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Top 40 Players in the AFC West

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  1. Blue Bolt

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    AFC West's top 40 players
    July, 6, 2012
    By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

    We wrap up our AFC West positional ranking series by presenting the top 40 overall players in the division.

    If we could have gotten a sneak peek at this list six months ago, we would have all fallen out of our chairs.

    Yes, Peyton Manning now lives here.

    He must enter the division as the No. 1 ranked player. I don't care that he missed all of last season with a neck injury. Manning is one of the greatest players ever. He'll remain atop the division until he proves otherwise.

    In all, we had 22 offensive players, 17 defensive players and a kicking specialist on the list. That breakdown makes sense. This is an offense-first division that is blessed with great kicking.

    The talent-rich Chiefs lead the way with 13 players in the top 40. They placed an impressive eight players in the top 19. Denver has 10 players on the list, Oakland has nine, and San Diego has eight.

    What stands out to me is how many young players are on this list. If they all pan out, this division will be in good shape for the long haul.

    1. Peyton Manning, quarterback, Denver: Welcome to the division, Mr. Manning.

    2. Philip Rivers, quarterback, San Diego: I don't think Rivers would argue with losing his place atop the division.

    3. Tamba Hali, linebacker, Kansas City: If you think Hali is listed too high, you haven't seen him play much.

    4. Von Miller, linebacker, Denver: The AFC West has something very special in its midst.

    5. Darren McFadden, running back, Oakland: When healthy, he is one of the best offensive weapons in the game.

    6. Antonio Gates, tight end, San Diego: He is aging but is still special.

    7. Jamaal Charles, running back, Kansas City: I expect him to come back from a torn ACL and still be dangerous.

    8. Champ Bailey, cornerback, Denver: The first-ballot Hall of Famer is still playing at a high level.

    9. Eric Berry, safety, Kansas City: Coming back from a knee injury, Berry will give the Chiefs' defense a major boost.

    10. Dwayne Bowe, receiver, Kansas City: He is clearly the best receiver in the division.

    11. Derrick Johnson, linebacker, Kansas City: He is underrated but has the ability to change games.

    12. Carson Palmer, quarterback, Oakland: No longer elite, but his arm can still win games.

    13. Richard Seymour, defensive lineman, Oakland: He is declining, but he is still a plus player.

    14. Elvis Dumervil, defensive lineman, Denver: He is part of a dangerous pass-rush tandem with Miller.

    15. Eric Weddle, safety, San Diego: He is an underrated playmaker.

    16. Eric Winston, tackle, Kansas City: He comes into the division as the best offensive lineman in the West.

    17. Ryan Clady, tackle, Denver: Playing with Manning should re-energize Clady’s game.

    18. Brandon Flowers, cornerback, Kansas City: Scouts love this cornerback.

    19. Matt Cassel, quarterback, Kansas City: He's not great, but he can help his team win.

    20. Willis McGahee, running back, Denver: McGahee may not be as good as he was in 2011, but he doesn't have to be.

    21. Tyvon Branch, safety, Oakland: A tackle machine who is a bright spot on Oakland's defense.

    22. Ryan Mathews, running back, San Diego: Many around the league expect big things from Mathews in 2012.

    23. Tommy Kelly, defensive lineman, Oakland:Some scouts around the league prefer him over Seymour.

    24. D.J. Williams, linebacker, Denver: He had his issues, but he can play the game.

    25. Peyton Hillis, running back, Kansas City: Former Bronco should be a great complement to Charles as he returns to the division.

    26. Lamarr Houston, defensive lineman, Oakland:He has the chance to be one of the best defensive linemen in the league soon.

    27. Nick Hardwick, center, San Diego: A solid anchor whom the Chargers had to re-sign.

    28. Chris Kuper, guard, Denver: He is a scout favorite and a true tough guy.

    29. Malcom Floyd, receiver, San Diego: The key for Floyd is staying healthy.

    30. Tony Moeaki, tight end, Kansas City: Another young Chiefs standout who is coming off an injury.

    31. Stanford Routt, cornerback, Kansas City: He should shine now that he is back to being a No. 2 corner.

    32. Shane Lechler, punter, Oakland: The best in the business.

    33. Tracy Porter, cornerback, Denver: The Broncos are doing back flips about this signing.

    34. Quentin Jammer, cornerback, San Diego: The Chargers are banking on Jammer rebounding from a tough 2011 season.

    35. Jared Veldheer, tackle, Oakland: He has a chance to develop into a top-tier left tackle.

    36. Jared Gaither, tackle, San Diego: He is the key to protecting Rivers.

    37. Darrius Heyward-Bey, receiver, Oakland: It’s a tribute to Heyward-Bey that he has made this list after a shaky start to his career.

    38. Demaryius Thomas, receiver, Denver: I could see him being in the top 20 on this list next year.

    39. Justin Houston, linebacker, Kansas City: The Chiefs are drooling over the Hali-Houston pass-rush combination.

    40. Branden Albert, tackle, Kansas City: He is not great, but he is a solid player.
     
  2. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Bullshit. Jammer is one of the three worst starting CBs in the league, Donald Butler and Shaun Phillips deserve to be on this list, and there is no way Peyton gets #1 until he proves he's not affected by missing an entire season and changing teams.

    I'd also put Vasquez on the list in the 35-40 range. Lame page 1 analysis by Williamson.
     
  3. HollywoodLeo

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    Three worst? Don't you think you're being a bit harsh? Or are you just valuing him that low due to age/coming off a bad season?
     
  4. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    I'm considering that he's 33, and coming if a season like this.. http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2012/worst-cornerback-charting-stats-2011

    All the **** Terrance Newman got from the media and Cowboy fans, Jammer deserves as well. I don't care much about his off field issues, the guy is old and slow and that means we can't put him in man coverage without him being a serious liability. And considering bump and run has always been his forte, I'd say he's pretty much useless unless he's finds the magical patented Favre fountain of youth. I'm not holding my breath for that.
     
