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Slightly off topic... NFL in LA.

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by BOLTS4LIFE, Jan 9, 2008.


    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

    Oct 13, 2006
    This post is not in reference to any articles or links.
    It's just my outlook on the topic and as they say "actions speak louder that words!"

    The way I see it is that IF (and that's a Big "IF") NFL does indeed return to LA, I don't see it happening for at least ten years.
    These are the reasons...

    Rams and Raiders...
    As we all know, they left LA after the 96 season. If LA could not provide for two NFL teams, that would be one thing but why didn't they let the Raiders leave and look into building up to keep the Rams? After all, that was their original team.
    Bigger picture to look at...
    Rams leaving LA for St. Louis. Obviously St. Louis had been looking to bring NFL back to it's city BUT LA is suppose to be the ideal place for any NFL franchise.
    Raiders return to the city they left for another old stadium that is hardly an upgrade from the LA Coliseum.
    Those actions speak pretty loud if you ask me!!!

    I don't believe that Bill Bidwill's original intention was to stay in Arizona (after leaving St. Louis.) Several times, the Cardinals were suppose to move to LA. For years, all Arizona fans would see in their local newspaper (regarding the Cardinals) is how the plan in LA is coming along.
    It was once rumored that there was a plan for them to swap names with St. Louis after the move so the Rams were back in LA and the Cardinals were back in St. Louis (keep in mind, I said "rumored.")
    If LA could have provided a new stadium (or plans for one), he would have loaded the moving truck without batting an eyelash.
    Not to mention that LA and NFL had PLENTY of time to make this work!!!

    That was another team that was supposed to move to LA shortly after the departure of the Rams and Raiders but got absolutely no where. It got a lot of media attention for maybe two months but then came the stadium plans in Seattle.

    One expansion slot open... perfect time to bring NFL back to LA!!!
    Houston got it... ENOUGH SAID!!!

    If anyone were moving to LA (after the other attempts failed), I think Saints were the top candidate. In a messed up way, Katrina kept that from happening because a move after that terrible tragedy would have given NFL a horrible image.
    Though I think their recent success has saved them too. After making it to the NFC Championship for their first time in franchise history, that got them a five year contract to play in the Super Dome. If they had another 2-3 win season, the contract wouldn't have happened.
    Though they will still need a new stadium eventually.

    Then there's the teams that need new homes...

    They're stuck in the Oakland Coliseum until Al Davis croaks. After that time, MAYBE Oakland or another city will talk to them (under new ownership.)

    Last I heard (which was about 3 years ago) that the owner may be forced to put the Bills up for sale but will make sure it's sold to someone who plans to keep them in Buffalo.

    In the works of a new stadium and will most likely stay in Minnesota.

    Will still be the San Francisco 49ers.

    Spanos will own the Southern California region for a looooong time and he knows it!! That's why he's going farther than most other owners would to stay where he is!!! :bolt:

    I think if NFL was as serious about putting a team back in LA... it would have happened a long time ago (especially with an open expansion available.) Right now, the NFL wants every city to have a newly renovated stadium. LA is leverage.

    The way I do see NFL returning to LA is if they open new expansions. Right now, there are eight divisions and thirty two teams.
    It might make sense to someday add eight teams. One expansion in each division and forty teams all together.
    If that is to happen, I don't see it happening till at least ten years.

    With that said... LA has ALL the leverage!!!
    NFL wants a team there, LA says "YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!"
    Team, Stadium, Location, and everything else.

    Any different opinions?
  2. auctoritas

    auctoritas BoltTalker

    Dec 17, 2006
    Eight expansion teams would be crazy...absolutely crazy.

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

    Oct 13, 2006
    They can find eight cities willing to do it though.
    Well, six if the two team plan in LA works out (which of course will be completely funded by NFL.)

    At this moment right now, I can say "I don't like it" but ten years from now, I might thing differently.
  4. reddenedbeard

    reddenedbeard Well-Known Member

    Aug 2, 2006
    If 8 teams are created, talent level per team will drop off significantly in the league.

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

    Oct 13, 2006
    I can say "I don't like it (at this point)" because that gives my team less of a chance to win a Super Bowl title.

    They're already playing games in other countries.
    If they add one new expansion team, we'll see more.
  6. BoltzRule

    BoltzRule Well-Known Member

    Jun 4, 2006
    Goodell isn't as desperate to get a NFL team in LA, actually I think he said that they have no intention right now. Goodell appears to have more interest in expanding the game globally more than anything else.

