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Russell Okung wants guaranteed contracts for players. Political dude.

Discussion in 'American Football' started by Gill Man, Jul 3, 2018.

  1. Gill Man

    Gill Man Inaugural San Diego Charger Fan Since 1962 FUDEAN Staff Member Moderator

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    Go Russell go. I hope they end up abolishing the salary cap over this. These players are risking their lives, they should get guaranteed contracts. Absolutely.
     
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  3. Harryo the K

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    Of all the major sports, the NFL screws the players the most. If they're smart, they'll strike.

    Perfect timing for pressure on Stan and the Weasel. With the AAF, definitely the XFL, offering minor one year contracts for out of work NFL stars, it'd work.
     
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  4. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard FORMER Charger fan at 7000'

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    I have no issue with guaranteed contracts, but if they get rid of the salary cap get ready for a landscape like MLB where a handful of teams just buy everybody, and the rest have to tank and hope for a small window of opportunity. MLB is great for the players but terrible for fans, unless you like one of the big checkbook teams.
     
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  5. Fender57

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    Also bad for Spenis, who despite the “benefits” of playing in LA will still be unable to compete.
     
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  6. Harryo the K

    Harryo the K Well-Known Member

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    The NFL may 'share' a salary cap same for each team but it's the ones with huge stadiums who can make money 'outside'the already millions in TV money.
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    The Cowboys are the NFL's most valuable team for the 11th straight year and the world's most valuable sports franchise. America’s Team is worth $4.8 billion, up 14%, with profits of $350 million thanks to a booming merchandise business and the revenue opportunities at their new practice facility, The Star.

    The Cowboys generate more than $150 million annually from sponsors. Owner Jerry Jones revolutionized the sponsorship template in the NFL two years after he purchased the team in 1993. He secured agreements with big brands Nike, Pepsi and American Express tied to his stadium, instead of the team, to get around the NFL's control of sponsorships for clubs. Lawsuits flew before Jones settled with the NFL, and a new era was ushered in with teams actively selling sponsorships. The NFL’s 32 teams generated $1.4 billion in revenue last season from sponsorships, ad signage and stadium naming rights.
     
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  7. Chaincrusher

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    The salary cap helps to keep the playing field level so it needs to remain in effect.

    There is no way that NFL contracts should be guaranteed precisely because of the risk of injury. Even great players are just one unfortunate play away from not being able to play any longer.

    Also, fully guaranteed contracts allow the players to go full Gaither (take the money and not play over the slightest alleged injury). Dead money would rise.

    The contracts would have to be shorter and cheaper because of the risk that comes with fully guaranteed contracts. The salalry cap for active contracts would have to be significantly lowered to account for all of the guaranteed money payouts for inactive players.

    Rules would have to be adopted for the accounting of the long term dead money such as possibly liberalizing the ability of teams to accelerate or not accelerate such contracts depending upon the choice of the team otherwise the guaranteed dead money could be pretty crippling.

    Pass.
     
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    You state many of the reasons why I hope it happens. But the main reason is these guys are risking their lives and deserve every penny they can get their hands on before they go mad and/or die young.
     
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    Gill Man Inaugural San Diego Charger Fan Since 1962 FUDEAN Staff Member Moderator

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    I hope Russell Okung's labor campaign causes Dean Spanos and his sons to regret ever signing him......lose sleep, get ulcers, hemorrhoids, and generally end up cementing themselves as the least competitive ownership in the league. I hope he convinces the entire Carson roster they are slaves and ruins team morale for good :laugh:

    Ever attend a practice and see the players sweating blood and tears and killing themselves on the field while Dean drives around in a golf cart observing? I wonder what goes thru Russell's head when he has to endure that humiliation? :eek: It's the modern day sports version of a plantation owner:D
     
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    I agree that football is a very dangerous sport that can produce horrible physical/mental results for players. It is unfortunate for the players that the very risk you speak of serves to drive down the guaranteed money that is being offered. But as long as that risk is the case, I do not see owners converting contracts at the current financial level to 100% guaranteed contracts.
     
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    Your NFL owners. In living color.

     
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    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Same old Bullshite, different day by the loser club.
     
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    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    It will never happen unless the player's union can supply injury insurance to lighten the burden in a very high risk business, on their own dime of course.
     
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    I hate guaranteed contracts in sports. But in this case I hope it happens for NFL players. Force Spanos to sell!
     
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    Guaranteed contracts should be the law. The NFL shouldn't have a say in the matter. Rich people make up the rules though so I don't get a say.
     
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    Lighten the burden for those poor billionaire owners who run a monopoly that mooches off taxpayers.

    Screw people who get hurt on the job and are guaranteed brain damage.
     
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    Im going into my boss right now to demand a guaranteed contract also. I'll let you all know how that worked out!
     
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    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Do you actually believe it is only the NFL that screws injured workers? You are not worth my time, buh- bye!
     
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    don't most of these players get million $ signing bonuses? those are pretty guaranteed

    that said

    FUDEAN
     
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    You had enough time to put words in my mouth and, again, try your best to insult me. I don't mind jackasses - I am one myself. But I don't understand what I have done that has hurt you so badly.
     
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    How did it go?
     
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    He said I was about to hit free agency if I didn’t get back to work.
     
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    That's his specialty, don't you know?;)
     
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    Did you mention you got hurt on the job? Does he know that studies show that nearly 100% of people in your position suffer brain damage and that a class-action lawsuit is almost certainly on the way? Has he heard of OSHA?
     
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    How does 100% of people in his position suffer brain damage? Do the stacks of frozen hamburger patties fall on each McDonald’s employees heads?
     
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    I was seeing if his job was similar to a football player, which is what I thought we were talking about. Sorry if I went off course.
     
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    Chainny...

    There is no way that NFL contracts should be guaranteed precisely because of the risk of injury. Even great players are just one unfortunate play away from not being able to play any longer.
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    They are —right now—guaranteed because of injury. Thus, if the Bucs QB Winston plays this year, gets hurt, he's guaranteed his $20.9 million dollar 2019 contract.

    Despite the claims of this or that free agent five year contract with a team, it,s mostly smoke.
    Owners simply don't want to guarantee money to a high skilled player in years that they can get a cheaper, younger player.
    Thus, players who are playing well in years 3 and 4 can be released for cheaper beef. Plus, you recall the offset language contracts? Again, simply owners wishing to save money, not pay fully what was agreed upon.

    QB Kirk Cousins of Minnesota is the only player with a 100% guaranteed contract.
    Plus, owners have in the the CBA to allow them to keep, for themselves, all and any relocation money, it is not consider 'revenue' to the team salary cap. Pure cream off the top.

    If you can build a $5 billion dollar stadium and pay a team for 2.65 billion dollars.....you can afford guaranteed contracts. Their greed simply won't allow it.
     
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    Sound like a Burger King employee with a grudge. Go back to holding your pickle.
     
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    I just got the joke. Good one.
     

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