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Turner won't let LT's skills go to waste

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by ChargerRay, Feb 23, 2007.

  1. ChargerRay

    ChargerRay #FireMcCoy #FirePagano Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    From the ESPN Insider

    By Len Pasquarelli

    INDIANAPOLIS -- The merits of hiring Norv Turner in San Diego, despite his 59-83-1 record in two previous incarnations as an NFL head coach, already have been the subject of considerable discussion around the league. What cannot be debated, though, is that league Most Valuable Player LaDainian Tomlinson need not worry very much about his role in Turner's offense.

    In fact, Tomlinson could post even bigger numbers in 2007 with Turner calling the plays.

    The Chargers, who owned the NFL's best record in 2006 but were ousted in the divisional round of the playoffs, may not win a Super Bowl under Turner's stewardship and could continue to underachieve. But there is little doubt Tomlinson will win a lot of rushing titles and could run for 2,000 yards some season.

    During Turner's 16-year tenure as either an offensive coordinator or head coach in the league, he has often been miscast as a guy who wanted to throw the ball first, sometimes to the detriment of the running game. How that perception evolved is unknown. But nothing could be more erroneous, as all the numbers bear out, and Tomlinson figures to be benefit from Turner's desire for a physical running game.

    "I've coached against Norv for a long time," said new Dallas head coach Wade Phillips, "and he's a pounder on offense. He is going to run the football. That's just him. I don't know what it is about Norv, where people have gotten this idea that he's someone who just wants to throw the ball all over the field, because that's not the case. Go back and look at what he's done, the way his offenses have operated everywhere he has called the plays."

    Certainly, his background indicates that Turner loves having a workhorse-type tailback in his offense, and that has been the case virtually everywhere he has been. Although Turner has great acumen in the overall design of the passing game, when he has coached tailbacks such as Emmitt Smith, Terry Allen, Stephen Davis, Ricky Williams and Frank Gore, his preference has been to bludgeon opposing defenses.

    On average, in the 16 seasons in which Turner has been responsible for play selection, his tailbacks have carried 292.5 times for 1,239.2 yards and 10.1 touchdowns. His tailbacks have logged 325 carries or more in eight seasons and 350-plus attempts four times. Five times, Turner has had a tailback run for more than 1,400 yards, and his featured backs have gone over 1,200 yards on 10 occasions.

    Turner essentially installed the fundamentals of the current San Diego running game offense, when he was the coordinator there in 2001, and so there is a familiarity and mutual respect between him and Tomlinson.

    "Hey, if I'm [Tomlinson], man, I've got a big smile on my face," Phillips said.
     
  2. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    only big numbers i wanna see out of LT is 2000 yds and 18-22 TDs

    Like to see Rivers hit some guys for TDs more often then just gates and the few to Jackson/Floyd
     
  3. Thread_Killer

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    LT will produce and get his fair amount of touches no matter what.

    I am more worried about scoring TD's in the red zone, not settling for field goals. We were money in that area under Cam; we can't take a step back now that he's gone.
     
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    There's only 1 number I want to see,

    XLII Champions.
     
  5. !~BOLT~!

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    awesome point, and very important stat that needs to stay the course. our gold zone offense is so proven opposing d's damn near give up instead of delaying the inevitable. was it cam and his short strike play calling or the true grit character of our players. not to mention i really dont think we can count on a thirty yarder week in week out.
     
  6. Ride The Lightning

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    It goes back to the talent of our guys on the team and the packages we can put on the field. What will opposing defenses do? Cram the box to take away the short run? Lt will throw it over the top. Drop everyone into the endzone to stop the pass? Handoff to the best scoring back ever. Blitz like madmen? Single coverage on Gates or Jackson who will just outjump the smaller dbs.

    Bottom line is that there's little teams can do against our overwhelming talent. Obviously we're not gonna score a TD eveery single time in the red zone, but that's where Nate come in. He's money inside that range.
     
  7. sdchrger

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    The Burner will be gone with Sproles as our number 2 running threat.
     
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    AJ will find a bruiser on the second day to take over for Turner.

    I am not comfortable with Sproles at all.
     
  9. MtlBoltsFan

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    Blalock did 40 lifts we need this guy to replace Goff at RG.... two nasty ****ers at G and then burrito boy and doughnut boy at T and sirpukesalot at C. PS guys I am pretty sure there is already a deal in place for the NYJ #25 pick.
     
  10. MtlBoltsFan

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    Don't worry lil buddy we are going to draft Garrett Wolfe
     
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    We need that white dude from Rutgers, whatever the hell his name is.
     
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    Greg Schiano?
     
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    :lol: no, the running back, i can't remember his name
     
  14. BeTheHammerNotTheNail

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    A bruiser? Why waste the pick? We already have a guy named Andrew Pinnock. Just because he hasn't had the carries doesn't mean he can't produce. His play in college was as good as any bruiser in the draft (excluding Bush and Peterson, who is not a true power back).

    Pinnock: Has good body definition, with a solid upper frame and thickness in the chest and arms … Has thick thighs, muscular lower legs and calves … Shows good balance, quickness and speed through the holes … Has the hands to be productive out of the backfield … Shows excellent pick and vision … Has the ability to slide through the hole … Very strong runner who consistently breaks arm tackles … Has good quickness and balance, moving with authority through the holes … Strong balance allows him to keep his feet in traffic … Has the strength needed to drag defenders, lowering his shoulders properly to explode on contact … Maintains balance and keeps his feet … Rarely goes down after the first hit and will punish a defender attempting to arm tackle … Lowers his pads, squares his shoulders and punishes defenders as he tramples over them … Has the proper body lean to pick and slide through the holes … Pile mover, yet nimble getting through traffic.

    Sounds like we took him for a reason. Marty was right- Pinnock is a tailback.

    And Sproles? He may be tiny, but that's what they said about Maurice Jones Drew, who no one really believed would produce outside of special teams. Sure Drew is heavier, but Sproles is infinitely more elusive. Anyone seen his college play? Barry Sanders comes to mind.

    Anyway, neither is LT, but with both we have lightning and thunder. They can get the job done if we can drop Turner (eh, Michael) for a 1st. If we can get a cover man in the secondary, we'll be better off THIS YEAR than if we kept Turner (eh, Michael) for the season.
     
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    Brian Leonard?
     
  16. nickelbolt

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    Yup. But if he runs well, he won't be there in the third round. AJ ain't gonna take a RB in the first two rounds unless Adrian Peterson or Lynch are still there. And that ain't very likely.

    I like that Lorenzo Booker outta' Fla State. in the 3rd or 4th round. That would be a good value.
     
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    Norv's offenses don't wear down his running backs. If we can get at least a 2nd-rounder for Turner, we should do it.

    I agree that Sproles will be a non-factor in the running game, but we can pick up a bargain-basement veteran RB to spell LT.
     
  18. cranberry

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    a balanced offence, based on LT's skills is a must for Norv Turner.
    He can't let do him the workhorse's job every game. Rivers will have
    more experience next year and the O-Line guys at their best.
     
  19. Zeus

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    Norv's offense isnt just "Run down the middle" it uses a lot more options. Yes he likes to have a good running game, but you can't discount the fact that QBs under him produce record numbers. If your running all the time chances are your QB don't post great numbers.

    We have more need in WR, SS, and Offensive line over RB. We might use ONE of our thirds rounds to get a bruiser type. However only if he is worth it.
     

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