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UT: Predicting the Final 53 - Take One

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Blue Bolt, Jul 26, 2014.

  1. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    We're thin at NT as it is, I wouldn't trade one for a guy who might be a decent kick returner. There are other guys who can fill that role if need be.
     
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  2. Blitzy

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    Yes, my sentiment was that the Chargers keep 3 QBs, one of whom could possibly become a draft pick bait for the next draft. What's with the :confused:?! You assumed mis-season, so if I had the time or the inclination, I'd research your question on mid-season trades, but then again I have neither ;)
     
  3. matilack

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    Actually I thought you were going to hit me with Billy Volek, HAHA. Missed opportunity. We traded a conditional 6th for him in September 2006.

    The only point I was making is it's very rare, and neither Clemens nor Sorenson has much actual stock right now. Clemens is a 31 year old journeyman on his 5th team, Sorenson has never taken a regular season snap. And if we keep Sorenson as the 3rd QB it's extremely unlike he will ever take a regular season snap for us, unless Rivers goes missing his 1st game since 2006 and Clemens happens to be hurt at the same time.
     
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  4. Dublin Bolt

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    I fear for Vincent Brown now. Not only is he not on the field unlike Inman, it's not like he was any great shakes anyway. And he brings nothing on STs. It's between Reese and Brown for me and Brown looking like the favorite to be odd man out now unless they try and get Reese to PS. I reckon Tutu and Inman both make it at this stage. Herndon is another option for the PS, as is to a lesser extent Chancellor.

    I had to listen to the Cowboys commentary duo for the game (including Laufenberg) and they talked up Chancellor quite a bit being a TX boy.

    I too would like to see Chris Davis on the 53 as a returner. Tevin Reese has been a big disappointment in that regard. He should at the very least be able to KR.
     
  5. SuperCharger92

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    Don't want to jump the gun after only 1 pre-season game.. but here is my 53

    QB (2) - Rivers, Sorensen
    RB (4) - Brown, Mathews, Oliver, Woodhead
    WR (6) - Ajirotutu, Allen, Brown, Floyd, Inman, Royal
    TE (4) - Gates, Green, Johnson, Phillips
    OT (3) - Dunlap, Fluker, Harris
    OG (3) - Rinehart, Troutman, Watts
    C (2) - Hardwick, Watt

    DE (4) - Guy, Liuget, Reyes, Scafe
    NT (3) - Carrethers, Geathers, Lissemore
    OLB (5) - Attaochu, Freeney, Ingram, Johnson, Williams
    ILB (4) - Butler, Conner, Gachkar, Te'o
    CB (5) - Cromartie, Flowers, Verrett, S. Williams, Wright
    SS (2) - Addae, Gilchrist
    FS (2) - Stuckey, Weddle

    ST (3) - Novak, Scifres, Windt

    PUP (1) - Clary

    I really hope Tevin Reese and Marion Grice make it to the PS. I'd actually be surprised if we cut our 2 draft picks from this year's draft, think we'll keep at least one.
     
  6. Dublin Bolt

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    PUP counts against the 53?.... damn.
    Interesting call on Cromartie and Watts over Ohrnberger.
     
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    Joy Division Slightly-known Member

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    Agree. I actually have yet to even see Cromartie play, most have Marshall slotted in that spot.
    Can this Cromartie tackle?
     
  8. Blue Bolt

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    No, but he's fast. ;)
     
  9. Lance19

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    "Well, that will never work."

    --D.S.

    Fast.jpg
     
  10. Blue Bolt

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    The current Chargers depth chart.......

    QB
    Philip Rivers
    Kellen Clemens
    Brad Sorensen

    FB
    David Johnson
    Zach Boren

    RB
    Ryan Mathews
    Danny Woodhead
    Donald Brown
    Branden Oliver
    Marion Grice
    Kerwynn Williams

    WR1
    Keenan Allen
    Seyi Ajirotutu
    Dontrelle Inman
    Tevin Reese
    Javontee Herndon

    WR2
    Malcom Floyd
    Eddie Royal
    Vincent Brown
    Torrence Allen
    Brelan Chancellor
    Micah Hatfield

    TE
    Antonio Gates
    Ladarius Green
    John Phillips
    David Johnson
    Jake Byrne
    Ryan Otten
    Michael Flacco

