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see that fumble recovery?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by bigmike.x.09, Feb 10, 2007.

  1. bigmike.x.09

    bigmike.x.09 Well-Known Member

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    a. thomas' 68 yard fumble recover for a TD
     
  2. sdchrger

    sdchrger Well-Known Member

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    I think he would look awfully good in the gold and blue.
     
  3. Electric Chair

    Electric Chair Well-Known Member

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    Do you think the Rams want him though? :icon_shrug:
     
  4. sdchrger

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    Thomas or Bulger? :lol:
     
  5. TheLash

    TheLash Well-Known Member

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    I believ that guys an FA this off season. Nice piece to have in your highlight reel.
     
  6. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    I just laughed when the announcers said: "Nobody's gonna catch him!"

    As if anyone was even chasing him...

    (I would love Adalius on this team. I bet the Raiders make a run at him)
     
  7. bigmike.x.09

    bigmike.x.09 Well-Known Member

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    he practically walked it in
     
  8. foober

    foober BoltTalker

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    Here's a question. Both briggs and addalius thomas will be free agents this year. Question for us and the chargers. If we let donnie go does that free up enough money to then have a chance at either. I beleive donnie was to get 3 million this year. Does letting donnie go give us a couple more million. Plus are the chargers off the hook with foleys millions.

    The reason I ask is both briggs and thomas are gonna be expensive. But could loosing foleys and donnies contract money help ease the ability to grab either thomas or briggs.

    And then theres the mccardell and godrey question. Do the chargers hang onto them as well. I beleive they have millions coming to them as well.

    I'm sure kiels going so that frees more money.
     
  9. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    The short answer is YES.

    We will have Donnies base salary to work with in 2007 as a psuedo-credit for lack of a better word to describe his situation. The same with Foley, Turner and McCardell's base salaries (maybe Shaun Phillips as well) although their bonus' would be prorated if applicable.
     
  10. Thunderstruck

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    According to the Chargers, they will have around $10 million in cap-space available after tendering their restricted and exclusive-rights free agents.

    What that tells me is that we're going to have around $10 million with which to sign Dielman (might not happen,) extend Phillips (might not happen until next season,) and go after free agents. Not a lot of flexibility there. If we let Dielman walk we could be a player in free agency but the problem is--then we have to replace Dielman. I just don't see us going after a guy like Thomas or Briggs. Maybe a London Fletcher-type...a veteran who can be had at a decent price with some gas in the tank and a desire to be on a contender. We're just not going to get into bidding wars with other teams, though.
     
  11. foober

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    But what if donnie , foley, kiel and possibly mccardell and godfrey were let go before free agency. Would that free up some free agent money come March 1st above the 10 million were supposed to have to play with.
     
  12. Thunderstruck

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    Yes. I would assume so.
     
  13. foober

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    This free agency will be more interesting I believe than usaul for us. I don't think A.j. will over spend on any player. But if there is a good player for the right price he'll try and get him.

    I'm guessing that mccardell and godfrey are coming back. But thats not a given. I'm pretty sure kiel, donnie, and foley are gone though.
     
  14. Chavez

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    Assuming we bring Phillips back why would we want to go after Thomas or Briggs? We potentially need help at ILB. We should be set outside.
     
  15. foober

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    i doubt A.j. will go after either briggs or thomas.(too expensive) But I beleive briggs could play inside linebacker. And they do want to find one more outside linebaker. But I'm having to guess they'll probably go draft for that position. From what I've read they weren't even looking at inside linebackers at the senior bowl. But just outside linebackers. Which seemed kind of odd. I thought we needed one more inside linebacker. Willis and harris looked really good as inside linebackers at the senior bowl. We will see.

    Free agency should tell us some things which are going to take shape next year.
     
  16. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    I would add Dielman to the list as well.

    The dude ain't squeezing any more money from A.J. and I suspect A.J.'s professional feelings are "hurt".
     
  17. Shamrock

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    This really isn't the thread for it .... but what the hell ....

    Donnie's "money" isn't even counted in the 2007 cap. Caps are year to year, and don't take into consideration base salaries of the previous year. What he made means nothing to the reports of our future cap and doesn't free up anything.

