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San Diego's Paper Tiger

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Oct 5, 2009.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    In San Diego, there is a Tiger. A Tiger of black and white, no I am not refereeing to a denizen of the San Diego Zoo… I am speaking of the San Diego Chargers who are a team that resembles a paper tiger. They are all stars on paper, on the field, they are less than stellar, and less than motivated.

    How many times have you recently heard that the Chargers are the leagues most talented team? It is thrown around quite a bit. But what is the measurement for talent? Great sack dances? Is it perhaps a winning smile? How about on the field performance, making plays when needed, having a fire in your belly, intestinal fortitude? The Chargers reflect none of those, a quarter ways through the 2009 season. I would suggest that the product does not fit the sales pitch at this moment and time. The Chargers are not playing like one of the leagues most talented teams, quite the opposite.

    Do the Chargers have talent? Hell yes, Philip Rivers is the best Quarterback to play for the Chargers since Dan Fouts, the receivers are the best we have seen as a group since Air Coryell. However, there is a key component that is needed to make it all go. The lines.

    For the offense it is the offensive line. To this point a porous body where even the best linemen do not play a consistent game. They are the ones that have to give Rivers time to find the Wide Receiver deep, they have to open running lanes for the Running Backs.

    The latter has not happened much this season. The offensive line is plying extremely poorly to put it mildly. Many fans claim that Running Back LaDainian Tomlinson is washed up, to old and slow to play the game. I am forced to agree with them. Because you can’t make people miss 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage and still make good positive yardage. Not often any way. The same troubles have plagues speedy Darren Sproles.

    LT as LaDainian is known to the San Diego fans is getting his form back. Against the Pittsburgh Steelers last night he showed some good cuts and moves, but alas, the best cuts in the world will not help you do it alone.

    Defensively things are much worse. We have a few players who are playing their hearts out. Luis Castillo is moving around making tackles and occupying spots the way a 3-4 line man should. He is disengaging and running down plays when needed, but he is almost playing the defensive line alone. Eric Weddle is flying around the secondary and making tackles, interceptions and doing his part. Other than that, there are no real stand outs defensively.

    In fact the lack luster performance of the Defensive team through the first four games gives me the greatest concern for the Chargers. They are uninspired, unmotivated, and are not plying like they have confidence in the scheme, themselves or their ability to stop the opposition.

    Why should they have confidence in stopping the opposition? The Pittsburgh Steelers manhandled the whole defensive team for 40 minutes in the last game. The Chargers forced a punt on only 2 drives. The Steelers scored Touchdowns on 5 other drives, and a field goal on the other…

    The Chargers inability to stop the Steelers was hard to watch. It is hard to even talk about. At least twice, when the Steelers lined up for an obvious Quarterback sneak, the Chargers defense got pushed back 2-3 yards. They got dominated by a maligned and criticized Steelers offensive line. It was as if the Steelers had resurrected their dominating offensive lines of the mid 70’s.

    The Chargers felt they had playmakers, one being Antonio Cromartie, Corner back. Back might be the correct term. He made a name for himself in 2007 when he led the league with just 8 games as a starter. However since then his play has not lived up to the levels all Charger fans had hoped he would reach. This year he is playing consistently off the receiver, allowing easy completions and is in no position to create a turnover. Well last night he had an interception, after grabbing the back of the Receivers jersey and pulling him backwards… Perhaps that is why he is playing so far off, because when he gets close he seems to draw yellow flags.

    I do not mean to be overly harsh, but Cromartie did basically issue a challenge to everyone via twitter when he posted these comments shortly after the loss to the Steelers:

    crimetime31 I could careless who's hating on me abt to tonight. I got to holding calls so what. They didn't attack ne they attacked our Zone defense.
    15 minutes ago from Echofon

    crimetime31 B4 u start to talk abt someone who's in the NFL doing what they *** and try to play my position. If you don't know what's going on the field
    14 minutes ago from Echofon


    It is easy to understand his frustration; the fans are frustrated as well. While most of the fans will never know what it is like to play Corner Back at a professional level, which does not mean they will not heap criticism on something that looks wrong to them… That Mr. Cromartie you will have to get used to, for right or wrong. To be fair, I do think these ‘tweets’ were in the heat of the moment; because it appears they were later deleted…

    I sit here shaking my head as I write this. Many people have known me to be a ‘kool aid drinking fan’ meaning I look for the positives, and do not think it adds much, or shows any particular knowledge or moxy to just heap criticisms on the team just to show that I can do it. But I have to say, the way the team has come out in four games this season and played has me worried.

    There is no fire, no life. They appear to not want to be there. This is unacceptable! Ron Rivera, Defensive Coordinator was shown yelling at his Chargers on the side line in the first half of the Steelers game. It would appear they need a lot more of that. They look disinterested! How can that be? Do they not know that the teams they face will not lay down for them?

    If this team is to win the west this season, they can not hoe for a gift epic failure from Denver. They have to go out and take each and every game. Don’t give me excuses about injuries. So what, we lost people, a lot of teams have. Are the Chargers going to tell us no one can accept the challenge of stepping up and replacing their fallen comrades?

