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Question about Chargers History

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Iron Lion, May 27, 2012.

  1. Iron Lion

    Iron Lion BoltTalker

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    Hello all, lifelong Lions fan here with a question about your history. It takes some setting up though so stay with me ...

    First off when looking at the formation of the AFL in 1960, it appears as though there were 3 kinds of teams: teams that successfully avoided contention with NFL cities, teams that unsuccessfully avoided contention with NFL cities, and teams that sought contention with NFL cities.

    The teams of the first category are: Denver Broncos, Houston Oilers, Boston Patriots, Buffalo Bills.
    Notice that none of these teams changed their city or name over the whole course of the AFL, other than the Patriots who apparently chose to go by a region rather than by a city, but this appears to have been their own choice and I don't believe they actually moved.

    The teams of the second category are: Dallas Texans (Kansas City Chiefs) and Minnesota Raiders (Oakland Raiders).
    Here, the viciousness of the AFL-NFL rivalry is first seen. The AFL announces they will bring about the Minnesota Raiders, so the NFL comes at the AFL with the Minnesota Vikings, an attempt at making the Raiders look like a knock-off. Similarly, the NFL answers the AFL's Dallas Texans with the Dallas Cowboys.

    The teams of the third category are: Los Angeles Chargers and New York Titans. Now the AFL strikes back, answering the NY Giants of the NFL with their own New York Titans. So it seems to me that the LA Chargers were the AFL's answer to the LA Rams.

    This is now of course very disguised because of the bolt logo and the fact that the team now plays in San Diego. Perhaps it was not so disguised that first year in 1960? Or was the bolt logo used from the very start?

    So I'm just curious if any of you can tell me one way or another what is going on here. I haven't been able to find anything about this on the internet so I don't know for sure that this rivalry naming is what actually happened. From what I can tell, the official story is that the owner of the Chargers liked that song that has "CHARGE!" in it.

    Thanks for your thoughts, this has just been bugging me for too long.
     
  2. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    I never knew the Raiders started in Minnesota so I looked it up. They didn't. The Vikings were originally set to be an AFL team but they reneged and joined the NFL. So they (The AFL) established the Oakland Raiders instead to fill the void.

    So, it wasn't a case of the NFL "answering" with a franchise so much as it was the NFL stealing the franchise.

    I guess you can say the AFL failed in that (newly established) NFL season, but it wasn't the franchise that failed there.
     
  3. Iron Lion

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    I never meant to imply that the Raiders ever played a down as the Minnesota Raiders, but rather that such plans were in place. And there's still a bitter connection between the Raiders and Vikings. Thanks for the clarification on the detail though.
     
  4. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard Charger fan at 7000'

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    And it's the Chargers' fault that the Raiders even exist. After Minnesota punked out, Barron Hilton insisted that the AFL give him another California team to help with travel costs.

    Oakland was originally going to be called the Senors, the winner of a name the team contest. Raiders was the third place finisher, I have never been able to find what second place was.
     
  5. HollywoodLeo

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    As for the actual question asked in the first post, the bolt logo is in the LA team's logo.

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  6. Pointyearedog

    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    Not quite. Barron Hilton held a contest for the team name, and someone came up with the name. Another popular rumor was that someone compared the team to a credit card, like "Charge it!" and the name for the team was born.
     
  7. Joy Division

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    While researching this question (mostly on Wikipedia, because it's solid info) I was amused with this:

    On August 8, 1961, the AFL, challenged the Canadian Football League to an exhibition game that would feature the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and the Buffalo Bills. Playing at Ivor Wynne Stadium in Hamilton, Ontario, the Ticats defeated the Bills 38–21 playing a mix of AFL and CFL rules.

    I rubbed this in my brother-in-law's face. Yes, he's a Bills fan.
     
  8. Lance19

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    The most credible story is that Hilton was promoting a "charge card" at the time...
    (which IS how credit cards were referred to, a half century ago).

    There's nothing to the idea implied that the Charger 'bolt' helmet was somehow
    an "answer" to the Ram 'horn' helmet. The Ram helmet (as now) was dark blue in 1960,
    The Charger helmet, of course, was flat white. And the bolt was BLUE (just in '60 & '66).
    And of course, the giant, trademark player numerals on the side...
    in short, the 1960 Charger helmet bore no resemblance to that hideous turd the Rams wore.
     
  9. HollywoodLeo

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    Weren't the Rams the first team to put something on their helmets?
     
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  11. Iron Lion

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    Thanks all for the input so far. That first-year logo is interesting... I expected there to be some kind of hooved animal, but not one with no horns.

    There's lots of different ideas on how the name was chosen and a lot of the ones that I've already heard are in this thread at the official forums:

    http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=19590

    Although I don't know how you all feel about the official forums, so sorry in advance if this is like profanity.
     

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