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This is why you spend 1st and 2nd rounders on Olinemen...

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Ikeman83, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. Ikeman83

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  2. rickochey

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    I think your post would have really made more sense if had Welker had actually caught the ball.

    (I don't think the word sense was the right word to use)
     
  3. SDRaiderH8er

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    I guess you did not see how much time Brady had to throw it, that is what makes sense.
     
  4. Buck Melanoma

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    And the reason for the thread. :rolleyes:
     
  5. rickochey

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    Yes, Brady has a great o-line and he has all day Sunday to make a pass. That I can see. Spending 1st and 2nd rounders on olinemen doesn't guarantee quality NFL player. It just increases the odds. Yes, AJ has neglected this area of the team for many years along with NT and OLBs. His poor planning and trying to out fox other GMs has made him look like just an average GM relying on the Talent of his QB.
     
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  6. Moses

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    Could you not use that same video to say "this is why you spend 1st rounders on WRs, because they catch the big passes"

    Or, the Giants winning is why you invest high picks in pass rushers, or whatever else
     
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    So then I guess we are good with drafting our lineman in the late rounds! That way Philip can continue to lead the league in interceptions and our running game is crawling right along.
     
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    Dude, he had 9 seconds to throw the ball. 9. If Rivers holds the ball longer than 3 he's getting sacked. I personally don't believe in drafting receivers in the first, and yes, you can use this most recent superbowl to demonstrate the clear importance of having many good pass rushers. I would say, in general, that drafting O-line in the 1st and 2nd is a good call, as it keeps your QB vertical. I think Smitty's draft record shows us that drafting 4 CBs in the 1st round in the span of 7 years is stupid.

    I don't want to get into an eternal circular discussion of why Smitty's draft style is like having a Genie give you 3 wishes and using one of them for some pancakes tonight. I just happened upon this video and thought I'd share, as it's rather poignant.
     
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    I did indeed lol at this line.
     
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    So the QB can have time to miss his receiver??? :rolleyes:
     
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    chargerlipz Leading the league in nose hairs.

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    What do you got against pancakes?
     
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    That was not what I was implying. I was implying that if AJ took Olinemen in rounds other than the 1 and 2 he might have found players that are better than Dombrowski. Instead he drafted Whitehurst, Byrd, and others. There are holes in his method of building through the draft as the talent level we have seen has diminished.
     
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  14. Ikeman83

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    you can wish for 100 trillion dollars, with which you can pay to have someone, ready to make pancakes 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, follow you in a helicopter, which has it's own aeriel refueler, which has it's own aerial refueler, which has it's own aeriel refueler, which refuels in San Diego, which you now own, and have about 99.5 trillion dollars left, or you can wish for pancakes.

    Your call.
     
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    and if you edit that film to only show how much time he had, does the end result mean anything?
     
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    your just now seeing that?
     
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    So was that O-line made up of first and second rounders? Is that the strategy the Patriots have used in the draft because I don't seem to remember them spending high picks on their O-line (could be wrong here)
     
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    Brady still had to move to avoid pressure..... it's not like it was a stable pocket.

    And what does one random video clip really mean?......... nothing.
     
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    RT and LG are 1st round picks, LT is a 2nd, RG is a Free agent signing, C was drafted in the 5th. The reason you don't remember when the left side of their line was drafted is because Matt Light was drafted in 2001 and Mankins in 2005. Koppen they drafted in 2003, and he started in 2004 (I believe) after they let Damien Woody (who was drafted in the 1st) walk.

    So, their line, from left to right:
    2 1 5 UFA 1
    http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3200&type=team
    Our line:
    2 UFA 3 3 6
    http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=4400&type=team
     
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    He shifted 2 yds, one time, in 9 seconds!

    Even on his Superbowl safety he had 5 seconds to throw the ball against the best pass rush in the league.
     
  21. Buck Melanoma

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    But AJ has stated in the past that his team-building mentality is largely based on that of the Pats.

    Et tu, Caserio? Reese? Belichick?
     
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    Try 7-8 seconds, but who's counting? Not to mention that Brady was in the shotgun at the time, and still dropped back a few more yards to avoid pressure.

    Perhaps, their line is just better at holding than our guys. ;)
     
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    He doesn't seem to follow that though since he loves to package picks together to move up, while the Pats almost always move back in the draft to acquire more pick
     
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    I know this is from 2010, but if you look at this, you will see that the vast majority of Rivers sacks came in under 3 seconds, which can almost 100% be attributed to the O-line
     
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    Oh, is that's what's called planning for the future? ;)
     
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    Really?....... you have stats on how many seconds Rivers had on each sack?

    I'd be interested to see where you found that information. ;)
     
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    Pancakes baby, hell yeah!!!
     
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  29. Buck Melanoma

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    No ****. Sorry I didn't add the sarcasm smilie.
     
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    Not to nitpick but AJ didn't neglect OLB so much as he blew it on a reach.
     
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