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Snap Judgments: Jay Cutler ... the story that just won't go away

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Johnny Lightning, Mar 23, 2009.

  1. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

    Feb 7, 2006
    By Don Banks

    Took a trip around the Internet on Wednesday morning, and here's what I found: This Jay Cutler story really has legs, as we say in our business.

    Talk about an issue having tentacles in a lot of different directions. The Cutler saga is dominating the discussion in the NFL to such a degree right now that I almost feel sorry for Terrell Owens. Nobody's even talking about the poor guy. His jump to Buffalo is so yesterday that it might as well have occurred in 2006. Maybe things would perk up if he demanded a trade.

    The top three most popular questions in the NFL today are who's going to trade for Cutler, what should Denver do with Cutler, and why is it that AIG thinks it can get away with paying Cutler a bonus? OK, I made that last one up, but give it two days and somebody will run with it.

    Here's just a sampling of what I read about Wednesday:

    • The Dallas Morning News shooting down a notion that has taken on a life of its own on Cowboys blogs: Trading Tony Romo for Cutler straight up. No word on whether Jessica Simpson goes, too.

    • Various outlets pooh-poohing the idea that a Cutler for Donovan McNabb trade makes sense in Philadelphia. It has been correctly noted that the thin-skinned Cutler might just get his feelings roughed up a bit in a town of Philly's ilk.

    • Redskins personnel executive Vinny Cerrato re-affirming that Jason Campbell is the team's starting quarterback and that Washington has no interest in trading for Cutler.

    • The Bears starter Kyle Orton saying he's unfazed by rumors that Chicago might be interested in trading for Cutler.

    • Lions general manager Martin Mayhew refusing to address the issue of whether Detroit will attempt to trade for you-know-who for the second time this offseason.

    • Former NFL quarterback and ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer responding to questions from the Minneapolis Star Tribune about whether Cutler would represent an upgrade at the position for the Vikings. His take? Not really.

    • The Tampa Tribune warning that acquiring Cutler -- the Bucs too already tried to trade for him earlier this offseason -- may not be a move worth making.

    The Tennessean of Nashville making the case that the Titans missed out on drafting Cutler over Vince Young in 2006, and have a rare opportunity to correct that mistake.

    • Texans fans wanting their team to trade for Cutler as a replacement for the injury-prone Matt Schaub, but the Houston Chronicle reporting that J.C. won't be playing for ex-Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak any time soon.

    • In Cleveland, the Plain-Dealer saying a three-way deal that involves the Browns shipping quarterback Brady Quinn away to Denver in exchange for a draft pick or picks -- with Cutler going to the third team in the deal -- makes the most sense for Cleveland's muddled QB situation.

    • Former Jets quarterback and current CBS NFL analyst Boomer Esiason makings no bones about it, telling the New York Post that the Jets should go "guns a-blazing and try to get'' Cutler in a trade.

    • Newspapers in South Florida weighing in on the side of the Dolphins needing to think long and hard about opting for a trade for Cutler over the combination of Chad Henne's future and Chad Pennington's present.

    • And fan blogs in places like Buffalo, Jacksonville and Arizona brimming with dreams of trading the likes of Trent Edwards, David Garrard or Matt Leinart for Cutler.

    Indeed, Cutler has become the all-purpose savior of choice among teams not making the playoffs last season. And quite a few that did. Best I can tell, the only teams or fan bases that have absolutely no interest in acquiring Cutler are Indianapolis (which is a pity, since Cutler was born in Santa Claus, Ind.), New England (the Pats have a guy coming off knee surgery who they think could be pretty good), and maybe assorted recent Super Bowl winners such as Pittsburgh and the Giants. But that's about it.

    And I don't know about you, but my sense is Cutler-gate isn't going away for a while yet. For a guy with a 17-20 career record as an NFL starter, who's still waiting to make his first playoff appearance, Cutler certainly seems to be creating a lot to talk about.
  2. Rainman

    Rainman BoltTalker

    Sep 4, 2006
    At this point, the only way Jay could get MORE publicity would be to run into the street as Donte Stallworth comes driving by. :nana_dance:
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  3. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

    Feb 7, 2006

    • It's good to hear that the NFL's competition committee didn't find much support among the players or the league's 32 clubs for tinkering with the overtime format. On a conference call Wednesday afternoon to set up next week's NFL annual meeting in Dana Point, Calif., competition committee co-chairman Rich McKay of the Falcons made it very clear that the vast majority of people within the league don't feel there's any need to fix what's not broken.