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    Just as last season was not indicative of Rivers' normal standard of play, the same can be said of Jammer. Don't read too much into one year.

    Jammer is getting old, sure, but he's not bottom of the barrel like you suggest. He will play much better this year.
     
  6. HollywoodLeo

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    So, the answer to my last question is yes.
     
  7. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Not sure how you came to that conclusion, do I think I'm being a bit harsh? Not at all.
     
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    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    33 is elderly for a CB.
    30 is still prime for a QB.

    Not a good comparison, the positions couldn't be more different.
     
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    What I was comparing was that both had a down year. That doesn't mean you should expect the same, or worse for this year.

    You seem to think that Jammer is ready for the trash heap...... I think he's still decent if the front 7 gets some pressure on the QB. Last season was a cluster **** for Jammer. His head was totally MIA with his divorce mess, and Manusky left the CBs out to dry. Jammer is old and not the player he once was, but he's still not a bottom dweller.
     
  10. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    I'm not gonna deny that I do think this is a classic case of a team holding on one year to long. We could have done better with the $4 mil he's set to make. I really hope the coaches put foolish loyalty aside and allow Gilchrist to challenge Jammer, not just Cason for a starting job.
     
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    We need good depth regardless. Either starter could go down at any time. Gilchrist needs to be ready to contribute, no question.
     
  12. Whooki Mane

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    Had a feeling the rankings on this list would be a little off just from reading "The talent-rich Chiefs" :tdown:
     
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    Really?.......... you don't think the Chiefs have talent on their roster. Sounds like a homer complaint to me.
     
  14. HollywoodLeo

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    I said the last question.

    This one

     
  15. Whooki Mane

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    IMO they're probably the least talented in the division... Matt Cassel is a below average QB and in a league when you only go as far as your QB takes you I don't believe that could be overlooked .... 2 of their best players (Eric Berry and Jamal Charles) are coming off torn ACL's ...... I believe Tony Moeaki is grossly overrated not to mention he's coming off a torn ACL himself.. I dont know, maybe my hate for the Chiefs is clouding my judgement but im a lot more worried about the Raiders and Broncos in pursuit of this AFC West championship for the upcoming season
     
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    I don't see how anyone can cay that a 36 year old QB who is on a new team and hasn't played in an entire year, is better than River
     
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    Manning is the biggest prep/rep rat in the history of the NFL. That designation has proved well for him in his career. However, after being out an entire season I still think adjusting to the speed of the game will be tough, even for him. I think his first 4-6 games (vs. Steelers, @ Falcons, vs. Texans, vs. Raiders, @Pats, @Chargers) are going to be difficult.
     
  18. Whooki Mane

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    Not to mention coming off neck fusion surgery.... I remember at this time last year Peyton Manning was a 99% lock to be the starter on opening day, so much for that...
     
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    Bobble-head time. :sneaky:
     
  20. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I don't give these ranking much attention because what you started out this morning with isn't what your gonna end up with tomorrow. Yes, Jammer had a down year, yes, he's 33 going in but if he or any other CB doesn't have to have continuous coverage for 7 plus second he'll be okay. A halfway decent pass rush will improve the defensive backfield play immensely.
     
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    All of these rankings are irrelevant until they start being adjusted for regular season performance. If Weddle gets 8 picks this year and returns 3 of them for 6, while the Chargers go 14-2 and the Chiefs go 2-14, no one is going to be talking about Eric Berry over Weddle. If Rivers throws 30 picks, no one will think he's the 2nd best QB in the division, just as no one will if he throws 50 TD passes with 5 INTs.

    These are talking points, and little else, until week 1 is here.
     
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    I find it amusing that fans get bent out of shape over some else's ranking.

    On pure ability, I'd put Berry ahead of Weddle. On career accomplishment, I'd rank Manning ahead of Rivers. These are all totally subjective rankings. Arguments can be made for, or against any of these guys..... it's just preseason column filler.
     
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    I honestly would put Manning above Rivers. I don't know how he's going to adjust with being out a year, the surgery, and a new team, but I do think he's a better QB than Rivers. Until we know more about how things will go in Denver, he's still Peyton Manning
     
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    I agree that these rankings are irrelevant but I like looking at stuff like this in the offseason because it gives us stuff to talk about and debate... Anything that starts up some bolts conversation during this time of year I enjoy :inlove:
     
  26. Savage Lizard

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    Not me! I want Rivers to be ranked as far down the list of QBs possible. I want our defense getting trashed by whoever needs to write an article. I want to hear that we have the worst concessions in the NFL. I want hate and nobody paying any attention to us, because getting love hasn't gotten this team anywhere.
     
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    What you're missing, is that it's irrelevant what anyone writes about the team.... good, or bad.

    It's only what they do on the field that matters....... the rest is just hot air.
     
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    Getting hate won't get the team anywhere either. It'll just make you feel more vindicated if they do.
     
  29. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard Charger fan at 7000'

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    Having sunshine blown up their as*es by the media has gotten them nowhere. Being rated poorly and disrespected MIGHT make them hungrier, then again maybe not. Obviously it will either get done on the field or it won't.

    Seems like a pretty easy point to get, yet two of you managed to miss it.
     
  30. HollywoodLeo

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    It's not an easy point to get because it's a useless point to make. If the players on the field are motivated by what the media says to the point that it's a determining factor in whether they win or lose then they have no business being on the field.

    Just admit it. You want negative press so that it makes it feel that much better should they win in the face of all the hate, and you're simultaneously jaded from all the SB predictions just to watch them flop.

    It's ok, I feel the same. I just admit it.
     

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