    AJ Smith needs to accept some sour criticisms himself. The focus has been on bling bling players and not enough on fat, angry young men for the lines. Without lines that can hold their own at least some of the game you cant win. AJ is going to have to take a long look at the lines in the off season and try to rectify the situation as best he can.

    The Coaching staff is also going to have to look in the mirror long and hard. The team has become undisciplined (Leading the league in penalties through the first three weeks) and unfocused. They have to find a way to motivate these men and get a fire burning in their bellies. Question their manhood, question their morals, question their parentage! What ever works! DO NOT LET THEM WALK ON THE FIELD LIKE THEY DO NOT CARE!

    LT was seen telling the Defense to get some heart when the Steelers running back gashed them in the fourth quarter for 36 yards on 3 consecutive rushes. The Defense was unable to do anything against the Steelers. They let the game slip away. A game that seemed lost from the first quarter. Well every damn Charger in that locker room needs to listen to LT, and LT needs to lead by example. Do sing it, bring it!

    Game Stats (this is hard to read):
    Rivers 21 of 36 passing for 254 yards, 3 touch downs
    Rothlisberger 26 of 33, passing for 333 yards, 2 touch downs

    Mendenhall, 29 carries for 165, 2 TDs long 32
    Rashard Mendenhall had a career-high 165 yards and two TDs. He's the fifth Steelers player to reach those totals in a single game since the 1970 merger.

    Tomlinson 7 carries for 15 yards, long 5

    Cooper led the team in tackles at 5 solo, 6 assists.


    First downs
    SD 17.......................Pit 32
    Total yards
    SD 251......................Pit 497
    Passing yards
    SD 235......................Pit 320
    Rushing Yards
    SD 16.......................Pit 177
    Penalties
    SD 3 for 20 ..................Pit 6 for 59
    Turnovers
    SD 1 .......................Pit 2
    Punts
    SD 6.......................Pit 2
    Time of Possession
    SD 19:40.......................Pit 40:20
    Yes, Pittsburgh had the ball for two thirds of the game...

    The Chargers have had fewer than 100 yards rushing, while allowing 130-plus yards on the ground, in four straight games to start the season.

    Lastly, all of the Chargers scoring came in the second half. This was supposed to be the season to overcome the late start bug; however the team has come out playing unenthused, uninspired football the beginning of each and every game this season. This has to be addressed. I am not sure what can happen, but the Defense needs a wake up call. While the whole team needs to get a fire in their belly, or they can watch the season roll by in futility.

    Which will it be Chargers? Only you can answer…
     
  2. SDRaiderH8er

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    and why is Cromartie interacting with fans via the Tweet?


    If he cannot handle the fact that he lives under a microscope, then it is time to find another profession.

    Its time to blow up this entire defense, if the 3-4 style defense is not working with the personnel we have. Then switch back to a 4-3, at least that MIGHT work.

    oh, and that was a nice read.
     
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  3. CoronaDoug

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    Very good Conc. Way to not ignore the problems or make excuses for them. We may have to remove your "Kool Aid" tag after all. :lol:
     
  4. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    Good work Conc, nailed alot of great points
     
  5. BoltFanDC

    BoltFanDC Mufflers Are Overrated

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    Dead on, Conc. This team will go nowhere unless they get their act together.

    Denver was supposed to be pathetic this year...yeah, they beat two doormats in Cleveland and Oakland, but they also have wins against Cincinnati (who looks to be for real) and Dallas (no slouch, but beatable for a good team). I don't care who they've played...they are 4-0, we're not. They are playing with confidence and intensity, we're not. Granted their schedule gets much tougher the next few weeks, but unless we turn it up not just one notch, but about three or four, they will beat us handily.

    Which, in the end, might mean they are going to the playoffs, we're not.
     
  6. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    Spot on C.


    I read somewhere that the Bolts haven't scored on their opening drive in 21 games.


    :icon_eek::icon_eek::icon_eek:
     
  7. BoltsFanUK

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    Spot on Conc- AJ also needs to stop trying to get a Antonio Gates in every draft- A diamond in the rough only comes along once a decade.
     
  8. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    "The Coaching staff is also going to have to look in the mirror long and hard. The team has become undisciplined (Leading the league in penalties through the first three weeks) and unfocused. They have to find a way to motivate these men and get a fire burning in their bellies. Question their manhood, question their morals, question their parentage! What ever works!"

    We didn't have that problem when Marty was in charge and belittling the players was not necessary. Why? Because the players respected Marty and wanted to fight hard for the wins.

    Conc... it's time to kick Norv out of your bed and face the truth!!! The players don't look like they want to be there because they don't. They respect Norv. If a coach doesn't have the players respect, you don't stand a chance in Hell!!!
    As you mentioned "no fire, no life"... That's ALL 100% on the head coach. Stop denying it!
     
