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Raiders cooling on Jamarcus Russell ?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by PhilipRivers#1, Mar 5, 2007.

  1. PhilipRivers#1

    PhilipRivers#1 BoltTalker

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    The Raiders returned from the NFL Scouting Combine less convinced that Louisiana State QB JaMarcus Russell is their man for the top pick and with more questions than before after taking a long look at him during the process. Publicly, the Raiders said nothing about Russell or any of the other players who attended the Combine. Privately, several Raider officials questioned Russell's work ethic, said they are concerned about his weight as a long-term issue, and cautioned against making Russell a lead-pipe cinch as the top pick. It now appears just as likely that the Raiders will target Georgia Tech WR Calvin Johnson in light of his posting a 4.31-second 40-yard dash and saying all the right things during an interview.
     
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  2. When Lightning Strikes

    When Lightning Strikes Well-Known Member

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    can i get a link please??
     
  3. PhillyChargerFan

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    What's the problem? this describes 80% of the players currently on the Faiders.....
     
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  4. When Lightning Strikes

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    by the way, just a note on Calvin Johnson's 4.31 40 yrd dash...

    He ran it in borrowed shoes!!
     
  5. loweezy

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    It's not like his own shoes make him physically faster. =P
     
  6. AnteaterCharger

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    wonder if they have interest in Brady Quinn
     
  7. Thread_Killer

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    I don't see how the Raiders can pass on BOTH QB prospects. The pickings in free agency are very slim, and I have a hard time believing that Lane Kiffin wants to go to war with Andrew Walter under center. :no:
     
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    Yes, but running in the shoes your most comfortable in, running in the shoes you've trained in, is likely to enable you to get a better time than running in shoes you've never put on before.
     
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    only way I could see that is if the Raiders acquire a FA QB but who the heck do you see out there that you'd hand the ball over?
    and I could see them passing on both QB prospects because Johnson's that good
     
  10. SDRaiderH8er

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    that is not the problem, having interest is one thing, getting him there and signed is another
     
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  11. Thunderstruck

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    I told you so. :p
     
  12. BFISA

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    Crap, not you, too :icon_eek: :no: :icon_sad:
     
  13. LaDeezie21

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    Exactly what happened to his shoes? Why did he have to borrow someone elses?

    Unless he borrowed someones timbos to run the 40 it's not that impressive. I doubt his time would change dramatically if he used his own shoes. I'm not saying that he's not fast. a 4.3 is blazing I'm just saying that I'm not as impressed that he did that with someone elses shoes. I'm sure the shoes he borrowed were very nice.
     
  14. reddenedbeard

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    Exactly my question. You know they are going to be doing the 40. It is the most notable event they do at the combine. Certainly the most talked about by the media.
     
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    More importantly, Johnson wasn't even planning on running, so he didn't prepare sufficiently. Dude is a beast.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. boltssbbound

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    Calvin wasn't planning on running. But he got caught up in the excitement and competition of the Combine, so he decided to run at the last minute. Not having running shoes of his own, he ran in someone else's.
     
  17. When Lightning Strikes

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    this is what i was going to say if i would have been able to answer the question first. He did not have any running shoes.

    Calvin Johnson was told he didnt have to do the combine because there is no way possible that it would move him up in the draft because he was already a top pick without the combine. So, pretty much it was an agent telling him that it could only hurt his chances...but he didnt care and did it anyways. in someone elses running shoes.
     
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    It seems to me that if a player doesn't participate in the combine, it just raises more red flags. It is almost a must for players to go nowadays. IMHO anyway.
     
  19. LaDeezie21

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    that's impressive. I get excited about all of these top prospects until I realize that we have no shot at them. I guess that's what a 12-4 record gets you.
     
  20. When Lightning Strikes

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    it may not be impressive to anyone that he didnt run in his own shoes, but it is to me. Shoes are important when you are running a 40 yrd dash. think about it, .20 of a second can make you great or okay. when you have shoes that may be just a bit heavier than you are used to or shoes that may be molded to someone elses arch and heel indentions, it will slow you down.

    think about it this way...it was risky cuz by putting someone elses shoes on he very well possibly could have ran a 4.51 and then he wouldnt have been a 4.31. That is a substantial difference in the combine, especially for someone of Calvin Johnsons caliber. Now if i was running a 40 yrd dash and i ran a 8.1 in your shoes...that would not be impressive...but its Calvin Johnson, beating everyones times...and he did it in someone elses shoes...not even prepared to run. if that doesnt impress you, than go read another thread that isnt about sports, Heres a link for you www.gayguyforums.com
     
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    i agree with you 110%. if i was at the combine scouting players, i would want to see how they perform outside thier comfort level. I wanna see how Brady Quinn throws to recievers hes not used to on a field hes not used to. I wanna see CB's cover WR's that they dont see everyday. I wanna see the power and they heart of a prospect that im thinking of paying multi-millions of dollars to.

    They also need to look at a players character and his work ethic. If i was a scout, id be paying maids to go in the players rooms and tell me what was in the rooms...if i was told of anything like alcohol or cigarettes, it would change my mind...
     
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    Yup .. exactly. Character and work ethic are every bit as important as what they bring to the field in talent. I guess that is why they do the psych testing now for a lot of these players.
     
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    He did not plan to work out at all at the combine on the advise of his agent. That's why he didn't have his shoes. He still didn't do all of the work out the other WR prospects did, but his competative juices were flowing when they ran the 40. He decided to run the 40 last minute. Hence the borrowed shoes.
     
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    The Raiders need a better QB. They will most likely draft one, I would think in the first round. It was be utterly stupid not to. They have no one left in FA, Walter isnt a franchise QB. They have two good WRs.

    Perhaps they will draft a QB in the later rounds and maybe Trade their pick, or whoever they pick up with it, for some other picks they need.

    If they do something stupid like Draft another defensive player or go for an O line person in the 1st around, when they obviously need a QB, I will laugh with pitty at the stupidest team in the history of the NFL.
     
  27. reddenedbeard

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    Got it .. My only thing is that I think the combine is extremely important for all players entering the draft. If the agent is advising him to not to go to the combine, then I would question his worth .. IMHO.
     
  28. When Lightning Strikes

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    like i said, i agree with you...but in this case, he could have droped because of the combine...there was no way to improve.
     
  29. bigcarson50

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    It isn't uncommon for players expecting to go in the top 5 to not participate in much at the combine. You stand to lose more than you could gain.
     
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    Honestly--if I'm the Raiders I trade down. Russell and Brady are both scary picks that high. Adrian Peterson and Calvin Johnson would be nice picks, but neither one solves Oakland's biggest problems.
     

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