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UDFAs Someday

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by ThunderHorse17, May 1, 2011.

  1. ThunderHorse17

    ThunderHorse17 Lone Wolf

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    Was wondering myself before I saw this today.

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    TOP UNDRAFTED PLAYERS BY POSITION

    Quarterbacks

    1.Adam Froman (Louisville)
    2.Taylor Potts (Texas Tech)
    3.Adam Weber (Minnesota)
    4.Josh Portis (California, Pa.)
    5.Scott Tolzien (Wisconsin)

    Running Backs

    1.Derrick Locke (Kentucky)
    2.Noel Devine (West Virginia)
    3.Mario Fannin (Auburn)
    4.Damien Berry (Miami)
    5.Brandon Saine (Ohio State)

    Wide Receivers
    1. Dane Sanzenbacher (Ohio State)
    2. *Darvin Adams (Auburn)
    3. Ricardo Lockette (Fort Valley State)
    4. Jeff Maehl (Oregon)
    5. Armon Binns (Cincinnati)

    Tight Ends
    1. Andre Smith (Virginia Tech)
    2. Schuylar Oordt (Northern Iowa)
    3. Collin Franklin (Iowa State)
    4. Weslye Saunders (South Carolina)
    5. Zach Pianalto (North Carolina)

    Offensive Tackles
    1. Derek Hall (Stanford)
    2. Willie Smith (East Carolina)
    3. David Mims (Virginia Union)
    4. D.J. Young (Michigan State)
    5. Trevis Turner (Abilene Christian)

    Offensive Guards

    1. Zach Hurd (Connecticut)
    2. Ray Dominguez (Arkansas)
    3. Carl Johnson (Florida)
    4. Justin Boren (Ohio State)
    5. Andrew Phillips (Stanford)

    Centers

    1. Kris O'Dowd (Southern Cal)
    2. Zane Taylor (Utah)
    3. Tim Barnes (Missouri)
    4. Jake Kirkpatrick (TCU)
    5. Alex Linnenkohl (Oregon State)

    Defensive Ends

    1. Ugo Chinasa (Oklahoma State)
    2. Brandon Bair (Oregon)
    3. Pierre Allen (Nebraska)
    4. Eddie Jones (Texas)
    5. Marc Schiechl (Colorado School of Mines)

    Defensive Tackles

    1. Cedric Thornton (Southern Arkansas)
    2. Ollie Ogbu (Penn State)
    3. *Sealver Siliga (Utah)
    4. Anthony Gray (Southern Miss)
    5. Corbin Bryant (Northwestern)

    Inside Linebackers
    1. Jeff Tarpinian (Iowa)
    2. Mario Harvey (Marshall)
    3. Josh Bynes (Auburn)
    4. Nick Bellore (Central Michigan)
    5. Orie Lemon (Oklahoma State)

    Outside Linebackers

    1. Adrian Moten (Maryland)
    2. Mark Herzlich (Boston College)
    3. Jeremiha Hunter (Iowa)
    4. Scott Lutrus (Connecticut)
    5. *Thomas Keiser (Stanford)

    Cornerbacks

    1. Kendric Burney (North Carolina)
    2. Loyce Means (Houston)
    3. Talmadge Jackson III (Oregon)
    4. Kevin Rutland (Missouri)
    5. Darrin Walls (Notre Dame)

    Free Safeties

    1. Deunta Williams (North Carolina)
    2. *Jerrard Tarrant (Georgia Tech)
    3. Anthony Walters (Delaware)
    4. *Will Hill (Florida)
    5. Brian Lainhart (Kent State)

    Strong Safeties

    1. DeAndre McDaniel (Clemson)
    2. Joe Lefeged (Rutgers)
    3. Jeron Johnson (Boise State)
    4. Mana Silva (Hawaii)
    5. David Sims (Iowa State)

    Specialists

    1. Kai Forbath (UCLA)
    2. Josh Jasper (LSU)
    3. Dan Bailey (Oklahoma State)
    4. Chas Henry (Florida)
    5. Ryan Donahue (Iowa)
     
  2. ThunderHorse17

    ThunderHorse17 Lone Wolf

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    1. DT Ian Williams, Notre Dame

    Williams fought through injury in 2010, missing time with a knee injury, but his toughness and hustle from the interior could allow him to contribute for a long time as a solid, if not overly flashy, 4-3 nose tackle/one-technique.

