. Jensen, Fresno State
    WR:
    1. S. Watkins, Clemson
    2. M. Evans, TAMU
    3. B. Cooks, Oregon State
    4. M. Lee, USC
    5. O. Beckham, LSU
    6. K. Benjamin, FSU
    7. J. Matthews, Vanderbilt
    8. A. Robinson, Penn State
    9. J. Landry, LSU
    10. D. Adams, Fr. State
    OT:
    1. G. Robinson, Auburn
    2. J. Matthews, TAMU
    3. Z. Martin, Notre Dame
    4. T. Lewan, Michigan
    5. C. Kouandijo, Alabama
    6. A. Richardson, Tennessee
    7. M. Moses, Virginia
    8. S. Henderson, Miami
    9. J. James, Tennessee
    10. B. Turner, NDSU
    G:
    1. X. Su'a-Filo, UCLA
    2. G. Jackson, Miss. State
    3. D. Yankey, Stanford
    4. B. Thomas, Clemson
    5. J. Halapio, Florida
    6. C. Richardson, Baylor
    7. D. Dozier, Furman
    8. T. Turner, LSU
    9. B. Treadwell, MSU
    10. T. Hopkins, Texas
    C:
    1. M. Martin, USC
    2. W. Richburg, CSU
    3. A. Steen, Alabama
    4. T. Swanson, Arkansas
    5. T. Larsen, Utah State
    6. B. Stork, FSU
    7. W. Johnson, Vanderbilt
    8. R. Bodine, UNC
    9. G. Ikard, Oklahoma
    10. Z. Kerin, Toledo
    NT:
    1. L. Nix, Notre Dame
    2. T. Jernigan, FSU
    3. D. Easley, Florida
    4. J. Ellis, La. Tech
    5. D. Jones, Penn State
    6. C. Reid, Princeton
    7. B. Allen, Wisconsin
    8. V. Moala, Cal
    9. R. Carrethers, Ark. State
    10. Z. Kerr, Delaware
    34DE:
    1. A. Donald, Pitt
    2. R. Hageman, Minnesota
    3. W. Sutton, Arizona State
    4. S. Tuitt, Notre Dame
    5. K. Quarles, S. Carolina
    6. B. Urban, Virginia
    7. G. Uko, USC
    8. K. Martin, UNC
    9. A. Johnson, LSU
    10. E. Ferguson, LSU
    34OLB:
    1. J. Clowney, S. Carolina
    2. K. Mack, Buffalo
    3. A. Barr, UCLA
    4. K. Ealy, Missouri
    5. J. Attaochu, Ga. Tech
    6. D. Ford, Auburn
    7. M. Smith, Louisville
    8. D. Lawrence, Boise State
    9. T. Murphy, Stanford
    10. C. Bradford, Arizona State
    34ILB:
    1. C. Moseley, Alabama
    2. R. Shazier, OSU
    3. K. Van Noy, BYU
    4. S. Skov, Stanford
    5. C. Borland, Wisconsin
    6. Y. Smallwood, UCONN
    7. C. Jones, FSU
    8. C. Kirksey, Iowa
    9. A. Jackson, WKU
    10. J. Tripp, Montana
    CB:
    1. D. Dennard, MSU
    2. K. Fuller, Va. Tech
    3. J. Verrett, TCU
    4. B. Roby, Ohio State
    5. J. Gilbert, Ok. State
    6. M. Roberson, Ok. State
    7. B. Breeland, Clemson
    8. T. Mitchell, Oregon
    9. V. Hampton, So. Carolina
    10. P. Desir, Lindenwood
    S:
    1. H. Clinton-Dix, Alabama
    2. C. Pryor, Louisville
    3. L. Joyner, FSU
    4. J. Ward, NIU
    5. D. Bucannon, WSU
    6. E. Reynolds, Stanford
    7. T. Brooks, FSU
    8. A. Brooks, Baylor
    9. D. Bailey, USC
    10. C. Loston, LSU
     
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  2. Bigkdb

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    Give us Barr and Dennard for christmas pwease lol
     
  3. matilack

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    Good list but there is no way Johnny Manziel makes my top 5 QBs. Other than the obvious character flags, there is to much improv and not enough planned attack to his game.
     
  4. Jesse Kemp

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    Given Wilson's success as an undersized QB who does a lot of playmaking when things break down, I can see a franchise going for it. He's not for me, but it only takes one team.
     
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    I'd put Mettenberger higher. I watched him play a few games and I think he's more ready than probably anybody. And McCarron is being underrated because of the talent around him but I've seen him handle pressure pretty well over his tenure. I think he's better than Carr at least.


