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Stadium! Which Is Better Location Oceanside vs. Chula Vista?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by xIt'sLightsOutx, May 17, 2007.

  1. xIt'sLightsOutx

    xIt'sLightsOutx BoltTalker

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    The Time Has come to talk about The future Stadium of the San Diego Chargers! I invite you to throw any ideas, or thoughts On the stadium. Has anyone seen the artist's idea of what the new stadium would look like? What do you guys think? If not, go to google type in new san diego charger stadium, the only problem is that the article is dated to 2003 when the plans were made. That was when they were thinking about rebuilding a new stadium the parking lot. Its now 2007,(4 years later!) Would the stadium still look the same? different? In My opinion, Im pullin for Oceanside, much better location, they certainly have the space, and the local economy would benefit greatly. It is closer to orange county, la, and all other northen areas, which would attract a much larger crowd for certain fans who dont have the opportunity to drive all the way downtown. Chula Vista is even farther than san diego, not to much down there, just a longer drive. What do you guys think?
     
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  2. Thumper

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    I grew up in Oceanside. I lettered in Golf on the land they are proposing to use for the new stadium while in high school.

    Up until this past year I worked in Otay Mesa and Chula Vista areas.

    My point is that I know both area well.

    This is going to be a much bigger project if Oceanside is selcted. The land in question is less than ideal for a stadium.

    Here is a satellite photo of the Center City Golf Course at Goat Hill which is the proposed site for the Stadium.
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    This is not flat land, but a hilly golf course with access through a quiet residential community. How would you feel if you bought a nice house next to a golf course and they decided to take that out and put a major sports stadium in your backyard. That is if you don't have to move because they take your house under imminent domain laws.

    One thing you can't really see is that there is a bit of a cliff behind the stores on Oceanside Blvd. Sure they could demo thos stores and bulldoze the cliff as to tear out less of the neighbor hood, but no matter how they do it, there isn't going to be easy access. With the traffic to north county alone, those living in San Diego better leave extra early to make kickoff. Oceanside has the coaster, but unless they really upgrade service, it won't be that effective. Plus the coaster is heavey rail and much more expensive to run than the light rail coaster.

    Chula Vista isn't ideal either. When they finish the 125 extension, that will really help though. Plus there is more available land and room for additional surface streets. There would have to be a ton of upgrades to the roads and infastructure in and around Chula vista, but IMO it's doable. Plus it wouldn't be that difficult to put a trolley spur in that went to the new stadium. Chula Vista actually has a couple of sites that would be possible, but here's a pic of one of the leading spots. The (A) marks the olympic training center. The proposed site it south west of there.
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    Hanestly, I don't see Oceanside ever happening. I think Oceansides biggest possitive to the Chargers is as a bargaining chip. It will get more support because of higher population in north county and the closeness to LA/Orange County. The Chargers will use this support, but I don't believe a stadium will ever be built in Oceanside.

    Now if some of the camp pendalton military land were on the table, they have more than enough land for stadium use. But it's not available, so that's just a pipe dream on my part.

    This all is of course just my opinion. :icon_huh:
     
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    One more thing, I might be a little biased. That golf course in Oceanside is the only course I've ever eagled a hole. Or made a hole in one (same shot). I played 9 holes on that course every day thoughout golf season after school when I lettered in golf for El Camino HS. I hit a hole in one on a par 3 there. It was a beautiful shot. :tup:
     
  4. ChargerRay

    ChargerRay #FireMcCoy #FirePagano Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    The Chargers are good as gone. My bet is that they will end up in Vegas. Lots of land, a fast growing community, and TONS on cash. The local government there will build a stadium for them, plus give them the land they want for development.

    Throw the gambling element out the window. I really believe that the NFL won't care about that issue. The Chargers will get a kick *** stadium and more, and there's nothing that San Diego County can do to counter it. We had our chance to keep the Chargers here. All we had to do was give up the Mission valley location 2 years ago, but our stupid *** council members blew it.
     
  5. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

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    The NFL and it's new clean image installed by Goddell will never put any team in Vegas. Gambling on the NFL will continue. But without a team there.

    As for the Chargers, I'm a believer that the team will remain here. Staying in Mission Valley would be ideal. But given how financially inebt the city is, the original stadium proposal never stood a chance.
     