    "We've got nothing to propose, because there's just not enough support at this time to change [overtime],'' McKay said. "We think overtime still achieves its major goal; it breaks ties. With the players and with the membership, there's great support for the current system. I sense more concern within the media than with either the players or the membership.''

    Not this media member. I've come around to believing that there is no perfectly "fair'' fix for overtime, and there's no compelling reason to ditch the current system of a coin flip to start a sudden-death 15-minute period. If your team didn't get the ball in overtime, it's because your defense didn't stop the other guys. Case closed.

    My colleague Peter King and I have been arguing back and forth about "fixing'' overtime for months now, and I got to relay to him Wednesday that no OT proposal is forthcoming at this year's league meeting. He wasn't happy, a sentiment he'll no doubt expound on at some point soon.

    • No major rule change proposals are coming at this year's league meetings, but it's the right move for the competition committee to propose an expansion of the list of reviewable plays to include the sort of occurrence that got referee Ed Hochuli on the most-wanted lists in San Diego last season.

    In Week 2 of last season, Denver quarterback Jay Cutler (there's that name again) lost the ball in the final minutes of a game against the Chargers, but it was ruled by Hochuli an incomplete pass and not a fumble, and thus couldn't be reviewed. The Chargers ended up losing the game after Denver got that reprieve, and Hochuli later admitted he blew the call. The change would make that play reviewable no matter how it's ruled on the field, just as the league two years ago altered the rules allowing down-by-contact plays to be reviewed.

    • The other common-sense move the league appears likely to make involves a bylaw change that will set the draft order of all playoff-qualifying teams according to how far they advance in the postseason. Currently, only the two Super Bowl teams are locked in at Nos. 31 and 32 in the first round, with the other 10 playoff teams put in reverse order based on their regular season record.

    For instance, this year Tennessee will draft at No. 30 based on its 13-3 record in the regular season, and Baltimore (11-5) will be No. 26, despite the fact the Ravens beat the Titans in the divisional round of the playoffs and advanced to the AFC title game. If the bylaw is changed, the 10 playoff teams that didn't make the Super Bowl will be slotted according to the length of their postseason run, not their regular-season record.

    I've never quite understood why the NFL used regular-season records to begin with in establishing the draft order for playoff teams.

    "The [playoff field] re-seeding discussion of last year led us to the idea of looking at the last couple of drafts, and seeing what the impact would be,'' McKay said. "It's a committee recommendation that we would fix the system with regards to treating people by where they go out of the playoffs rather than regular-season standings.''

    • Jacksonville submitted a bylaw proposal to the competition committee that will serve to re-start the discussion this year on whether the league should change its playoff seeding format to be strictly based on overall records, rather than giving preference to the four division champions. But from the sound of things, McKay and his committee brethren again this year don't gauge enough interest in getting anything changed in that regard.

    Even with the examples that the 8-8 division-winning Chargers and 9-7 division-winning Cardinals provided last season (both won first-round playoff home games against wild-card teams with far superior records in the Colts and Falcons), look for more talk, but no action on the playoff re-seeding issue at the league meeting.

    • Don't hold your breath waiting to hear any hard news out of the NFL's annual meeting regarding an increase to a 17- or 18-game regular season. It's going to be a major point of discussion, but the reality is it'll be linked to the upcoming collective bargaining agreement negotiations with the players union, and thus nothing will get decided about a schedule change until there's a new labor deal. No vote of any kind will occur next week in California.

    Decreasing the length of the
    preseason a game or two, with an corresponding increase of the regular season, is a puzzle with many moving parts, and the league has to address issues ranging from how it impacts its TV partners, to the players' top concern, a longer season producing a greater risk of injury. In other words, the NFL has to get its ducks in a row.