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  6. Jesse Kemp

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    Mett is as low as he is because of the injury. I think other players are going to have a chance to build momentum with pre-draft work, and he obviously won't be able to. But I agree that he's more NFL ready. Probably has the best arm in the class.

    McCarron is in the 6-7 range for me. In the mix with Fales.
     
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    Give me an undersized Lamarcus Joyner over any of the other safeties. Or @ 5'9" you could play him at nickel. Kid plays at about 6'1 210 lbs. Great kick returner too.
     
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    Maybe, and yes the "it only takes one team" (and mind you the Raiders and the Browns both have reputations for being "that team" and both can be considered to have needs at QB). But aside from the fact that they're "mobile," that's really where the comparisons between Manziel and Wilson stop (other than that they're both shorter than the mean). Manziel is lighter than Russ was as a prospect, doesn't have even half the pocket presence Wilson had as a prospect, doesn't have the field awareness Wilson has, and most certain doesn't feel the rush like Wilson did.

    Wilson was a unique prospect, the exception that is sadly going to be cited as rule now for people wanting to dispel the "short QB's don't succeed as often" mantra. Folks seem to ignore that Wilson had, his height and the concerns as to his ability to effectively view downfield save through windows between linemen (same as had to be adapted for Brees), all the makings of a 1st round prospect. Manziel could be the size of Joe Flacco and I still wouldn't rank him on par with Wilson. Wilson is, to oversimplify things, everything that Vick was hyped to be, but actually realized. Manziel is a lot like Vick, except slighter. Watch Wilson when he does go "mobile," he's still - more times than not - looking downfield, and looking to make a pass. Johnny bails on the pocket when the rush isn't even there and often goes 1-read-and-run.
     
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    Not overly big on Carlos Hyde. NFL body. But lacks break away speed and vision. Watching tape, he had a lot of break away runs through extremely large holes. When bottle necked inside, he struggles to find open holes.
     
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    He gains more yards after contact than anyone else I watched. That's big.
     
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    So did Beanie Wells though, and that's my fear for Hyde. The advantage of being a 230+ back in college narrows dramatically at the next level. It takes rare quickness and vision to make a big back consistently productive.

    Personally I prefer the guys who are 200-210 in college and bulk up in the NFL, rather than the other way around.
     
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    Don't even necessarily need to be that big coming out. The two most productive backs last season both play at right between 200 and 210 lbs. Arguably the most productive rookie backs (I say arguably because the guy that won ROY as a back did so off of bulk stats garnered because of amount of touches he received in large part because his Top-5 QB was out injured for a portion of the season) last season (in terms of YPC on a sufficient sample size of carries) were both sub-210 and one of them even sub-200.
     
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    A guy I'm really starting to like as a potential 3rd round pick for us, WR Dante Moncrief.

    Size/speed: B+ (6'2 215)
    Hands: B+
    Routes/seperation: B
    YAC: A
    Jump ball: A

    He is smooth, and deceptively fast almost like Keenan Allen. Only thing that wasn't outstanding about his tape was his over reliance of hitch and go routes....but that said he still got behind the defense consistently even when they saw it coming. I also like that he seemed to have his best games vs the best competition, particularly LSU the last 2 years. His stats aren't gaudy, but in his defense his QB was not great, and he had multiple huge plays turned over by unrelated penalties. NFL comparison: Anquan Boldin at age 20.
     
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    Three of the four best rookie runners this year based their game primarily on power and gaining yards after contact (Lacy, Bell, and Stacy). It seems to translate about as well as the skill sets of guys like Bernard. If not better. And I think Hyde's vision and short area speed is being underrated. And his balance is outstanding. Also, there's no one formula for a good NFL runner. Different styles work, they just have to fit the offense and be proficient. Hyde, to me, is the best at what he does in this class.

    It's not as though all his productive runs came through gaping corridors. He showed the awareness and quick feet to get through small creases, and then power himself forward for 4-8 where others would only get 2. Or, at times, break the first couple tackles and rip off big gains.

    He also has soft hands and is maybe the best blocker of all the backs in this class. And lastly, he's not a slow plodder. He runs away from guys in the open field on occasion. Wouldn't be surprised if he runs in the mid to low 4.5's.
     
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    Look at Eric Ward from Texas Tech, look at his moves to get separation; amazing hands catcher. Lot of WRs to like in this draft.

    Allen will be a WR1 in 2014, I just hope he is strengthening his upper body, because he can be very Anquan Boldin like, if he just gains about 10 pounds to that upper body this off-season.

    Alexander I'd take another flier on, hopeful he can get through camp, but wouldn't rely on him at all. Floyd looks just about done, and if we can extend Royal and stretch out his $6M cap hit to something like a 3 year/$9M deal it would help us target needs in FA.

