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Road to new stadium gets first green light

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  1. Johnny Lightning

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    Redevelopment panel OKs beginning of effort

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    January 14, 2010





    DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO — San Diego’s downtown redevelopment arm yesterday secured the first approval in a series it needs to spend larger amounts of money repairing blight downtown.
    Chief among the beneficiaries of the effort would be the San Diego Chargers. The team wants to build a football stadium downtown and needs hundreds of millions of dollars of public money for a venue that could cost up to $800 million.
    The Budget/Finance & Administration Committee of the Centre City Development Corp. voted 5-0 yesterday morning, with Director Steven Relyea absent, to embark on a process that could take 15 to 18 months.
    CCDC Chairman Fred Maas equated yesterday’s first step to “asking our doctor if we may start the arduous process of training for a marathon.”
    Maas said the effort to lift a cap on how much money could be redirected downtown in the form of future property tax revenue owes its momentum to one factor above all else: Plans backed by Mayor Jerry Sanders and the team to build a stadium on land bounded by Imperial Avenue and 14th, 16th and K streets.
    “It’s about a stadium,” Maas said after yesterday’s meeting. “But it’s about things bigger than a stadium.”
    Under state law, the CCDC could spend nearly $2.9 billion repairing blight and rebuilding downtown through 2043, but officials expect to hit that cap in 2023 or 2024.
    Under the cap, they estimate they have $386 million of discretionary spending for a list of anticipated projects.
    They don’t yet know how much more money they’ll need for an updated list.
    They estimate it will cost $500,000 to hire lawyers, economists, engineers and soil experts to figure that out and to prepare reports required by state redevelopment law to appeal the agency’s cap.
    The full CCDC board will take up the issue Jan. 27 and the council is expected
    to consider greenlighting the appeals process next month.
    Only two people addressed the CCDC committee yesterday.
    Jason Everitt of the Center on Policy Initiatives, a local labor-friendly think tank, said the CCDC should be mindful of creating quality local jobs.
    Gary Smith, president of the San Diego Downtown Residents Group, advised CCDC officials not to forget downtown’s current needs by focusing on new projects.
    Because of another commitment, Councilman Kevin Faulconer showed up to speak at the hearing a few moments after it ended. In a letter to Maas Monday, Faulconer, whose council district includes downtown, urged fast action.
    “We have a duty to see this plan through to completion,” he wrote.
    Lifting the cap requires the blessing of the City Council, the state departments of Finance and Housing and Community Development and four government entities that have tax-sharing agreements with the CCDC.
    They are the county, the San Diego County Office of Education, the San Diego Unified School District and the San Diego Community College District.
    Maas said he and Frank Alessi, CCDC’s executive vice president and chief financial officer, discussed the issue once with county chief administrative officer Walt Ekard and are scheduling meetings with the other agencies.
     
  2. BOLTS4LIFE

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    I kind of had a feeling that the Downtown plan would be the one to happen. Though it pretty much wipes out tailgating, out of all plans this one would bring in the most money.

    I think the next best beneficial plan for the city would be the original one but it doesn't look like that will happen.
     
  3. Ride The Lightning

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    It might wipe out the tailgating, but all that's gonna happen is the party will spill over to all the bars nearby.

    IMO downtown is where it needs to be. Everytime I drive past Petco I think to myself GATDAMN a football stadium would look PERFECT right across the street.
     
  4. RM24

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    Totally agree. I always felt we needed a stadium that had a water backdrop since it's so San Diego. It would be great to host future SuperBowls in it and would look great on TV for future tourists. The Gaslamp would be hoppin before and after the games too. Come on Sanders and get 'er done!
     
  5. LV Bolt Fan

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    I'm still holding out for the Qualcomm site. :icon_party:
     
  6. ghost_

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    does anyone have a satellite pic of where the new stadium will sit?:icon_shrug:
     
  7. bigmike.x.09

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    a new stadium downtown makes this city even better
     
  8. Kwak

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    Downtown is a huge money maker. SBs would be perfect with all that happens downtown/street scene and SD would be a regular stop on the SB circuit. Not to mention other events that could be hosted there.

    Also getting a stadium built would guarantee a World Cup city tour since SD is in the mix even without a stadium that is worthy.

    It would be a big win for the SD City and the Chargers.
     
  9. Buck Melanoma

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    Screw you guys - I got land in VA. :icon_tease:
     
  10. BOLTS4LIFE

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    I agree. I've been to a few games at the Super Dome in New Orleans and not much tailgating happens there. Fans go party at Bourbon Street then eventually walk to the stadium with a drink in their hand.
    If this happens, they should block off traffic in all of Gaslamp Quarter (like they used to do for Street Scene) and have a similar environment.

    With that said... what would be really cool in to bring the "Budweiser Party Tent" there and keep it open during the game for those people that don't have tickets. Have the "Game Day Experience" be all over the city.
    The city would rake in s*it loads of money and many Super Bowls would be hosted here!!!
     
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    That's YOUR problem!!! :lol: :lol: :icon_tease:
     
  12. scottbbo1

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    I still think a stadium on fiesta island would make the most awesome ariel blimp shots ever....pull up boats...tailgates in the sand..
    I know, traffic nightmare and probably would have to dredge more and might hurt OTL.
    Still....
     