    The league continues to contemplate a switch to either a 17- or 18-game regular-season schedule, but my sense is commissioner Roger Goodell will push for the two-game increase all at once, rather than opt to do two separate one-game increases. The NFL has expanded its regular season from 12 to 14 to 16 games over the years, so the two-game increment has a precedent.

    • One bit of non-action on the rules change front did surprise me: the competition committee, which is co-chaired by Titans head coach Jeff Fisher, isn't recommending any change to how the game officials keep track of the play clock. As everyone remembers, the Titans got hosed late in their playoff loss to Baltimore when the Ravens avoided being called for a delay of game penalty, despite the play clock clearly having expired.

    "Was there a play in that game? I don't recall,'' McKay quipped, before going on to say that the committee's review of the entire season turned up just two plays that were obvious missed play-clock violations, and that wasn't enough to merit a change in how the system works. The league instead intends to re-emphasis play-clock watching to its game officials, McKay said.

    Which I'm sure, at this point is a great comfort to Fisher and his team.

    • That nine-minute Marshawn Lynch news conference in Buffalo on Wednesday afternoon was a beauty. Lynch said he expects Goodell to suspend him in the wake of him pleading guilty to a misdemeanor gun charge in Los Angeles earlier this month -- his second entanglement with the legal system in two years.

    "I got a lot of insight out of it from commissioner Goodell,'' Lynch said, of his Tuesday meeting with Goodell in the NFL's New York office. "Something that he stressed throughout that meeting was that he will not tolerate any more screw-ups by me, so I think that's sinking in to me.''

    Lynch said he expects to know within 10 days whether his "screw-ups'' will prompt a suspension, but he's counting on it. Goodell is expected to hand down a suspension of anywhere from one to four games.

    "Just from the situations that happened with me before, and people kind of felt that I skated off with not being suspended, I do [expect one],'' said Lynch, with unusual bluntness. "For me, I honestly see a suspension coming.''

    Here's hoping Goodell doesn't disappoint him.

    Man this is a long article... :icon_evil:
  4. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard Charger fan at 7000'

    Jul 12, 2007
    Or spit out eight babies.
  5. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

    Feb 7, 2006
    Jets interested in trading for QB Cutler

    If the Denver Broncos decide to deal disgruntled QB Jay Cutler, it appears they will have at least one interested trading partner.

    New York Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum contacted the Broncos at the opening of the NFL meetings on Sunday to let Denver know the Jets are very interested in trading for Cutler, the New York Daily News reported, citing multiple unnamed sources.

    The Jets have not made a formal trade offer, according to the report, and Denver has not indicated what it would seek in return. The Broncos are still holding out hope they can repair their relationship with the 25-year-old quarterback, and thus avoid having to deal him.

    Cutler has been at odds with coach Josh McDaniels since reports surfaced last month that the Broncos' new head man had tried to engineer a trade that would have sent Cutler out of town and brought Matt Cassel, who has since been traded to Kansas City, to Denver.

    Cutler made his first Pro Bowl in 2008 after throwing for 4,526 yards, while tossing 25 touchdown passes against 18 interceptions. The Broncos went 8-8, losing their last four games to narrowly miss the playoffs.
  6. Thumper

    Thumper WHS

    Aug 24, 2005
    Yeah, I don't think the Chargers or their fans have ANY interest in getting that POS Cutler.
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  7. boltssbbound

    boltssbbound Well-Known Member

    Jun 16, 2006
    Yeah, what an insult to Rivers to leave the Bolts out as one of the teams not interested in Cu_ntler. My favorite quote from the story was Trent Dilfer saying that Jay Cutler would not really improve the Vikings QB situation. :lol:
  8. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

    Feb 7, 2006
    Secrets Inside Cutler Trade Talks


    Several weeks ago, I called one of my NFL sources for information regarding the free agent market. I received what I expected, and something I didn't: a heads up about a "possible three-way trade in the near future."

    I figured my source was talking about a deal outside of Denver; because clearly if they were holding a secret about a grain of salt in the Rocky Mountains my source would have spilled the beans even about that right then and there right?


    Never in my wildest dreams did I think that vague tip weeks ago was about Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels, and the "Real World" episode airing about them daily on a television set now near you.

