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Replacement refs will be a disaster?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Blue Bolt, Jul 24, 2012.

  1. Blue Bolt

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    Ex-boss of NFL refs angry over lockout
    Written by
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    Those of you who long for a more animated, a more agitated, a more angry Norv Turner soon may get your wish. If the NFL’s lockout of the 120 unionized game officials hasn’t ended by the season opener and subs take their stripes on the field, Norv may morph into some Comic-Con creature, pulling out his hair and anyone’s standing close to him.

    Because it could be a disaster. And if not, it’s hard to imagine the situation being much better than fiasco level. Can’t wait to see Bill Belichick after one of these well-meaning amateurs blows a call.

    Turner won’t say it, only, “I think they (The League) have a good plan,” except the Chargers coach (who chuckles at the fans getting their wish) has to know there can’t be a good plan. The subs won’t even be coming from Division I football. Lower. Even high school zebras have been recruited.

    “No question, it would have an effect,” Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers says. “As a quarterback, you grow to appreciate the referees. No doubt it’s a different game than the one they’re used to calling, not just the speed, but the rules.”

    A totally different game. It’s hard enough for the professionals who police the sport now. The NFL is a blur. The League says it puts safety first, but the officials are the first line of defense for the players.

    Mike Pereira, the retired longtime NFL vice president of officiating who now serves as rules analyst for Fox Sports’ NFL and college football coverage, isn’t one to shill for his former employer. And he’s lived through a lockout. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t like it at all.

    “If they don’t reach an agreement, I think it will affect the game enormously,” he says. “We’re constantly hearing from the league about player safety and the integrity of the game, but they both will be compromised.

    “They’re replacing the best in the world with some guys who do high school games? They’re going to see speed like they’ve never seen before. The league averages 12 years experience per official. Now you’re putting guys in with zero experience. We’ll see more mistakes, more injuries, if it goes on any length of time.”

    Thing is, coaches and most players know the officials. They know them, how they react in certain situations. As Rivers says: “Some of them talk; some of them never say a word the entire game.” They aren’t going to know a thing about these people. They will come into camps to work scrimmages and, if the thing isn’t settled, into the preseason. If it goes past that, fans aren’t going to be watching proper football.

    “Teams scout officials; they scout the tendencies of officials,” Pereira says.

    “That’s out the window now. They’re going to be seeing officials they’ve never seen before. I’ve been there, in 2001, when they missed the first game and then came back after 9/11. That was a strange group.

    “In 2001, we cherry-picked some Division I officials, but they won’t send them now — everyone’s agreed; they don’t want their guys doing it. They’re getting semipro officials. The league is going to tell clubs not to say anything’s wrong and things will be OK. Well, it’s not going to be OK.

    “This is the NFL, and fans deserve the very best. Drew Brees is making millions and who’s protecting him? You have to muddle through the preseason with the real officials losing valuable time to prepare. Friends become enemies and resentment lingers. All I know is, if I’m a big-time quarterback in this league I want to know who’s back there protecting me.

    The hair pull is about money of course and there haven’t been any negotiations lately between The League and official’s union.

    “My personal vibe is that it could go on through the first quarter of the season,” Pereira says. “There’s more animosity now and it involves pensions. The pension always has been the key thing for officials and the league wants to do away with it and go to a 401(k) plan. They want more pay and they’re way apart there.

    “They just want the status quo with the pension. The league wants to do what industries in peril do, switch to a 401(k). But I think we all find it difficult to look at it and say the NFL is in peril. The officials aren’t going to get what they want and the league isn’t going to get what it wants, so both sides have to give. It’s not going to be good for the game, but both sides seem entrenched. The league seems like it’s trying to negotiate through the media.

    I’m a big fan of zebras — in eastern Africa — but the human kind are essential to our games, and NFL officials, despite not being full-time employees, do the best job under terribly difficult circumstances. I just can’t see any way this won’t be a calamity.

    “There are people who are loved and hated,” Pereira says. “Officials are tolerated and hated.

    And best when invisible. I have a feeling this new crop is going to be a gaggle of sore thumbs.
     
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  2. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

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    I remember the last time the NFL had to use replacement refs. One replacement ref stepped into the huddle and told Jerry Rice that it was "an honor to ref a game you're playing in". :roflmao:
     
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  3. Blue Bolt

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    The man was just being honest. ;)
     
  4. Charger Dave

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    Hmmm... Bigger "disaster" than normal?
     
  5. boltfanatik

    boltfanatik Toxic Minority Member

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    I can see things going soooo wrong!:eek:
     
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  6. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    It might make for some very interesting early games that could change the face of the playoffs after the contract dispute has been negotiated.
     