    And the league is very happy with 32 teams, it's a perfect balance, anymore teams and like others said the talent level drops off significantly and so does the NFL game.

    If LA gets a team it'll be someone relocating. I see it possibly being the Raiders after Al dies.

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

    Oct 13, 2006

    I completely agree. I think 32 teams is fine!!!
    I like the idea of 40 teams about as much as I like NFL games in Europe.

    If new expansions happen, that all comes back to the "Big IF" NFL returns to LA. That's the only way I see it happening.

    When Al Davis croaks, the Raiders will get a new stadium (some where.) The question will be... "How far will politicians in Oakland be willing to go to keep them there?"
    Right now, Al knows damn well what the answer would be if he asked for a new stadium or threatened to move the team. IMO, I don't think any city would be willing to take them under Al Davis.
  8. sdbound

    sdbound Well-Known Member

    Jul 21, 2006
    I got to thinking about your post and I think that the NFL could expand to 40 teams without a major drop off in talent quality. Would an expansion increase the television revenue enough to offset the sharing of that revenue stream? The teams share television revenue equally and the stadium gate 60/40 home/visitor and the home team keeps all of the club and box revenue. Goddell is focused on increasing the global television audience because that is the big money.

    Anyway, here are the metropolitan areas that I think could easily support a team or an additional team.

    New York
    Los Angeles 2-3 teams
    San Juan
    San Antonio
    Las Vegas
    San Jose
    Virginia Beach
    Salt Lake City

    Here they are top 50 MSAs ranked by population;

    Rank Metropolitan Statistical Area State(s) and/or Territory July 1, 2006Population Estimate
    1 New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island NY–NJ–PA 18,818,536
    2 Los Angeles–Long Beach–Santa Ana CA 12,950,129
    3 Chicago–Naperville–Joliet IL–IN–WI 9,505,748
    4 Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington TX 6,003,967
    5 Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington PA–NJ–DE–MD 5,826,742
    6 Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown TX 5,539,949
    7 Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach FL 5,463,857
    8 Washington–Arlington–Alexandria DC–VA–MD–WV 5,290,400
    9 Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Marietta GA 5,138,223
    10 Detroit–Warren–Livonia MI 4,468,966
    11 Boston–Cambridge–Quincy MA–NH 4,455,217
    12 San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont CA 4,180,027
    13 Phoenix–Mesa–Scottsdale AZ 4,039,182
    14 Riverside–San Bernardino–Ontario CA 4,026,135
    15 Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue WA 3,263,497
    16 Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington MN 3,175,041
    17 San Diego–Carlsbad–San Marcos CA 2,941,454
    18 St. Louis MO–IL 2,796,368
    19 Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater FL 2,697,731
    20 Baltimore–Towson MD 2,658,405
    * San Juan–Caguas–Guaynabo PR 2,509,007*
    21 Denver–Aurora CO 2,408,750
    22 Pittsburgh PA 2,370,776
    23 Portland–Vancouver–Beaverton OR–WA 2,137,565
    24 Cleveland–Elyria–Mentor OH 2,114,155
    25 Cincinnati–Middletown OH–KY–IN 2,104,218
    26 Sacramento–Arden-Arcade–Roseville CA 2,067,117
    27 Orlando–Kissimmee FL 1,984,855
    28 Kansas City MO–KS 1,967,405
    29 San Antonio TX 1,942,217
    30 San Jose–Sunnyvale–Santa Clara CA 1,787,123
    31 Las Vegas–Paradise NV 1,777,539
    32 Milwaukee–Waukesha–West Allis WI 1,753,355
    33 Columbus OH 1,725,570
    34 Indianapolis-Carmel IN 1,666,032
    35 Virginia Beach–Norfolk–Newport News VA–NC 1,649,457
    36 Providence–New Bedford–Fall River RI–MA 1,612,989
    37 Charlotte–Gastonia–Concord NC–SC 1,583,016
    38 Austin–Round Rock TX 1,513,615
    39 Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin TN 1,455,097
    40 Jacksonville FL 1,277,997
    41 Memphis TN–MS–AR 1,274,704
    42 Louisville–Jefferson County KY–IN 1,222,216
    43 Richmond VA 1,194,008
    44 Hartford–West Hartford–East Hartford CT 1,188,841
    45 Oklahoma City OK 1,172,339
    46 Buffalo–Niagara Falls NY 1,137,520
    47 Birmingham–Hoover AL 1,110,019
    48 Salt Lake City UT 1,067,722
    49 Rochester NY 1,035,435
    50 New Orleans–Metairie–Kenner LA 1,024,678
  9. reddenedbeard

    reddenedbeard Well-Known Member

    Aug 2, 2006
    You still have to look at it realistically .. I'm purely looking at this as a fan base ..