    Unfortunately, the dots were finally connected for me in our conversation just (yes just) yesterday afternoon.

    "Sorry, I'm so sorry Josina. I couldn't tell you at the time. [The secret trade talks] were too high up then. But, when I knew it was about to get out I tried to call you. Unfortunately I didn't have the phone with your number in it right then and there," my source explained pitifully.


    Clearly my source forgot about this radical invention called 411. You dial it on the phone nearest to you, and ask the operator to connect you to KDVR FOX 31 in Denver.


    After I finished yanking their chain for a good ten minutes over the phone, my source relented and revealed some rather interesting details about the now infamous Cutler trade that didn't materialize, and, their primary insight about Denver's A-list key players.

    The first thing the source wanted to emphasize without hesitation was the fact that McDaniels definitely had his hand in the cookie jar.

    Even though McDaniels characterized the Cutler trade talks as just “conversations,” in a recent interview with the NFL Network, and said that, “there wasn’t anything that we were trying to push hard to get through,” my source begged to differ in unbridled amusement.

    "[Denver] was definitely negotiating. They were trying to get a trade in place and there is no doubt about that," said the league source.

    “From Minnesota to Detroit to Tampa, although they got in the game late, Denver was trying to get something in place.”

    As for why McDaniels was so hard pressed to roll Cutler out on the next Rocky Mountain train to “Anywhere but Here-land” my source (with primary knowledge of these conversations) said there were consistent themes in the coach’s concerns about Cutler.

    The source expanded their perspective of McDaniels’ concerns of Cutler learning and working in the Broncos’ new offensive scheme.

    “This is a very complex situation. You have to be so smart to play his [McDaniels’] offense. [Tom] Brady and [Matt] Cassel are exceedingly smart quarterbacks. They are not the best athletes in the world but they both make really intelligent decisions. Cutler has a canon for an arm, but he doesn’t manage the game like those guys in critical situations. Brady and Cassel are workaholics. They have the stature, and they have the ability,” said the source.

    Well everyone can argue about who they feel is the better quarterback between Cutler and Cassel now.

    But at the end of the day, when it comes to the root of all of this drama in Denver, the source told FOX31 to point at New England and Kansas City.

    “[Bill] Belichick had first round offers and then some for Cassel. Believe me, a lot of people knew that was on the table. But look at what Matt ended up going to Kansas City for nothing. (Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel went to the Chiefs in exchange for a 2009 second round draft pick.) Trust me Bill wanted to pull the trigger on this one sooner rather than later. Then [Scott] Pioli [the Chiefs new General Manager and former Patriots personnel executive] was scared [edit]-less that he wasn’t going to end up with Cassel for a moment there because before he left [New England] Scott was [edit] sure he was going to get Matt-that’s why I feel he took the job in Kansas City. I am convinced it was [Belichick’s and Pioli’s master plan for [Pioli] to get Cassel all along when you watch how this played out.”

    As for why Belichick ended up giving the Chiefs and Pioli such a sweetheart deal, the source opined some more.

    “At the time all of this was going down, there’s was a part of me that felt like Belichick really wanted to take credit for Cassel. You see, I think if Matt goes to Kansas City, there is a chance he won’t be as good in the Chiefs’ system. Obviously if Cassel ended up in Denver, McDaniels can take more ownership of Matt’s success.”

    But the league source told FOX31 sports that in his opinion Belichick took a lesser deal for Cassel in part to disassociate McDaniels’ work in Cassel’s accomplishments.

    “I think Bill wants people to know that Brady and Cassel are successes because of his system. You see every other coach that left the Patriots has basically fallen flat on their face.”

    As for who McDaniels will scout to replace Cutler if the Pro Bowl quarterback leaves?

    “It will definitely have to be somebody who is smart enough to understand the intricacies of his system.”

    And if Cutler is smart enough, he’ll make sure he convinces McDaniels he’s the guy not just physically but mentally as well.

    “McDaniels has all the leverage he needs because Cutler is under contract, period. If Cutler tries to force his way out of there, plays for another team and performs poorly after all of this drama, his value will tank tremendously. Hopefully he decides to go back, but right now he is looking like an [edit].”


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