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Spanos seems ready to keep his guys, but questions remain

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  1. CoronaDoug

    CoronaDoug Well-Known Member

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    Written by
    Kevin Acee
    5:04 p.m., Jan. 2, 2012

    Spanos seems ready to keep his guys, but questions remain

    Dean Spanos will take at least until Tuesday and perhaps even wait until Wednesday before letting us know once and for all the fates of A.J. Smith and Norv Turner.

    While so many of his team’s fans ask “What’s taking so long?” Spanos is pondering some other questions.

    Anyone taking the temperature on Sunday after the Chargers finished their season with a victory in Oakland would have to believe the No. 1 thing the Chargers President is asking himself is how he can justify doing what he’s leaning toward doing – keeping both of them.

    The hints weren’t just in Spanos’ brief quotes given to the media, in which he expressed admiration for the way the team played. Nor was it just from conversations with others close to Spanos that indicate the owner is willing to stick with the status quo. It was also in another conversation that bears mentioning.

    At one point near the end of the game, Spanos on three different occasions walked several yards downfield to where Smith stood and initiated conversations with his general manager.

    Asked about the topics on Monday, Smith said, “We talked about our coach, and we talked about some players, and we talked about how hard the team was playing in the game.”

    Pressed for more specifics, Smith said, “That’s a personal conversation.”

    Also, it is prudent to note that, as expected, the St. Louis Rams fired their head coach and general manager on Monday. Despite the denial by Rams executive vice president of football operations Kevin Demoff in a press conference that the Rams already had candidates in place for their vacancies, it remains fact that Smith was the frontrunner for that G.M. job were he to be available, and it is all but certain that Jeff Fisher will be the Rams’ next head coach.

    The Rams, it would seem, know Smith is not moving from San Diego.

    Make no mistake, if Spanos keeps Smith and Turner, it is a different decision than he was all set to make a month ago.

    But Spanos’ rollercoaster of emotions between Thanksgiving and New Year's only reinforced what his plan of action was all along – to get out of the moment before making his final decision.

    That’s why he didn’t join in the Black Monday festivities, instead continuing to consult with people in and around the organization.

    Spanos is already aware of changes that need to be made, regardless of who stays or goes. He has assessed the coaching staff, as well as hits and misses on personnel, and he knows more than any of us ever will who is responsible for each.

    But there remain myriad questions Spanos is asking himself and will have to answer if he decides to keep one or both of his top football men.

    While it is a decision about what he thinks gives his team the best chance to win, it is in its basest form a business decision, and Spanos knows it.

    In that Spanos requires public assistance to build a stadium in San Diego, it is not a ridiculous notion to think that keeping Turner could be perceived by fans as a step toward Los Angeles – or even an invitation for fans to help the Chargers pack.

    Is Spanos is willing to jeopardize taxpayer support and take the initial box office hit that will accompany keeping Turner, especially? If so, his hope will obviously be that wins will come and fans will come back with them.

    About winning …

    Spanos, like every owner, has stated that his goal is to win a championship. To keep Smith and Turner would be exhibiting either a prescient patience or delusional faith in light of the fact the Chargers have not won a playoff game since the 2008 postseason and haven’t been to the playoffs since after the 2009 season.

    That, by anyone’s math, is not getting closer to the goal.

    What Spanos has to do, once he factors in injuries and other circumstances in whatever measure he sees fit, is decide if the past two seasons constitute going backward or are a lull that can be fixed under the watch of the same two men.

    For the record, the Chargers are one of just three NFL teams with no losing seasons since 2003, but they also have won just eight (twice) or nine games in three of the past four seasons.

    Just as the most ardent Turner and/or Smith detractor would have to in good conscience acknowledge injuries and missing players have played a part in the team’s struggles, even the most ardent Turner supporter would have to acknowledge keeping him carries the danger of sending a message to fans that Spanos is satisfied with mediocrity.

    Spanos is not only friends with Turner but remains a believer that Turner is a capable head coach. If Spanos were to make a change, it might be simply be an acknowledgement that it isn't working and it’s time to try something else.

    But that doesn’t sound like Spanos.

    He is averse to starting a carousel. He has, really, hired just one G.M. That was John Butler, who essentially passed the throne to Smith. Spanos has hired four head coaches in his 18 years in charge.

    So here is perhaps the most important question he is mulling:

    Should he make the change now, when he’s not convinced these two guys can’t do it and isn’t all that excited about the options for replacements? He knows if he sticks with them and it doesn’t result in a playoff run, he can do next year what he will have concluded he should have done this year. But if he changes regimes and it doesn’t bear fruit, he is stuck with it for a while.
     
