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Spanos: Its on VJ and McNeill

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by matilack, Sep 9, 2010.

  1. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Spanos: It's on VJ and McNeill - SignOnSanDiego.com


    “They have put themselves in this position,” Spanos said. “We did not put them in this position. It’s very clear to me, obviously, the CBA changed this year … We tendered them the highest possible offer we could, which is $3.2 or $3.3 million, which far exceeded their previous four years salaries collectively. They had 2½ months to go out and find a team to play for. They didn’t, or couldn’t. They elected at the end of 2 ½ months to not sign the tender. That’s the end of the story.

    “It was a business decision they made. I wish they were here, I wish they were playing for us. I believe they need to sign the tenders and come in and see what happens after that.”
     
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    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    Dean is right.

    The players put themselves in this position by not signing the original tenders.

    You know, the same tenders which were collectively agreed upon by all parties (management and players way back when).
     
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    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    I heard there were over 13,000 tickets available for the Home Opener which is 10 days away.

    I can not remember the last time we had that many tickets available this close to the Home Opener unless we go way way back.

    If the Chargers start out slow and we do not sell out the Home Opener - **** will hit the fan.

    Blame on the greedy players and greedy owners, I can hear it now.

    They are trying to get a new stadium built or are the Chargers finding ways to minimize the payroll while the moving vans are backing up in the night (remember the Browns) heading for their new home town ?

    The plot thickens
     
  4. DenverBolt67

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    It was the Colts when they moved out of Baltimore.

    They are talking the same thing here in Denver. I think the Broncos may be facing a blackout this week. That was the topic on local sport talk radio here. Most fans that called in said it was just more enjoyable at home, eating and drinking cheaper on a great HDTV which can be purchased for the the same amount of money it costs to get tickets for a family to go to a game. The NFL is pricing themselves out of fans being able to afford these games
     
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    It was the Browns and they became the Ravens.

    Cleveland was screwed.

    When the Browns came to our stadium, we all knew we were watching the walking dead in Browns fans. Their teams was good as gone and that was the ONLY game I refused to play TAPS for the enemy.

    Here is a video tribute to that ugly day Art Commodell used the cover of darkness to sneak out of town.

     
  6. DenverBolt67

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    The Browns did leave Cleveland, but the middle of the night move was the Colts. They literally packed up the trucks in the middle of the night, and didn't tell anyone they were moving

    History of the Indianapolis Colts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "In the middle of a snow storm in the dead of night on March 28, 1984, Irsay moved the Colts to Indianapolis. Irsay acted without the NFL's approval and due to the NFL's court loss to Al Davis in his lawsuit to move the Raiders to L.A. the NFL was in no mood to try to stop Irsay from moving the Colts."
     
  7. foober

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    this is the part that dean spanos supposedly said that I didn't know about. "They had 2½ months to go out and find a team to play for. They didn’t, or couldn’t."

    I thought they weren't being allowed to seek a trade with another team back when this all started. Or was it they could seek a trade. Anyone have any info. on this statement.
     
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    For 2.5 months after the season ended, they were allowed to talk to anyone they wanted, and the Chargers couldn't do anything about it. But after that designated time frame, they needed permission to talk to anyone, which the Chargers have been reluctant to grant.

    But in all honesty, if the Chargers were willing to accept less than a 1st and 3rd, why tender them that high? Why not tender them with simply a 1st if you really want to get interest? And since 99% of all RFA every year remain on the team they are on, I don't think the Chargers expected anyone to step in and sign these guys. And after the Chargers held their guns for two 1st with Brees and Turner, there is no reason to think they they would negotiate with the guys, which probably scared teams away from even talking knowing that the Chargers would demand max compensation
     
  9. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Yep, V Jackoffson and Mac screwed themselves. They both thought they were hot shyte of a silver platter, actually they're just cold turds on paper plates.
     