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    Id love that but doubt it happens. Maybe Goodell isnt as much a dik as Tagliaboob, but i wont hold my breath..................however, id love it!...and id buy season tiks:tup:
     
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    I dont think him wanting a clean image has anything to do with Vegas.....at least it shouldnt, but thats me.

    There are casinos in San Diego and they have titties bars too....altho they suk ;)
     
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    Yes, but San Diego doesn't carry the "what happens here, stays here" motto either. So gambling isn't the only reason Goddell won't allow a team there.
     
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    If the Chargers move to vegas, it will be cool. That means more trips to vegas for me. Im already there atleast 2 times a year. So a couple more wont hurt.
     
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    Its just a saying :lol:

    They say Philly is the city of brotherly love but they will rob a visiter blind in seconds.
     
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    If they move, San Antonio is the more logical choice. The NFL is never going into Vegas.
     
  12. ChargerRay

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    It's all about money folks. Vegas has all the land and money to throw at them. They will come up big and GIVE a the state of the art stadium. Do we stay here in a town with a ****** city council and a large percent of folks who dont care about football and a new stadium? Or do we go to a place where they are starving for an NFL franchise and are will ing to give us anything we ask for? So the decision will be easy for Alex and Dean.

    The Chargers will already have a fan base in Vegas waiting for them, plus they are close enough to SoCal for us old fans to make the occasional commute.
     
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    Since I'm already throwing my opinions around in this thread, I'll say that I believe if the Chargers move, the likely place would be Orange County. Spanos has political ties to Orange County. I'm highly doubtful of San Antonio or Vegas.

    I've thought long and hard about this. The question came up previously if we would continue to be Charger fans if they left San Diego. My answer then was an emphatic "NO". I still don't know, but I do think I'd remain a Charger fan now. Not sure what changed. Maybe the idea of them moving has settled in my head a little more. But I'm pretty sure that if they left San Diego, I'd become a more casual fan than I am now.
     
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    My vote (not based on what is more likely to happen) would be Oceanside. I just think that would put them more centrally located in Southern California. I think a lot of the blimp shots for games would be awesome with the ocean a mile away. I am admittecly biased as I grew up in North County.

    On the Vegas issue. No way the NFL puts a team there. For those that say "we have the same stuff here, so it doesn't really matter", well if we have the same stuff here, why ever go to Vegas? Because there is the same stuff, but in much larger multiplicity. The city is immersed in it. The NBA had a lot of problems holding one all star game there. For all the problems that the NFL has had with DUI's and other things lately, sticking a team in Party City, USA just doesn't make any sense.
     
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    I still think that Vegas has more to offer than any location, but I hope and pray that they stay in SD County.
     
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    I think the should move to the open area just north of Temecula!:tup: :lol:
     
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    I am glad you are not a land planner. Cliffs and hills do not means **** to a row of D-9 bulldozers grading land. Freeway access is not as hard as you think. It is all overpasses. Just look at you photos and imagine spurs coming off the freeway. It is simple. You have seen enough interchanges with overpasses that this one is easy. Imminent domain is a fact of life so those who have properties in that area should know what to expect.

    The Coaster (heavy) is not to be confused with the Sprinter (light). The latter is a light rail system which is being completed as we speak and not years later.

    http://www.gonctd.com/oerail/oerail.html

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    Link to Sprinter Maps: http://www.gonctd.com/oerail/oerailr.html
    http://www.gonctd.com/info/factsheets/Sprinter_SingleSheet.pdf
     
  18. BoltsFanUK

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    I just hope they stay in SD County:yes: :yes:
     
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    The Chargers already have a fan base in Vegas? That's news to me. This place is a giant melting pot of people from everywhere. I bet that there are more Bears and Giants fans here than Charger fans. I am surprised when I see other Charger fans. Lots of raider punks here too.

    Vegas will never support a local team because of the fact everyone is from somewhere else and they bring all their hometown loyalties with them. The only reason people will come to games is to root for their old hometown team. It would be a disaster.

    Just pray that something will be worked out in SD county or else get used to the Anaheim Chargers.:no:
     
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    We have a few Chargers Boltheads who attend the tailgaters and live in Las Vegas. Michaels Pub is the place to go in Vegas but I am sure you already knew that.

