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Tomorrow is a big day in the stadium battle

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by DenverBolt67, Dec 28, 2011.

  1. DenverBolt67

    DenverBolt67 BoltTalker

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  2. Blue Bolt

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    Don't you have any good news? ;)
     
  3. DenverBolt67

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    there hasn't been much good news for the last 2 years
     
  4. Blue Bolt

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    At least 3 years, but who's counting. ;)
     
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    Aggieman I bleed blue and gold

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    Redevelopment's a joke, and a corrupt one at that. Look, I love the Chargers, but I'm on record saying I don't really care if they move to LA, and I'm opposed to using redevelopment funds for anything and everything, including a new stadium, absent of serious reform.
     
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  7. DenverBolt67

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    Without redevelopment, Petco park never gets built and that area of downtown is still full of nothing but drug houses and homeless. Redevelopment is a success. It may not be as efficient as it should be, but to call it anything but a success is a joke. Without it, we don't have Petco park, Horton Plaza, thousands of housing for low income people, public library, and the convention center
     
  8. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    You in Colorado are.

    Fans in SD county are not. But do you think all 200,000 of them are going to vote as you would about today's Chargers... No they will not.
     
  9. DenverBolt67

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    Do you think I have been in Colorado for the last 10 year? I just moved here last year, and still work for Qualcomm that is based in SD and come back several times a year. Keep your head in the ground if you want, I will live in reality
     
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    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Is that what you call it? Reality? Well, I suppose Never Never Land is one mans reality... Enjoy it...
     
  11. Concudan

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    I dont care how long you have been there. The only thing it means is that you and the other coloradoite will not be voting on the stadium bill. Is there something that is not 'reality' in that statement?
     
  12. ViennaLager

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    Re-development is not a joke. There have only been a few cases in NorCal agencies that have abused a small portion of the funds. Moonbeam should not be allowed to fraudulently abscond with the re-development funds just to help offset the debt. I hope the Supreme Court rules against what Moonbeam is trying to do.
     
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    Or maybe there was a hotel named for someone on the Redevelopment panel for Riverside...

    Like I said, absent reform, I'm not for one more penny in "redevelopment" anywhere in the state.
     
  14. Buck Melanoma

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    California Supreme Court allows redevelopment money grab

    By Howard Mintz hmintz@mercurynews.com
    Posted: 12/29/2011 10:04:38 AM PST
    Updated: 12/29/2011 10:29:23 AM PST


    The California Supreme Court on Thursday found that state lawmakers had a legal right to seize $1.7 billion in redevelopment money to help solve the state's budget woes, at the same time reaching a result that may put the state's nearly 400 local redevelopment agencies out of business forever.
    California's high court concluded the Legislature had the authority to raid redevelopment funding earlier this year, rejecting arguments from redevelopment advocates that the budget gambit violated voter-approved Proposition 22, a 2010 measure designed to bar the state from seizing local funding to pay its bills.
    The justices, however, struck down a separate state law approved as part of the legislative package that would have allowed redevelopment agencies to stay afloat if they agree to relinquish a large share of their funding to the state. Most redevelopment agencies had planned to take advantage of that safety net to remain in operation, but the ruling is likely to slam the door shut on their ability to fund local projects.
    Chief Justice Tani Cantil-Sakauye dissented from that part of the ruling.
    For Gov. Jerry Brown and state lawmakers, the ruling allowing the redevelopment money grab is a crucial win because they otherwise would be scrambling to find ways to fill a $1.7 billion gap in funding for the current budget. The ruling comes in time for a Jan. 15 deadline, when half of the redevelopment money is slated to be turned over to the state
    for the 2011-12 fiscal year.

    But the decision is about the worst outcome possible for local redevelopment agencies, which led the legal challenge to the budget maneuver based on the argument it is unconstitutional because it violates Proposition 22, approved by the voters just last year. The state's redevelopment association, joined by the cities of San Jose and Union City, sued to block the state from raiding their coffers.
    San Jose's already dwindling redevelopment agency, once a powerful institution that backed such projects as the HP Pavilion and Tech Museum, is likely to be one of the most significant casualties of the Supreme Court case.
    The case centered on two related laws passed by the Legislature earlier this year. The first dissolves redevelopment agencies and redirects property tax revenues to the state, while the second gives agencies the ability to stay afloat if they "opt in" and agree to relinquish a large portion of their funding to pay for schools. San Jose had said it could not afford the so-called "pay to play" option, but most other agencies from San Bruno to Los Angeles planned to capitulate to stay alive.
    Oakland, San Francisco, Walnut Creek and Concord were among the cities hoping to retain their redevelopment agencies. And Oakland was also eyeing redevelopment money as a way to retain the Oakland A's, a team trying to move to San Jose.
    But barring future changes in the law, it appears the Supreme Court ruling removes that option of keeping the agencies operating. During arguments in the case in November, the lawyer for the statewide redevelopment association conceded such a split outcome would be the worst-case scenario for the agencies.
    The Brown administration did not push hard for that outcome, but argued the Legislature created redevelopment agencies six decades ago and has the right to abolish them or divert their funding for other more pressing needs. The governor maintained redevelopment agencies over time abused the law to take tax money that could go to schools, counties and state services.
    Santa Clara County joined the state in defending the redevelopment grab, arguing cities were diverting too much money for redevelopment projects. Redevelopment advocates argued the money was crucial to urban renewal and affordable housing projects across the state.
    Contact Howard Mintz at 408-286-0236. Follow him at Twitter.com/hmintz
     
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    No, never said that. I just said that you could lose enough of them with Norv on board that WE ;) lose the election.