  10. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Film reveals offensive strengths of Chargers, Packers «

    Watching the Chargers, I anticipated a mess offensively without WR Vincent Jackson and LT Marcus McNeil. That wasn’t the case at all. The Chargers handled the Saints’ starting defense with ease, and a few items became abundantly clear.

    Chargers coach Norv Turner is a great playcaller and knows how to seal the edges through his scheme. Even so, young LT Brandyn Dombrowski is a very good player as well. Even without Jackson, Rivers is very skilled at finding open receivers and delivering almost perfect passes. That is a result of Turner’s coaching. I watched Malcolm Floyd, Legedu Naanne and Antonio Gates have no problems getting open. Rookie Ryan Mathews also looks more than capable of stepping up and handling the running duties. A big part of Turner’s offense this season will continue to be screen passes.

    Nothing that we watched today suggested Rivers, Rodgers and their respective offenses will do anything other than execute at a very high level all season.

    – Brian Baldinger
     
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    ESPN.com - Page2 - Readers: Shocking football moments

    Earlier this week, Page 2 listed its choices for the 10 most shocking moments in football history, but as usual, we wanted your take.

    We received more than 620 e-mails, and here is how Page 2 readers ranked the NFL's biggest shockers. Be sure to vote in the poll at right to crown the most shocking moment of them all.

    1. LT breaks Joe Theismann's leg (88 letters)

    Joe Theismann's leg injury is burned into the minds of millions of fans.
    The first moment that came to my mind was Lawrence Taylor breaking Joe Theismann's leg. It was on "Monday Night Football" and they kept replaying it and replaying it. The sight was ungodly, and while there are other moments that might shock a person, this one shocked the nation in prime time.
    Kevin Winter
    Everett, Wash.

    Undoubtedly, the night Joe Theismann had his lower leg snapped like a stale chopstick by LT in 1985. Not necessarily because it was as grotesque a sight as anyone has seen on live TV, but because it happened in front of about 70 bah-jillion people during "Monday Night Football." Moreover, if you didn't see it, you could damn well bet at least five people told you about it the next day. I saw it, and still can't shake that image of LT rolling down on Joe's leg, the sudden snap, LT jumping up holding his helmet with both hands looking horrified at poor Joe on the ground and frantically waving in the trainers to come fix what he'd broken.
    Derrick Ingram
    Lexington, Ky.

    Joe T's leg snap ... Can we see it seven more times please, ABC?
    Colvin
    Annapolis, Md.

    2. O.J. charged with double murder (80 letters)
    The O.J. fiasco is the most shocking moment in all of sports. For a world-renowned star to be implicated in such a hidious crime was a shock, not only to the sporting world but to the entire society. The months that followed, through the arrest and trial, proved to be a sideshow. It is a real black mark upon sports, and absolutely the most shocking.
    Arty Gullotti
    Ft. Wayne, Ind.


    O.J. Simpson's jury ruled to acquit after the glove didn't fit.
    I'll never forget that photo of him standing handcuffed, looking like a little kid in a heap of trouble, just a couple of days before "the chase." Nobody wanted to believe it.
    Brian Morrissey
    Chicago

    Forget O.J. being accused -- the most shocking event was his being acquitted.
    Kory Oberpriller
    Austin, Texas

    Before 9/11, I had never seen any event get so much news coverage. There was a nationwide consensus of shock as we watched the white Bronco go down the 405. There were even people cheering him on from the freeway overpasses. It shows how sports (and the glamour of professional athletes) can blind a person, and make him cheer a man who had been suspected of killing two people in cold blood while he is being chased by the authorities. Since this incident, it seems athletes' private lives have become as much a tabloid issue as sports page content. Shocking.
    David Guerreva
    Torrance, Calif.

    Nothing in the NFL was ever so poetic as to watch O.J. glide across the field ... what a shock, to uncover the core of the man who hid for so long behind the mask of celebrity. When he was first arrested, I remember seeing people holding signs that read, "Innocent or guilty, we still love you." The trial was run under the same principle, making his athletic prowess larger than life -- or death. This is so wrong, and so shocking.
    Barry Parker
    Riverside, Calif.