    Las Vegas as far as melting pots is very similar to here. Both have transient populations from elsewhere just like Las Vegas. Of course we have the natives but for the most part and for years our stadium was dominated by the other teams. That is just the way it was after Coryell and our lone Super Bowl run in '94. Now that we have started kicking some asses again, we are seeing the natives come out of the woodwork or as some call them bandwaggoners. I call them fans. Oh well.

    We have teams close to the gambling in New Jersey, although no NFL gambling is allowed, that I really do not see the gambling stigma as much these days. We have Indian gambling casinos up the asss around the county so it is like a mini Vegas here in San Diego County.
     
  21. Electric Chair

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    I vote for Oceanside.
     
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    Which one is closer to Cheetahs?
     
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    Oceanside has a shitload of gentleman's clubs being right next to Camp Pendleton and all.

    That said, neither. :(
     
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    Oceanside it is then. Thank you. :)
     
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    Tony, I know grew up in Oceanside and know the area well. Yes, I'm aware that an area can be bulldozed. Maybe you should have read my whole post. Even more, I know it has been done in Oceanside before. The shopping center on the north side of the 78 just east of where it meets the 5 was nothing but hills and canyons that I played in as a kid. They bull bozed the whole area and now it's a huge shopping center and condos.

    But, the proposed location would not be easy. Access would be terrible unless blocks of homes were removed also, plus the businesses on Oceanside Blvd south of where the golf course is currently. The Chargers have even mentioned that parking would be an issue at this site. They have said that an office complex with a parkign structure could be built and the office parking would be used as event parking on weekends. So that means that nobody can go to their office if it's a game day, and no events can be held at the stadium if it's a work day (no parking). All I'm saying is that maybe they can work this all out, but there are many more significant obsticals to overcome at the Oceanside site.

    As far as the "Sprinter"? Yes, I do know about it. It will be light rail between Escondido and Oceanside and should be complete late 2007 or early 2008, but will do nothing to help north / south congestion on the 5.

    You're probably right, I wouldn't make a good land planner, but I don't think it's your forte either. :no:
     
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    Unless Oceanside has cleaned up its act since the old days when I lived in SD County, it sure wouldn't be my choice for the new stadium. Yuck.

    Then again, I don't really care WHERE the Chargers end up as long as it's where they belong: SD COUNTY!!!
     
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    Oceanside has cleaned up a great deal. Seeing the difference from when I grew up there and now, I think you'd be surprised.
     
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    You keep saying access would not be easy and blocks of homes would need to be removed. Neither are true.

    The only eminent domain which has been even mentioned was the Senior Citizens center operated by the City of Oceanside. It could be rebuilt in another part of the City so it is a trade-off. Nobody has mentioned any homes to be taken over via any eminent domain proceedings although there are homes in the area. No homes appear to be needing to be demolished by my reads of the layout.

    The Ralph's grocery store at the foot of the cliffs (Oceanside Blvd.) could be a casualty but nobody has mentioned it - YET. I suspect it will become a target if possible for development.

    Parking at a new Qualcomm stadium was going to be drastically reduced anyway we look at it. The O'side parking to be jointly used by corporate offices would be occupied by lawyers and CPA's. It is not often you see a lawyer working on Sundays and if parking is a hassle, they are telecommuting.

    The ONLY significant obstacle is money. The County will need to get involved. So far there has been no Joint Powers Authority established like the one established when the Murph was built.
     
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    :icon_huh: Care to elaborate on that?
    It seemed to go pretty well as far as i could tell except that the Thomas and Mack center isnt a very good NBA type sports arena.

    Also.....why come here? Because the City counsel isnt a bunch of idiots and the Mayor in Vegas actually would love to have a professional sports team here and has tried already to get one. The team would get a new stadium in a heartbeat.....especially if Spanos is going to foot most of the bill.

    Hec there was talk of a 100,000 capacity stadium here back in 1996 and there was no chance in sight if a team coming here then. Of course it never got built, but if a team is said to be on its way......it will be done while the jackoffs in the City Counsel in San Diego are still fighting about it.
     

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