  2. DenverBolt67

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  3. CoronaDoug

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    Acee is trying his best to back peddle.
     
  4. MasterOfPuppets

    MasterOfPuppets Charger fan since 1979

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    I'm already in the process of accepting that Norv will be back :cry::mad::eek:
     
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  6. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Its amazing to me that these billionairs are allowing emotions to dictate how they run their business.

    News flash douchebags, the arrow is pointing DOWN!
     
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  7. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Its time to get in the process of accepting that ownership is okay with pissing away the Philip Rivers era, just as long as they don't hurt their friends feelings.
     
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  8. MasterOfPuppets

    MasterOfPuppets Charger fan since 1979

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    if Norv stays my hope is that they bring in a strong DC that can take over next year if thing go as usual
     
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  9. Aggieman

    Aggieman I bleed blue and gold

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  10. Ride The Lightning

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    Commitment to Mediocrity.

    As many have suspected for some time, it is becoming completely apparent to all where the TRUE blame lies and where the failure emanates from: Dean Spanos. No wonder this team CHOKES, it is the mirror image of it's owner, who right now seems like he can't (or won't) make the tough decision to play for the win, to bury the opponents when they are down, when the team needs it most. If he doesn't clean house and buries his head in the sand, AGAIN, next year will be just the same as this one. Only now all the other division teams are a year better because they made the moves to improve their teams when they had to. Probably why they all have titles and we don't.

    The definition of insanity blah blah blah. This is making me ill.
     
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  11. Dublin Bolt

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    I like it RTL.

    Commitment to Mediocrity.

    Has a nice 'ring' to it, even if it guarantees 'no rings'.
     
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  12. Buck Melanoma

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    At least some are finally getting around to the the real culprit for the mediocrity.
     
  13. Ride The Lightning

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    I didn't want to believe it, but now I know it's true. Just the fact that Norv is still employed as of right now has solidified that for me.

    Attitude reflects leadership. When the guy signing the paychecks can't even make a tough call then how should we expect his employees to do what he cannot?

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  14. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    There needs to be change on this club and I've been shouting that out forever. It all starts at the top, maybe, Dean has seen the light and understands the both AJ and Norv have to be responsible and stand accountable for what happens from here on out. Put them both on a short leash and publicly chastise them when shyte hit's the fan and see the way of their wrong. I believe the dawg house is a good place for those that want to run a muck, as a side note to Norv, it still works on players as well.
     
  15. Ride The Lightning

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    Are you saying they should stay?
     
  16. DenverBolt67

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    I don't think anyone questions that Dean is the problem, but unlike AJ and Norv, he can't be fired and easily replaced, so it really seems pointless to say anything since nothing is going to change at that level of the organization
     
  17. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I've stated what my stance is for years. "It starts at the top" Dean is going to do whatever comes to his mind no matter what I want. If dean doesn't change then the Bolt's will never change no matter who is the GM or HC. The only owner that won a championship was Barron Hilton, none since have cared enough about winning other than him, if you really want to win get a new owner, bottom line. "It starts at the top"
     
  18. Dublin Bolt

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    But (if not impossible) that's not easy to do, a coup won't work. Firing your GM and HC is easy to do. Would you be happy with AJ and Norv as a team under new ownership?.

    I wouldn't.
     
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    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I'm just hoping dean just figures it out, changes have to be made from the top down.
     
  20. Buck Melanoma

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    As if what we say here has an effect on any NFL personnel? :roflmao:

    If Dean runs his business based on what happens or is said here, he's even worse than I've thought.
     
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    True, but the more we talk and more people talk about it, ticket sales will be effected and he will have to deal with it
     
  22. Buck Melanoma

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    And that's a big part of the problem.

    Dean sets the course for this team based on profit. If he set it for winning as the measuring stick for success, you MIGHT see a more steadfast fan base.

    Then again, you might just see everyone head to the beach.
     
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    True. If Dean took the approach of "If you win, they will show up", we would be better off
     
  24. Moses

    Moses Can You Stand The Rain?

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    There is no excuse for Norv to still be employed by us. He's had years of underachievinig, proving that this team can not win with a marshmallow *** coach like Norv.

    After that Detroit embarrassment, Norv had no dignity whatsoever. None. ZERO son. Not a single snowflake of decorum left in that dude, and yet we're still waiting for the seemingly inevitable news that this chump will get another chance.
     
  25. Fouts

    Fouts I heart Deano!

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    Dean is a Buffoon, of course, he kept these guys, then again, we may win a superbowl....... And Dean and his sons will still be buffoons!
     

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