    3. Modell moves Browns to Baltimore (71 letters)
    Art "Satan" Modell stole one of football's most storied franchises from sports' most die-hard fans. Irsay and the Colts? Please! Their fans' efforts to reclaim the team resulted in a bunch of thugs wearing purple uniforms borrowed from rent-a-cops.
    Bill M.
    Woodland Park, Colo.

    Art Modell's decision to move his team to Baltimore will always irk Cleveland fans.

    Art Modell's move of the Browns was far worse than Bob Irsay's move of the Colts. At least with Irsay's move there was some warning ... He had been threatening to move for some time, which helped kill off Baltimore's attendance. With Modell there was no warning whatsoever.


    Without asking, Modell was offered a new stadium a few years earlier but turned it down. Modell then requested help in renovating Cleveland Stadium. He and the city of Cleveland proceeded to negotiate over those revovations -- Modell was unquestionably going to receive these renovations. Modell unilaterally broke off and refused to discuss the deal further until after the 1995 season.

    It was during this "moratorium" that Modell approached Baltimore and negotiated the move. He then claimed he "had no choice" but to move because Cleveland wasn't going to give him a new stadium. No warning. Not a word. Nothing. Not even a hint that the future of the Browns in Cleveland was in doubt.

    With neither warning nor justification, they departed in the still of the night. Modell stole the team we Browns' fans paid for with 40 years of sold-out stadiums ... and he has the unmitigated gall to blame us for it! I don't know if there is a circle in Hell loathesome enough for this brainless waste of a human life (or the despicable excuse for a team president he calls his stepson) to rot in for all eternity.
    Jeff Cox
    Indianapolis

    The day Art Modell announced he was moving our beloved Browns to Baltimore was the darkest, most shocking day in football history. "The Drive," "the Fumble," and all the heartache of not making a Super Bowl paled in light of this greedy, despicable, outrageous deed. Even with the rebirth of the Browns, the hatred for this vile man, and the shock of that dark day, has not dissapated in northeast Ohio.
    Jerry Albert
    Cortland, Ohio

    4. Bills battle back from a 35-3 deficit (62 letters)
    I was at the Buffalo Bills comeback game when Frank Reich rallied them from a 35-3 deficit against Houston. It was like watching a movie. A mess of fans left at halftime, only to be climbing the fences trying to get back in when the comback started. Truly an amazing game.
    Bo
    Niagara Falls, N.Y.

    I also must vote for the Buffalo Bills' come-from-behind victory against the Oilers. Reich stepped in to lead the improbable second-half-comback in the sleet and snow of Orchard Park, including Don Beebe's tightrope walking touchdown down the sideline to spark the comeback. The Bills' determination to win that game never faltered, including blocking the field goal in the dying moments that could have won the game for the Oilers. Reich will forever be one of the greatest comeback quarterbacks in NFL history.
    Jim B.
    Oakville, Conn.

    5. Barry Sanders announces retirement (60 letters)

    Barry Sanders' retirement -- and his decision to stay retired -- shocked NFL fans.
    Barry Sanders retiring sans money. Everyone was waiting for the comeback, but it never materialized. Barry and the Lions stood their respective ground and the NFL ultimately suffered for it. Being a Packers fan, I frequently got to watch the greatest running back tear up the field against my team, and now I don't regret it. I only regret not seeing the best prove it in the record books.
    Bill
    Milwaukee

    A guy with so much talent, so much class, and in the absolute prime of his career suddenly decides to hang 'em up, leaving the NFL without perhaps its most exciting player of all-time. Walter might have the record (for now anyway), Emmitt might have the rings, but the fans all know that no one could touch Mr. Sanders' awesome elusiveness and feel for the game ...
    Greg Wondra
    Mayville, Wis.