    2. WR Terrance Toliver, LSU

    Toliver's tape isn't superior, but his size/speed combination still typically earns an SEC receiver some sort of draft slot. He also looked good at the end of the season and at the East-West Shrine Game. He should latch on with a team interested in a vertical route runner with enough size to create mismatches against smaller cornerbacks.

    3. QB Pat Devlin, Delaware

    The Penn State transfer did not impress scouts with his arm strength at the East-West Shrine Game or his pro day, but his performance was not so poor that most didn't expect him to be drafted late. Though he ran primarily out of shotgun for the Blue Hens, he came out from under center at Penn State and has the size, athleticism and intelligence to stick on a roster as a backup or potential spot starter.

    4. CB Ryan Jones, Northwest Missouri State

    It was surprising that a solid cornerback who produced for a powerhouse Division II program and who blew up his pro day (40-inch vertical, 4.46 40 at 5-11, 198 pounds, 19 reps of 225 pounds) went undrafted. He is raw in his coverage and tackling techniques to be sure, but it won't be surprising to see him stick as a nickel back with potential as a starter down the line.

    5. DT Martin Parker, Richmond

    Another small-school prospect, Parker showed up big time at the East-West Shrine Game, but teams didn't appreciate his film enough to select him even late in the draft. Given time and coaching, Parker could be an interesting three-technique prospect who provides pass rush as a high-effort wave player.

    Thought these 5 would be on the list, but here are more UDFAs. Among them a WR I would have loved in Toliver.
     
  3. Dublin Bolt

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    Wow didn't know Herzlich wasn't drafted, wasn't he in NYC for it?. Poor guy. I've heard some guys biggin up Noel Devine, kinda surprised he missed out too.
     
  4. HollywoodLeo

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    What do the asterisks mean?
     
  5. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    In internet parlance, it usually indicates an *******. ;)
     
  6. ThunderHorse17

    ThunderHorse17 Lone Wolf

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    Gotta wonder the site didnt specify anything about Asterisks. Well we know that everyone has one or is one at least.
     
  7. Joy Division

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    From thie receivers section..I like Jeff Maehl out of Oregon.
    Great route runner..shifty...great hands. Sure, not the fastest...
    but quickeness and angles makes a slot receiver effective...

    Kinda surprised he didn't get drafted..
     
  8. ThunderHorse17

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    Pat Kirwan's best undrafted players

    On opening weekend of the 2010 regular season, there were 59 undrafted free agents on 53-man rosters. A number of those players made huge impacts for their teams.

    Undrafted free-agent running back LeGarrette Blount rushed for 1,007 yards, the most by a rookie in 2010. Chris Ivory was pressed into action when injuries to Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas forced the undrafted rookie running back into the starting lineup for the defending Super Bowl champion Saints. In Week 5, Max Hall's first career start, the undrafted rookie QB led the Cardinals to a shocking upset win over the defending champion Saints. Undrafted cornerback Sam Shields had two interceptions in the Packers' NFC Championship Game win over the Bears.

    Tough decision for the undrafted
    In a normal year, undrafted free agents would be the subject of frenzied courtships, but now those players are in limbo and facing a tough choice, Albert Breer writes. More ... Could some of this year's undrafted players have similar impacts in the 2011 season?

    Here is my list of the top players that are still available after the conclusion of the 2011 NFL Draft, but currently are unable to sign with team due to the lockout:

    1. Pat Devlin, QB, Delaware: Devlin was a Penn State transfer who played very well at the Football Championship Subdivision (formerly Division I-AA) level, throwing for 3,032 yards, 22 touchdowns and three interceptions. Devlin has good size (6-3, 225 pounds) and arm strength.

    2. Kendric Burney, CB, North Carolina: Burney possesses good coverage ability and plays well against the run, but lacks ideal speed for the position; Burney ran a 4.75-second 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine.

    3. Deandre McDaniel, SS, Clemson: McDaniel had a good 2010 season, recording a team-high four interceptions. A highly touted player entering the draft, McDaniel lacks top-notch speed (4.65-second 40-yard dash at combine) and has trouble in man coverage.

    4. Darvin Adams, WR, Auburn: Adams was an early entry player who doesn't have great speed, but does a very good job of catching the ball in traffic.

    5. Mark Herzlich, LB, Boston College: If Herzlich would have been available in the 2009 draft, he would have been a top 10 or 15 pick. In May of 2009, Herzlich was diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer, and after missing the entire season, returned to the field in 2010. Herzlich participated in practice just three times before playing in Boston College's 2010 season opener. He's a strong player (29 bench-press reps at the combine), and is very good at diagnosing plays (his four interceptions are evidence of that ability). He's a special player as far as work habits, and appears to slowly be regaining his speed and quickness.