    If I were a SD Co resident and IF the Bolts kept Norv and AJ, I would still vote for the stadium. Maybe you're right, maybe there are enough folks like us that it wouldn't be a factor. But I have a feeling we're all active concerned voters--getting the inactive voters off the couch isn't easy, and Norv still onboard won't help.
     
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    Well the Supreme Court justices must be getting paid off by Moonbeam. They absolutely know nothing about intrepreting law.
     
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    Yeah, it's certainly more important to help build billionaires new sports complexes than to pay teachers/firefighters/police/EMT's, fully fund schools, keep college tuition within reason, maintain/repair/replace vital infrastructure, fund services for the needy, & just pay the bills in general.

    Calling him Moonbeam may skew some folks' opinions, but the issues are what really matter & they don't change whether you subscribe to his ideology or not. It only makes me question your objectivity & opinion.

    **** Spanos. If he wants a new stadium, find the goddamn funding & build it. He's been able to make a living developing real estate over the years - surely he can work out some creative financing. If not, he can sell his membership to the NFL's good ol' boy club.
     
  18. ViennaLager

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    Alright... Another clueless stadium financing post from PuckBellanotsomucha.
     
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    Absconding with the re-development funds has to do with bailing out the state of CA, not with funding schools and other issues. Look at all the money the schools have inappropriately spended, and they need more??? Laughable.

    Re-development was a voter approved issue... PERIOD. Re-development cleans up area of blight, and a new stadium definitely would've done that. You want owners to pay for their own stadiums, tell each 31 other NFL owner to start ponying up for all the free money they received to pay for their stadium... Oh ya, you won't do that will you.
     
  20. Buck Melanoma

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    I don't think that ANY of these rich fuckers should get or have gotten taxpayer funds to help them make money. Sounds almost like socialism, doesn't it? ;) Don't know why you think telling these bloodsuckers off one & all would offend my sensibilities ... remember, I'm the guy who was on the players' side during the strike. I don't suck off corporate whores like you apparently are wont to do.

    As for it being a taxpayer approved issue, that's all fine by me. I'm not calling into question the ruling per se. But if you want to eliminate blight, there are ways that are one helluva lot more beneficial to the general public than handouts to the already-rich.

    Tell them go play in an abandoned lot if the Murph ain't good enough.
     
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    Clueless... absolutely clueless.
     
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    Oh I get it, you were the guy sucking off the rich players who wanted more money. Thanks for making that clear.
     
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    Pathetically short sighted of California but I expect nothing less from this state with such a group of abject morons running it. After all, instead of spending money on projects that could bring tourism and jobs into the state, they need to spend billions on a high speed rail line connecting fresno to bakersfield
     
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    If your business model requires you to get the public to fund the construction of your headquarters, then it's not really a viable plan. Either you can afford to operate based on your profits, or you can't. Funny, but the bigger the corporation is, they more tax loopholes and handouts they want. Hardly free enterprise, and the NFL owners are a cartel, though they don't want you to think of them that way.
     
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    hey Buck... Why should Spanos give the City of San Diego a hand out (more than he already is)? Spanos doesnt own the complex. The CITY OF SAN DIEGO owns the complex, which would still be the same if a new stadium is built. So why exactly should Spanos simply build a stadium and hand it over the SD as he tried to do in the past?
     
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    And yet you support the NFL by watching it on tv and buying their products. Congrats.

    Or maybe you're developing an initiative to have the NFL and the owners give back all the corporate "handouts" they've received so all 32 NFL teams play on an even playing field??? I'm guessing no.
     
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    Once again, you're missing the point entirely.

    Answer me this......... why can't the NFL owners pool together their development money and build one stadium project at a time? With the huge new TV deal, there's plenty of money to finance their own projects. All they need to do is determine which projects are the most appropriate to tackle first. Since they are a collective, they should be able to work together to fund these big stadium projects. No reason why they should be asking for charity from the public.
     
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    If your headquarters was to be OWNED by said public, then yeas said public should shoulder some of the burden to build it.

    let us not suddenly think that the public would build Spanos a shiny new stadium and Spanos would own it. The city of SD would own it and Spanos would rent it, just as they do now.
     
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    To be owned by whom?

    in Blue World is is charity now to ask the City to help build the City's stadium... Really? Wow...
     
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    Depends..... the individual cities could determine whether they want to lease or sell the land outright. There will certainly be some costs incurred by the cities regarding the infrastructure. The financing of the stadium construction itself could be done by the NFL itself though. The costs to the cities would be greatly reduced, therefore making approval of new projects far easier.
     

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