    One of the most shocking moments in recent history would have to be the retirement of Barry Sanders. I've never seen a single report suggesting he was hurt ... only disgruntled. Makes me wonder how many other professional athletes would stand so firmly on principle.
    Ron Bodesheimer
    Hudson, Wis.

    6. Patriots win Super Bowl as time expires (56 letters)
    There's no doubt that the Patriots winning the Super Bowl was the most shocking moment in NFL history. They shouldn't even have been there. I'm not a big Raiders fan, but they got screwed. I mean, it was like The Sports Guy was the official on that replay. I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots owner came out a few years from now and said that the game was fixed. How do you explain the fact that Marshall Faulk, the best player in the NFL, only carried the ball about eight times?? That's like having Joe Montana sit out in a playoff game so you can give the backup a chance to play. It's just something that's not supposed to happen.

    I realize Kurt Warner is one of the best in the game now, but you think they'd get the idea to give the ball to Faulk after a few incomplete passes. And he had plenty of them. After that being said, I will always believe that the Patriots winning the Super Bowl is the most shocking moment in all of sports history, not just NFL history.
    Kyle Petty
    Blue Ridge, Ga

    "The Patriots are Super Bowl Champions, The Patriots are Super Bowl Champions!!!" said Gil Santos, voice of the New England Patriots. As the Pats stormed Adam Vinatieri, cut to one of the Rams players kneeling on the sidelines, only one word came from his mouth, "Damn." St. Louis fans left New Orleans in stunned disbelief. Call me sick, but looking at those shocked and stunned faces made me a very happy man.
    Matt Tierney
    Boston

    7. Titans beat Bills with Music City Miracle (53 letters)
    Three words: Music City Miracle! Seventeen seconds left on the clock ... down by one ... the Tennessee Titans take a Buffalo kickoff 75 yards down the left sideline for the win and a place among the NFL's most shocking moments, forever. Ask any Bills fan -- they'll tell you 'shock' is a gross understatement.
    Jon Born
    Atlanta

    I was watching the game in Caesars' Palace, Bills fans were already taking off their shirts and gloating, "At last, justice has prevailed!" They were practically on line to cash their winning tickets while Titan fans were busy accepting the loss. Not so. The length the officials reviewed that lateral just added to the tension. So tough to tell if it was forward or not, even after they ran the replay 100 different times from every angle except a blimp shot. Definitely a shocker.
    David Kimmel
    Irvine, Calif.

    8. Irsay hands the Colts over to Indianapolis (31 letters)
    To my friends in Cleveland:
    At least Art Modell had the guts to state publicly that he was going to move the Browns. I gotta admit that Cleveland's PR machine was much better run than Baltimore's in 1984. Does no one else remember Baltimore Colts owner Robert Irsay's tirade at BWI Airport when he blathered, "If I were going to move the (expletive) team, I'd have said so"? ... At the time, he was coming back from yet another round of shopping the Colts.

    Irsay set the standard for destroying a professional sports franchise not through being strapped for cash, but through complete incompetence and meddling. And no Baltimorean will forget where he was when he heard that the coward Irsay took the Colts to Indianapolis under the cover of darkness (I was in my car driving to college). But the final slap was the reaction of the rest of the country, one Cleveland never got in 1995 ... "Baltimore deserved it." Like hell.
    Paul Turner
    Glen Burnie, Md.

    Judas Irsay steals the Colts from Baltimore.
    Eric Roe
    Saint Paul, Minn.

    Franco Harris came out of nowhere to make the "Immaculate Reception."
    9. The Immaculate Reception (28 letters)
    Probably the most "unbelievable" play that has ever happened, in any sport. For it to have a biblical nickname ... it's got to be miraculous. Franco never has to pay for a drink in Pittsburgh.
    Dave T
    Newark, N.J.