    6. Ian Williams, DT, Notre Dame: Williams was a three-year starter for the Irish. He's very strong (31 bench-press reps at combine), understands leverage, but is just an average pass rusher.

    7. Terrence Toliver, WR, LSU: A big receiver (6-4, 214 pounds) with 4.59 speed, Toliver tends to be a body catcher, allowing passes to get to his body rather than his hands. He had a good performance at LSU's pro day.

    8. Ricardo Lockette, WR, Fort Valley State: Lockette was one of the fastest players at the combine, running a 4.37-second 40-yard dash. At Fort Valley State, Lockette displayed average hands; he'd make a great catch, then drop an easy one.

    9. Orie Lemon, LB, Oklahoma State: Lemon is a strong inside player who can probably only play two downs in the NFL because he lacks coverage speed.

    10. Scott Lutrus, LB, Connecticut: Clocked at 4.68 in the 40 at the combine, he runs well for an inside linebacker. However, Lutrus has a history of experiencing stingers.

    11. Derrick Locke, RB, Kentucky: At 5-foot-8 and 188 pounds, Locke does not have great size. He averaged 5.3 yards per carry in his final season at Kentucky and is also a good kick returner. In high school, Locke had a 3,000-yard season.

    12. Nick Bellore, LB, Central Michigan: Bellore made a ton of tackles for the Chippewas over his college career, with 90 last season and more than 400 total. He looked good in the position drills at the combine and ran a 4.84 40.

    13. Joe Lefeged, DB, Rutgers: Lefeged contributed on both defense and special teams for the Scarlet Knights, serving as a returner and also especially adept at blocking kicks (four last season and seven in his college career).
     
  9. Buck Melanoma

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    I'm an admitted Virginia Tech homer but we should definitely take a good look at Andre Smith at TE & Steven Friday at OLB. Also David Mims, OT outta Virginia Union. These are guys that I've seen in action personally & are all worth a look.
     
  10. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    I want Andre Smith. He's not a "special" player, but he's the epitome of solid. He'll hold down a #2 TE spot for years while being an extremely capable blocker both in-line and at the second level.

    A few other names I'd throw out there that I think are at least worth fliers as camp bodies - if we get the opportunity to sign UDFA's:

    - I'm a huge Nick Bellore fan - he's very likely maxed out his frame already and is teetering on the "undersized" border but he's a smart, all-effort-all-the-time kind of player.

    - Zach Hurd, OG, Connecticut - Plays a little out of control at times, but he's got the nastiness and mauling ability that make RG's great. Has some technical work that needs to be corrected in his pass-blocking, but can be a great sub-package OL or worse case scenario PS guy while learning to translate his athleticism and hulk-like strength that's shown in his run-blocking to his pass-blocking as well.

    - Zane Taylor, C, Connecticut - We still don't have much in the way of a backup center, considering that Green isn't very strong snapping the ball and getting into his stance to block effectively enough against pro-level defenders. Taylor may only be a career-backup, but he's go 3-position versatility. A good strong base that anchors extremely well against bull-rushers. Tough, strong, and durable.

    - Demario Ballard, WR, Western Oregon - He broke 4.5 while running at Portland State's Pro Day. Why is this important? He's 6'5", 219 lbs, with strong hands, good release off the line, knowledge of how to use his length and size to his advantage, and great at tracking balls in mid-air (highpointing and over the shoulder). He needs to refine his route-running - which is raw - but we've got one of the best coaches in the business for something like that... and you can't teach size.

    - Trevis Turner, RT, Abilene Christian - 6'7", 342 lbs big bodied RT with good natural knee bend and a vicious punch (to couple with long arms and big hands). Wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him on our radar.

    - Isa Abdul-El Quddus, DB, Fordham - This ones for Ray and I'd love to see him have to learn to pronounce this guy's name because even I don't know how. Another CB/S tweener, but he's got extremely fluid hips, very good speed (mid-4.4 40), good size (6'0", 200 lbs), and delivers one heck of a strong pop on his tackles. Scary thing is... to look at him, he needs the weight room (his arms and legs are skinny); if he bulks those up a bit we're talking a 210-215 pound DB that likes to hit and has the hips to turn and run with receivers out of the slot.