    NY .. no way they add another team. They have 2 there already.
    LA .. they need to get 1 before they add a 2nd.
    Chicago .. possibility but the team will always be 2nd to the Bears.
    Dallas .. no way in hell. Cowboys rule there.
    Miami .. no way .. Dolphin, even with there 1 win season still are the team.
    Riverside .. maybe. But their financials aren't much better than San Diego's.
    San Juan .. I could see that .. baseball before NFL though.
    San Jose .. I see the Raiders moving their eventually once Davis is out of the picture.
    Portland .. never understood why there isn't more talk of one here.
    Sacramento .. maybe but 9er/Raider area.
    Orlando .. I could see that but does the NFL want another team in Florida?
    San Antonio .. city is hungry for one (or so it seems). I think if the Oilers were still in Houston, I think that this would not even be a possibility because of the proximity.
    Las Vegas .. yes but I think the gambling thing is still a real issue.
    Columbus .. I suppose
    Milwaukee .. really? Packer land. Up until a few years ago, they played half their games in the city.
    Virginia Beach .. Possibly.
    Providence .. This is complete Patriot territory now .. seriously doubt it.
    Austin .. only if San Antonio doesn't get one. How big is the town when UT is not in session?
    Louisville .. could see that. But I think it might be a stretch.
    Richmond .. Possibly. But any area in Virginia, you are competing with the Skins.
    Hartford .. doubtful. Seems to have a big Patriot fan base.
    Oklahoma .. they certainly seem to making some moves in recent years (particularly in the NBA) so I guess it is possible.
    Birmingham .. conceivable I suppose. But mostly a college football area, isn't it?
    Salt Lake City .. I could see that .. would be fun to go to a stadium that is either dry or with 3/2 beer. :p
  10. Kwak

    Kwak ....

    May 25, 2006
    The NFL has been trying for years to get an NFL team back into LA, but LA could give a shet about it. It there was a great desire to have a team in LA, by the people in LA, we would be hearing about it.

    Many groups have stepped up to try and get a team there, but all have failed. A team was gift wrapped by the NFL for the LA market and they could not get it together and build a stadium for the team.

    That team became the Texans.

    LA doesn't care. Why does the NFL keep trying put a team in a city that could give a ****? :icon_shrug:
  11. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

    Aug 15, 2006
    I'd like to see a team in Portland, Salt Lake City, San Antonio, and Orlando. Fuk LA.
  12. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

    Dec 27, 2005
    8 new teams? even in ten years that means some 500 more players

    Just don't see how it could happen. Plus, there are many areas like Chicago and Green Bay that draw from hundreds of miles around. New York already has two teams that play in the same stadium! LA just doesn't care. Maybe another team in Texas, but I don't see another one in CA. The Mid-West is College football country. I just don't see where the support is gonna come from

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

    Oct 13, 2006
    But NFL does.
    LA has the leverage and is playing their cards right... "You want it, you make it happen. The team, stadium, location and everything else!!!"
  14. ntman68

    ntman68 Well-Known Member

    Aug 16, 2006
    The problem as I see it, is the NFL's arrogance. They insist that public money be part of the mix for a team and stadium. Several LA sources have put stadium deals on the table that used no taxpayer funds, but the NFL said no.

    The NFL is used to backwater towns like Oakland and St. Louis (no offense if you are from there) paying ridiculous fees, PSL's, etc. to get a team in the city. The people in LA would love to have another team, but they aren't going to pay any additional tax money to do so. Nor should they have to, IMO.

    I fretted for some time about not having a team in LA, but the more I stewed over the NFL's God-complex, the less I cared if it ever got done. The NFL needs to get over themselves.
  15. Chargers-Superhero

    Chargers-Superhero Just win the Damn SB !!!

    Mar 10, 2007
    Just like the pitching in baseball:icon_tease:
  16. Chargers-Superhero

    Chargers-Superhero Just win the Damn SB !!!

    Mar 10, 2007
    I don't want to see another team in Florida, or Texas. :tdown:
  17. BeerGuy

    BeerGuy BoltTalker

    Jan 16, 2007
    Is there any truth to the rumor that the NFL is considering moving the Chargers to L.A.? I heard it on the radio the other day.
  18. BoltzRule

    BoltzRule Well-Known Member

    Jun 4, 2006
    Just because you hear it on the radio doesn't make it true. The media was convinced the Saints would be the ones moving to L.A. not too long ago.

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