    10. Giants' "Miracle in the Meadowlands" vs. Eagles (22 letters)
    Giants up by five. All Joe Pisarcik has to do is kneel down ... sit on the ball and the game is over. Nope. Ball is fumbled. Eagles run it back. Ballgame. Easily the second most magical highlight of being a Philly sports fan (just behind the '80 Phils and just ahead of Randall Cunningham's one-handed pushup TD throw). Ahhh. Thanks for making me think of a good Eagles moment for a change.
    Marc Sedam
    Chapel Hill



    Also receiving votes


    Steelers/Lions Thanksgiving Day coin flip fiasco

    "Heidi" interrupts Raiders rally to victory

    Howard Cosell announces John Lennon's death during Monday Night Football

    Scott Norwood's wide-right miss secures a 20-19 victory for the Giants over Bills
     
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    Because the player is WORTH the 1st and 3rd round tender in salary alone. It is an insult to offer less to players of that caliber plus it is a deterrent to other teams from pillaging our roster.
     
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    I guess both franchises moved in that manner. I don't remember the Browns move being crazy. Guess my memory sucks. I just know the Colts move is the one I year about multiple times every year
     
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    Do you even believe this crap yourself? That makes no sense. Teams ONLY use the 1st and 3rd tender, because they don't want their players to leave and know that tender scares off other teams, plain and simple
     
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    I want Vincent Jackson back on this team. Screw the haters!!!!!!!!!!
    MAKE IT HAPPEN SPANOS YOU GREEDY SCHMUCK
    :scream: :cussing: :scream:

    And what the heck does the Browns and Colts leaving in the middle of the night have anything to do with this topic???:icon_shrug: :bananasmoke:
     
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    VJ and Sasquatch are worth MORE than their tenders in todays market and yes it scares off other teams. Good. It should.
     
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    Rare show of unity between Spanos and AJ... not like with the LT situation. I guess if MM and VJ were hoping for the boss to stick his nose in the situation then they thought W-R-O-N-G
     
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    I ma just pointing out that they tendered them that price tag to ensure no other team traded for them. But if they weren't looking to keep them, it is stupid to just hold onto them. Although the players are the ones who didn't sign their tender, but The Chargers screwed up any chance of getting them resigned or traded.
     
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    The Chargers are looking to keep these players.

    Just because the player did not get their way in a long term contract does not mean the team needs to give them what they want or even close to it.

    What about the tenders that everyone agreed upon was fair compensation ? If the Chargers did not want these players, then you tender the minimum and they get traded fast and we get screwed in return. Franchise players are now leaving for 4th round picks or lower and mega contracts.

    What about the TEAMS right ?
     
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    Dear Dean,

    F.UCK LA

    You move there, I'm done with this franchise.

    Business decision.

    But I'm cool with your stance on these players. Just lettin' you know what's at stake.

    Signed,

    Stockton Sucks Too.
     
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    Then show that you want to keep them and discuss a deal. It is obvious these guys will not play under the current tender. So what do you lose by talking to them and seeing what it will take to get them in Uni, other than a bruised ego?
     
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    The Chargers do not have to sit down and see "what it takes" at this stage of the game.

    Why ?

    Another team may offer a blockbuster trade which better benefits this team plus we do not set ugly precedents which you ignore.
     
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    Go to chat.bolttalk.com and join the broadcast
     
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    If you believe that, I have some beach front property in New Mexico to sell you.

    No one is offering anything great for either player at this point of the year
     
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    Where in the CBA, does it say they have to sign those tenders?
     
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    This is the key sentence.
     
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    There is no place where it says the players must sign a tender although, the team made an offer and the player did not accept. The player does not need to accept but a top tier offer was made.

    This is on the player as Dean said.

    If this were on the team, no offer or a low tender would have been made.
     
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    So,your saying.........
    You'd have signed your tender and hoped for a long term, fair, contract?
     
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    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    Yes.

    The team has a history of doing it.

    VJ's contract could have been incentive laden to praise or punish in case he screws up BUT prove you can at least not screw up in the police blotters and then maybe....maybe.....
     
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    as it looks now. Other teams will be happy to wait till mcneil and jackson go to free agency eventually and pick them up for alot less.
     

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