    We need more athleticism on offense, more speed, guys like Andre Caldwell and Andrew Hawkins really intrigue me.
    Look at Hawkins' release and speed >


    Something we need in this offense to complement Green, Gates, Allen, Royal, and Brown. I think we can draft WRs in the later rounds that are getting pushed down due a deep class.
     
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    Isaiah Crowell in the 6th-7th rounds for me, guy is a rare talent, and I hope we interview the kid at the combine. We already have a north - south runner in Mathews, we need a guy that can break it outside and Crowell does that without losing speed or acceleration, when he shifts his body its too smooth. He may go higher.
     
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    I would argue what we need more than anything is another between the tackles runner behind Mathews for when he inevitably gets hurt. The overall effectiveness of our offense tanks when we don't have that dynamic available.
     
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    I'd be fine with a 3rd or 4th round pick, but I just don't see the burst or the wiggle, or the receiving ability of a complete back. He does get 4 or 5 when others might get 2, or none, but he also gets 4 where others might get 10. There's a ceiling that's easy to see.

    I'm not down on the guy though, he's very comparable to Michael Turner.
     
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    He might be decent in the right system. The Michael Turner comparison is close. But Turner hands down had more top end speed. Hyde will get you the tough yards just not going to be a game breaker.
     
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    The difference is that I have a higher opinion of his quickness, hands, and vision. Time will tell.
     
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    What do you think if Terrance West? He's a guy IMO that could have played in the FBS, he's obscenely productive, patient beyond his years, sets his blocks well, and sifts through the garbage with the best...but obviously the small school thing hurts him. He will probably run a 4.6 and go day 3, but I like him a lot.
     
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    I like all the tools. FCS players are always going to carry that unknown factor, but there's a potential reward there too. I would take a shot in the 5th or thereafter.
     
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    To be honest the 5th is the earliest I'm touching any RB, the talent pool is too deep to merit doing it any earlier when we, frankly, don't need an immediate starter. With the amount of underclassmen declares, and the fact that under McCoy we're likely to be RBBC regardless, I just don't see the (for lack of a better word) need for urgency.

    There are a number of guys who I think can fit the bill and who are getting under-heralded: West from Towson is one of them, Rajion Neal from Tennessee is another (Tennessee was largely a joke of a program this past year, which has allowed Neal to fly under the radar - his pass-blocking is crisp and he sticks guys, not just cut-blocks every time), WKU's Antonio Andrews lacks "breakaway speed" but I see a little Zac Stacy in him, Syracuse's Jerome Smith is nothing special (a BenJarvis Green-Ellis type) but he's consistently productive and a true, dependable grinder, Isaiah Crowell's got a ton of talent (but he's also got 2-cent character that I'm not convinced has changed since he was kicked off the UGA team). I know Duffman is a Storm Johnson supporter, I'm a bit more in the Kapri Bibbs camp (despite Colorado State's track record with NFL RB's).
     
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    Pretty much my point I guess. I don't think Hyde (who I expect will go late 2nd early 3rd) is so much better than any of those guys that I'd spend what it would take to get him.
     
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    I like West or Storm Johnson out of that group. Not a fan of Neal for our purposes. Doesn't run with much power. Reminds me of Mike Gillislee.
     
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    While I like Storm, i'm scared of his fumbling issues. He's had some bad ones. But his vision and patience is awesome. Runs with decent power, and is a great one cut and get upfield runner. Reminds me a lesser extent of Arian Foster if he had fumbling issues. A bit like James Starkes a few years ago.

    I'm interested in Jerome Smith as well, he's definitely an effort rusher.

    Crowell may be the top back in this class if character doesn't mean anything, but i am really unsure of that.

    Neal is intriguing, he's got some solid measurables, and like you said, is adept rushing the passer.

    Havent seen much of Andrews/Bibbs.
     
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    Oh and i was just curious, i was just turned on to Russell Bodine from UNC, and he seems pretty solid, with playing experience at both LG and C. He's pretty quick and a good run blocker, but he loses ground way to easily in pass pro and his hands are pretty bad, even though they're quick. But who do you think are other options for the OG and eventual C replacement?

    I really like Richburg, and obviously Martin (though it depends on if he truly can play C like you think he can over the long term). But i haven't seen enough of Martin, Larson, Ikard, or Swanson.
     
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    Andrews is WELL worth a look, on top of averaging 6.5 ypc, he had 41 receptions, and returned both kickoffs and punts. A complete player, but downgraded of course due to level of competition. Seems like the kind of guy the Patriots would draft.

    Also I highly recommend taking a look at Lorenzo Taliaferro. The last HB/FB we got from the Chanticleers program paid some dividends, although I think his style is more like Alfred Morris than Mike Tolbert. I expect he'll probably be a UDFA, but wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the 6th or 7th round.
     
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