    Dropping Foley will free up some money. Want to know how much?

    Original contract Foley signed with San Diego.
    USA Today Salary database - Foley

    2004
    Base: $ 535,000
    Signing: $ 1,250,000
    Other: $ 2,500

    2005
    Base: $ 540,000
    Signing: $ 0
    Other: $ 1,751,430

    Note: I believe that 2005 $ 1.751 a one time roster bonus that was amortized against the 2005 cap. You can see that by the cap charge the Chargers took for Foley in 2005 ( $ 2,708,096 ) in the USA Today link.

    ..$417k (1/3 2004 signing bonus)
    + $ 1.751k (2005 extension roster bonus)
    + $ 540k (2005 base)

    = $2.708 mill - The numbers match the USA Today figures.


    NFLPA.org - Foley

    2006
    Base: $ 775,000
    Other: $ 875,000 (Roster bonus, per UT article)

    March 16th, 2005 Chargers sign Foley to three-year extension (through 2009).

    Stories like this are wrong.
    $3 mill "signing" bonus is wrong. IMO, the $3 mill is so-called guaranteed money. A combination of the 2005 $ 1.751 mill roster bonus, his 2005 base salary, and the 2006 $ 875k roster bonus. Those three amounts roughly equal $3 mill. This is where the press and agents (and radio/tv pundits) totally confuse fans about contract amounts, and how those funds are paid and spread into the current and future caps.

    From the NFLPA.org link above, Foley's 2007 base pay is $ 1,000,000. There might be some roster bonus that hasn't been listed, but as of now, that's all I can find, especially considering the reported total contract money and adding all the previous reported bonuses.

    In other words, IMO, dropping Foley adds an even $ 1,000,000 to the 2007 salary cap.

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    What does all this mean? For 2006, the Chargers cap charge for Foley would have been:

    2006 cap charge

    1/3 2004 signing bonus: $ 416,667
    2006 Base: $ 775,000
    2006 roster bonus: $ 875,000

    Total 2006 cap charge: $ 2,066,667

    2007 cap charge

    There will be ZERO dead space if Foley is released after 2006, because the final amortization of his 2004 signing bonus was taken against the 2006 salary cap. All other bonuses that have been paid were one time hits to the cap in the form of roster bonuses.

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    How about Kiel?

    NFLPA.org - Kiel

    2003 225000.00
    2004 305000.00
    2005 380000.00
    2006 500000.00
    2007 545000.00
    2008 545000.00

    USA Today Salary Database - Kiel

    2003 signing bonus was $ 1,250,000. That is an annual amortization of $ 208,333.

    If Kiel was let go before the 2007 season, the Chargers would assume $ 416,667 of dead space on the 2007 salary cap.

    With a base salary of $545,000 + $208,333 yearly amortization, Kiel currently counts as $753,333 against the 2007 cap.

    $753,333 - $416,667 (dead space hit) = $336,666

    In other words, dropping Kiel adds $ 366,666 to the 2007 cap.

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    I haven't figured out McCardell's cap calculations ........
     
  18. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    This really isn't the thread for it .... but what the hell ....

    Why didnt AJ ship Donnie off to New Orleans when he had the opportunity?
     
  19. Shamrock

    Shamrock Well-Known Member

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    This really isn't the thread for it .... but what the hell ....

    Somebody can go look up the old threads and press links, but this is basically what happened:

    AJ asked for a 2007 2nd.

    New Orleans GM Mickey Loomis initially offered a 2007 4th, but upped the offer to a 3rd. AJ balked, still seeking a 2nd, and the talks broke down.

    Then they talked again, and it was reported AJ was willing to take a third. The press reported that Loomis had offered a third. Still, no deal was made even though it appeared the two sides had matched value for a deal.

    Later, around the end of the trade deadline, word leaked out about Loomis' true offer. Yes, the Saints final offer had been a third, but a 2008 third round pick. By trade chart value, that's equivalent to a 2007 4th round pick, so Loomis had never truly "upped" his offer (real value) over his initial stance, while AJ had come down from a 2nd to a 3rd.
     

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