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  7. Cheapseats

    Cheapseats Loud, proud Charger fan

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    I would like to see the NFL make their officials full time employees, so that knowing the rules would be their full time job....provided those bozos can pass an eye exam....I'm just sayin'.

    Replacement refs?...no thank you!
     
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  8. BoltWalt

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    The NFL owners are incredibly cheap bastards, have they given any real thought to having scabs involved in what is a very important part of the game? Who am I kidding the bastards know that I will be watching no matter who they have officiating so why should they not low ball the refs? I don't like the idea but it will not keep me from watching the games unless that it is so bad that it really consistently affects the outcomes of games.
     
  9. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I do believe, I'd push the envelope in the defensive backfield play while the replacement are on board.
     
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  10. Sandolf

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    I remember a famous cowboy once had to handle the situation with air traffic controllers.

    Disaster? Could have happened. Didn't though. But I suppose that a few of you here will live in the fantasy that it is more difficult to be a Line Judge.
     
  11. Buck Melanoma

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    Are you saying we'll see Goodell in a 10 gallon? ;)
     
  12. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Hopefully, only if it's filled with horseshit first!
     
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  13. _Oz

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    It should be illegal for refs or anyone to join a union. I think the job of ref should be outsourced to India and the savings sent off to the Caimans until congress and the president can assure a strong business climate by eliminating the minimum wage, regulations and organizing.
     
  14. Buck Melanoma

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    Incentives!!!
     
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    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Work Sucks!!!!
     
  16. boltfanatik

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    No matter how bad , you will watch just as I will!
     
  17. boltfanatik

    boltfanatik Toxic Minority Member

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    And here I thought you were pro union :D
     
  18. Blue Bolt

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    TWSS
     
  19. BoltWalt

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    I wonder if that ref would have then been blind to offensive pass interference against Jerry Rice?
     
  20. Lancer 1

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    If & when a couple of teams get screwed “Ed Hochuli” style due to obvious referee incompetence, folks will be screaming bloody murder all across the land! :mad:
     
  21. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard Charger fan at 7000'

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    Well, not being a substitute referee didn't stop Hochuli from screwing us "Ed Hochuli style."
     
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    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    If I were a HC, I'd work the replacements for all they're worth. I mean who can they go and ask during a game?
     
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    IMO, it's just idiotic for the NFL to not hire a FT staff. They have the money & it's too important an aspect of the game to muck around.
     
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  24. boltfanatik

    boltfanatik Toxic Minority Member

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    I Agree why are they unionized and not permanent NFL staff? Way to important part of the overall picture to let this derail a season.
     
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    I have no issue with them being unionized. I just feel that this should be a FT job, not a hobby for doctors & lawyers.
     
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    I agree I didn't mean to come off as anti union but this type of crap could ruin an entire season. It should be a full time job and not a hobby , well stated Buck
     
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    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Everyone loves to hate the ref's we'll just get more opportunities to do so. If I were an NFL coach, I'd be licking my chops at the prospects of the replacements and just what I could get away with.
     
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    The NFL is foolish to try save money by what appears to be an attempt to bust this union. An NFL season is too valuable to a team and fan base. Why risk or waste it on inferior inexperienced referees?
     
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    Players: Replacement refs are 'God awful'
    By Mike Freeman | National NFL Insider
    August 3, 2012 4:35 pm ET

    One longtime veteran said the officiating in camp has been the worst he has seen in many years. Another veteran called the replacement refs "God awful."

    "There is a distinct difference between the real guys and these guys," said one player. "This is not good."

    Regular game officials have been locked out by the NFL. In their place, the replacement officials are working NFL camps. At this point, replacement officials are doing what their locked out counterparts normally do which is officiate various drills and scrimmages. The results, according to players, have not been good. Players did not want to be identified for fear of reprisals from the NFL and maybe the replacement refs themselves.

    Players say the biggest problem are the non-calls especially on passing plays. I've seen some of this myself. Receivers just get yanked down to the ground with no flag. "It's open season on wideouts," said one defensive back, laughing.

    New York Daily News writer Ralph Vacchiano, the Giants beat guy, tweeted this on Friday: "Replacement refs are here again. How can you tell? Corey Webster just threw Domenik Hixonto the ground on a pass play. No flag."

    That's happening all across camps. The reason for the non-calls, players speculate, is that the replacement officials are scared to make calls and draw attention to themselves.

    The problem is, if they're scared to make calls in practice, what will it be like if the lockout went into the regular season?

    The league is using retired officials in some cases as replacements. At one camp, there was an official who looked to be, I mean, really, really old. When he tried to run, he could barely move.

    This will be interesting.
     

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