    - Curt Porter, OT, Jacksonville State - Needs the weight room, but fundamentally he does everything you'd ask of a pro-level developmental tackle. In J'ville State's win over Ole Miss in 2009, Porter moved inside and effectively handled (new Chief) Jerrell Powe the entire game - limiting him to just 2 tackles on the game.

    - Marc Schiechl, OLB, Colorado School of Mines - Another fun name for Ray to pronounce and yes another D2 prospect - but the guy did set the D2 record for career sacks - sometimes going through 2 and 3 blockers to get to the QB. Decent size - maybe a little lacking in height - and a tad lacking in lateral agility, he has very good burst, good hip flexibility, is strong as an ox, and non-stop motor and a ton of potential to groom from.

    - Jonathan Freeny, OLB, Rutgers - The last of my sleeper OLB's and the only one that didn't get drafted (even though all the others were under-the-radar prospects not getting a lot of love from other outlets)... he's also Dwight Freeney's second cousin and I'd say those are good bloodlines to have. Measurments, workouts, and numbers wise this guy has it all. Great burst, good bend/flexibility, smooth hips, long arms, great motor/high-energy, and fantastic durability (the guy played hurt all of 2010 and still produced effectively - only half a sack but was in on well over 60% of the defensive plays in the backfield). He needs to learn counter-moves, but he's got a ton of untapped athletic ability to draw from.
     
  11. Buck Melanoma

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    Get in the hunt, AJ. Now.
     
  12. CoronaDoug

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    I really like RB Damien Berry. But we don't need another RB.
    I am sure that there is some under the table positioning going on with these UDFA guys.
     
  13. ThunderHorse17

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    Man the more you pull out names/#s the more it seems this draft was never really a round one or two just 7 rounds of round 3 calibur players that all could stick somewhere if they were noticed by teams.

    Demario Ballard<------ Lets get this guy and groom him!! Swear if NE can be the backup qb grooming team, we can be the WR team!!

    Speakin of Chuck, how long you think we can keep him here/ how long is his current contract for? Hard to imagine a WR coach having much more job upgrading to be had. Only pay can go up...maybe I am wrong and Joiner is HC/OC worthy...
     
  14. ThunderHorse17

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    GMs skirting rules by talking to undrafted free agents

    GMs skirting rules by talking to undrafted free agents - NFL - CBSSports.com Football

    It's understandable why teams would risk severe punishment from the NFL over illicitly contacting undrafted free agents. These players are in some ways the backbone of football and are cheap to sign. They're critical to the league and undrafted players have a long track record of great achievement.

    Last year alone over 20 undrafted free agents made the Pro Bowl. The list of those players throughout history is a distinguished one and includes Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Antonio Gates, Wes Welker, James Harrison, and Warren Moon, among many others.


    So I didnt see what was the range of penalty for talking to UDFAs. AJ you better already have told your UDFAs to sit tight and wait for us. Penaltys be damned.
     
  15. sdrocks

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    I believe it means they are an underclassman
     
  16. charger1993

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    The free agents I want

    1. Mark Herzlich LB
    2. Wesyle Saunders Te
    3. Derrick Locke RB
    4. Ian Williams DT
    5. Pat Devlin QB
    6. De'andre Mcdaniel S
    7. Arman Binns WR
     
  17. Buck Melanoma

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    Another player to consider ..... UVA long snapper Danny Aiken.
     
  18. ThunderHorse17

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    Deffinatly that time to start figuring out whos gonna be the David Binn 2.0....
     
  19. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Is Binn coming back?
     
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    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Can he date Pamela Andersen?

    We have our standards...
     
  21. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Miss Anderson doesn't, so I think theres a good chance.
     
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    Im pretty sure he will, but im saying it is that time to start the replacement plan process. Much like we are still working our way through the JWall shift. I do love the DEs/NTs we have on board. VM can become a dominant 3-4 DE still and OG for now can be a solid NT. Not so much a JWall 2, as we will never see a LT 2. *or 3 if ur couting alltime LTs*

    I can only hope we either have the next GREAT David Binn on the team, or in our sights. 15 years is deffinatly plenty of time to give to a NFL team even in such a limited capacity.
     
  23. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    Miss Anderson also has Hepatitis, doesn't she? We don't need our LS getting off to a bad start.

    Can we maybe start him out on some Holly Madison training wheels?

    Besides, if Jay Cuddles can pull one of the skanks off "Laguna Beach: The Real OC" then surely it's not out of the realm of prudence that the heir to the great David Binn could pull a Playboy Playmate.
     

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