  9. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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    Nice one Conc :tup:
     
  10. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Alan you may be acustomed to sharing your bed with another man, I assure you that I am not and do not appreciate your constant trash reference to any one and every one you may think is not on the same level of Norv hate as you are.

    You might get more people to agree with you is you stop your childish name calling and tried talking facts or at least unattacking opinions.

    It is also myopic at best to drone on continuously about 'It is all the head Coaches fault.' That is not the case nor is it remotely logical. It is PARTLY the head Coaches fault, but there is enough blame to go around.
     
  11. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Follow up.

    The season is not over, the Charger can still win the West and make the playoffs. They actually have a light schedule from here on out.

    However I cant help but believe there will have to be big changes in attitude and scheme if they are going to find success.
     
  12. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    The fact is that you are ready to throw any player under the bus before you'll even look in Norv's direction. It's like he's your family or something.

    Face facts. We NEVER had these problems under Marty. The players respected Marty but they do NOT respect Norv and there is no point denying it. That just makes you a liar.
     
  13. SDKCFAN

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    Good article and great points. We need a new coach like yesterday. Our window of opportunity for the SB is almost gone!
     
  14. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Your lack of memeory on the topic is laughable. Have a good day.
     
  15. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    Who cares? You don't get a title for making the playoffs or winning a playoff game.

    Our window of opportunity is closing and no Super Bowl will make all of this the biggest wasted era in NFL history. We'll never see a team loaded with this much talent again.
     
  16. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    If you dont care why are you replying?

    I am not sure if your realize this or not, but there are more people who come here than just you.
     
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    There can be no doubt, there is plenty of blame to go around

    :tup:
     
  18. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    Lack of memory nothing. We had less talent and the players would fight hard for the wins. We were always prepared to start and the players wanted to be here!

    Now we're NEVER prepared to start and the players don't want to be here.

    Either you need thicker glasses or indeed Norv is your family.
     
  19. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    I understand that you'll be happy with another playoff win or two.
    Well I say "**** THAT! I WANT A SUPER BOWL TITLE!"
     
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    Unfortunately, I agree with every thing you said Concudan. It's going to be a long two weeks and I can only hope we find an answer before Monday night against Denver.

    Later
     
  21. SDRaiderH8er

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    Marty is gone, and no other team has picked him up! There must be a reason
     
  22. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    Nobody wanted Norv besides AJ. I am not being Pro Marty. It's just pure fact that Norv was a step backwards.
     
  23. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    lol, wut

    And you're taking the personal insults too far once again Alan. You may think it's clever and all, but most (if not all) of the folks here are sick of your gay jokes.
     
  24. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    Wrong. We have Philip locked up for this year + 6 more. As long as we have him, we have a shot.

    Plenty of time to fire everyone and remake it. IMO we are still close, we just need to shore up the lines (big time), eliminate some more bad seeds (CRO, Philips, Hart) and get a coach with some ****ing nuts in here to slap these prima donna douchebags around.
     
  25. BOLTS4LIFE

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    Respect is the key and something Norv is completely incapable of earning.
     
  26. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    Ughhhhhh. You throw personal shots too. Don't be hypocritical.
     
  27. cranberry

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    I think so too, but It's hard to believe Bolts can stop the Broncos with this defense.
     
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    Blow-hard. :lol:
     
  29. Showmeyourbolt

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    Good post.

    The bottom line for me is this. In 07, when Norv was first hired, I have to admit that I was a little peeved. It's well known that we basically signed our DC before our headcoach, which limited our options heavily on who would take the job. Norv was pretty much the only guy who would. But, after a few weeks I tried to look at the bright side. I fell for the continuity argument, and thought that Norv would keep our running attack great and improve the passing game. I thought that while Teddy the Hut didn't do too well in NY, he did have a top five defense in Buffalo, and I told myself that Ron Rivera as LB coach would make a huge difference.

    This is the third year of Norv's regime, and the third year of it being entirely AJ's team. Despite what the media says, we are not the most talented team in football, anyone who says that is living off of the shadow of 2006. We've changed DC's once to seemingly no effect. Our running game is non existent, and seemingly the only thing to have improved is the deep ball which has been inconsistent for us due to an inconsistent offensive line.
    The talent level here is heavily diluted, and our best players seemingly sit at skill positions and not in the trenches. On offense, I can think of three players who other teams would take in a heartbeat over their current starters. On defense, I can think of one, maybe two. The talent we have in the trenches is abysmal, and it's clear that no effort has been made in three or four years to draft any beef high up in the draft. Injuries are an excuse, nothing more. We're missing one player on our defensive line and one on our offensive line, and that is something that good team overcome all of the time.

    All of this has boiled down to my expectations being lowered. I don't think of us as a team that can compete for a Superbowl any more. I don't think of us as a team that can go out and overmatch our opponent on any given Sunday. I look at us as an average team, one of the many such teams who simply have to hope for a magical run to end the season that culminates in a Superbowl appearance (ala Arizona). If that's what AJ was going for when he really took the reigns of this team in 2006, then that's what he's got.
     
  30. Showmeyourbolt

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    Yea, it's called being retired.
     

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