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    That would be awesome but it's wishful thinking.
     
  14. HollywoodLeo

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    No tailgating...but make way for epic partying in the gaslamp district both before and after the game!!! :abq2:

    Imagine the gaslamp after a huge win. :yes:
     
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    Here's two that I found:

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    Imagine THIS aerial!

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    Make is so! :abq2:

    Take 1/2 of the square parking lot to the west out to 13th and build some stacked parking structures in the rest of that parking area.
     
  17. PB Bolt

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    I said it before, I'll say it again.

    Do the clean-up and retrofit Qualcomm, a la Soldier Field. I can get there in 15 minutes. No parking issues. Best tailgating in THE WORLD!
     

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    I'd be ecstatic with either keeping the Qualcomm site (whether it be via new stadium or huge retrofit of the current one...provided that fixes the issues) or with the Downtown site shown in this thread.
     
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    Fcuk retrofitting the Q. They need to blow it up and start from scratch.

    Stop trying to polish that turd.
     
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    They can't fix the Murph. I has cracks and other structural issue that would cost more to fix than build a new one.
     
  21. HollywoodLeo

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    I'd have to agree, but I'm no architect and I've hardly surveyed the entire stadium so I was merely just saying if it is possible to fix...

    Anyways, I was really just saying I'd be happy if the same site was kept or the downtown one.
     
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    Who pays for all this? We're broke. The Council was going to take away the beach fire pits again until some crazy old millionaire stepped in and saved them for another 18 months. And they still plan on closing half the bathrooms on Mission Bay.

    Fortunately we don't need tourism dollars in summer.

    I'd love to have a 3/4+ billion dollar stadium that sits empty 340 days out of the year next to another stadium that sits empty 250 days a year, but I'd also like to be able to take a **** without getting arrested on the bay.
     
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    While most of your points still stand, I'm sure they can find other uses for the stadium in the offseason.

    WWE and concerts to name a couple.

    I don't know why they don't use PetCo for that sort of thing in the baseball offseason, but at least the stadium is used 81 times a year. (I would prefer to see it used 87-92 times a year, though)

    My #1 concern, though, is the Chargers staying in San Diego.

    Whether that means a new downtown stadium, a new stadium at the current site, or the Q being refitted, as long as it's still the San Diego chargers.
     
  24. bigmike.x.09

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    yes. i dont care where it is in SD, just keep us in SD.
     
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    They don't want to destroy the turf during baseball season. I get that. Then again, they play professional basketball over ice. There's a solution there too.

    I saw The Stones at Petco. I saw U2 at Sports Arena. Which was better? U2. And the sound there traditionally sucks. U2 was able to dial it in. And there's still Coors/Cricket.

    Short of World Cup level events, it's going to be hard to rationalize a need for two of these things right on top of each other built on ghost town, high rise condo, tax revenue that isn't there. They're all empty. I wouldn't buy one of those condos. They've been sitting with no HOA fees coming in for routine upkeep for literally years now. The developers have all sunk back into Canada preparing for the lawsuits on their turf.

    We're back to greed, image and a power play. Skyboxes or we leave San Diego.
     
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    Fingers and everything else crossed that this signals positive action.

    Be prepared for massive legal objections ala Petco - especially in this economy. The message boards are already awash with Charger haters.

    As for being unoccupied for 340 days a year - that sadly is the case with thousands and thousands of sports stadiums across the world. there are only so many open air concerts, monster jams etc around.

    The main extra income obviously will be a Superbowl every 5 years and a few thousand visiting out of state fans for home games. Can a deal not be done to give the city a % of the income from these luxury boxes that are so crucial to the building of the new stadium? Taxing the rich may be a bit socialist for some.

    What it will all boil down to is whether San Diego politicians and voters want to retain a professional football franchise. I hope so.
     
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    Ask the Cowboys; granted its not exactly the same BUT there'll be motocross, concerts, maybe we can get a big college football game or two, would look great to extend the Poinsettia and Holiday bowls.

    The city is losing almost $100 mil/year on the Q. They're just as happy to get rid of this turd as we are, BUT they can't afford to spend too much money. Though the impression I got amongst those that aren't out of their minds is that if they had to spend cash on a new building, at least build a stadium over a new city hall
     
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    NOOOOOOOOOO! Fiesta Island IS OMBAC, wouldn't want to screw that up.
     
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    Yup, gotta Nuke that Bad Boy!

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    you build it and they will come...think of the bowl games, SD State, concerts during summer time baseball, etc etc etc.
    it seems to me getting the SB every fifth year or so (along with everything else) will get the thing paid for pretty quickly.
    one might also consider that the construction cost may be significanlty less in this enviroment as well.
    it's a long term ROI analysis not your typical 5 year anyway.
    the sales & hotel taxes will be a benefit for the cities operating budget while ample enough to service any debt obligation.
    this of cousre assumes brighter times ahead, but the economy will recover bank on it. SD will be vibrant once again.
    it's too good an idea not to pursue.
     

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