    LT
    King Dunlap
    Willie Smith
    Nick Becton

    LG
    Chad Rinehart
    Kenny Wiggins
    D.J. Johnson

    C
    Nick Hardwick
    Rich Ohrnberger
    Khalil Wilkes

    RG
    Chris Watt
    Johnnie Troutman
    Craig Watts
    Jeromey Clary (PUP)

    RT
    D.J. Fluker
    Mike Harris
    Jeremiah Sirles

    RE
    Corey Liuget
    Damik Scafe
    Tenny Palepoi

    DT
    Sean Lissemore
    Kwame Geathers
    Ryan Carrethers
    Chas Alecxhi

    LE
    Kendall Reyes
    Lawrence Guy
    Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe

    OLB
    Melvin Ingram
    Dwight Freeney
    Jerry Attaochu
    Cordarro Law
    Adrian Hamilton

    ILB
    Manti Te'o
    Reggie Walker
    Andrew Gachkar

    ILB
    Donald Butler
    Kavell Conner
    Victor Aiyewa

    OLB
    Jarret Johnson
    Tourek Williams
    Thomas Keiser
    Colton Underwood

    RCB
    Shareece Wright
    Jason Verrett
    Crezdon Butler
    Marcus Cromartie
    Greg Ducre

    LCB
    Brandon Flowers
    Richard Marshall
    Steve Williams
    Brandon Ghee
    Chris Davis
    Lowell Rose

    SS
    Marcus Gilchrist
    Jahleel Addae
    Alden Darby

    FS
    Eric Weddle
    Darrell Stuckey
    Adrian Phillips

    KR
    Donald Brown
    Javontee Herndon
    Kerwynn Williams
    Tevin Reese

    PR
    Eddie Royal
    Keenan Allen
    Javontee Herndon
    Chris Davis
     
  11. JohnnyX

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    K.A shouldn't be allowed to return kicks. Neither should Royal.
     
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  12. Dublin Bolt

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    Defo not Keenan... Royal is prob the best punt returner outside of Keenan so unless someone else shows some ability there I'm ok to let him continue. I do remember Canepa banging on about how he likes to fair catch it a bit much.
     
  13. Blue Bolt

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    The average punt return is pretty short...... the main thing is to make sure you catch the damn ball.

    Nick is an old curmudgeon.
     
  14. matilack

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    Royal has been very disappointing considering how he used to KILL us in the return game when he played for the Broncos.

    Sadly, I don't think Tevin Reese is going to make this team. But his inability to return kicks may also ensure he doesn't get vultured when we try to put him on the PS.
     
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    Inability to return kicks plus his very slight frame which will make most of us hold our breath collectively, every time opposing SP'ers ram into him.

    BTW, we are not the Seahawks, 49'rs, Packer's yet. What makes some guys in here fear every time that someone is mentioned as destined for the practice squad? It's not like our rejects are going to be immediate starters on most teams!
     
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    No, I was just making Clary relative on the PUP list. ;)

    And yes I believe if Cromartie can get healthy for Friday he will outshine those who are fighting for that last CB spot. He's got speed as well, so he has some potential at gunner on ST's.

    I think Watt is clearly being groomed to play C next year. He will start at RG in place of Clary but he's the backup C no doubt I believe. Watts I don't think will make it to the PS, he's got potential at RG.
     
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    Did you watch Richard Marshall the previous game? I think a blade of grass might of done a better job than him. All this talk this off-season is that he got faster and stronger and clearly I saw none of that. He's going into his 2nd year in this defense and still doesn't get some cover concepts as a veteran. Pretty sad.
     
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  18. matilack

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    Yeah but Grice and Reese are recently drafted players with upside. There are a lot of teams like Houston who is now dumpster diving in FA for running backs, who could use a 3rd RB who can be a factor in the passing game.

    Reese like I said will probably go unclaimed, as he is not a returner. In fact it'd probably be in the Chargers best interest to not give him any returns in pre-season, lest he should return a big one and catch someone's eye.
     
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    Have a funny feeling Chip Kelly/Jay Gruden will sign Reese..
     
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    I have a funnier feeling that both TT & MM are fully cognizant of your funny feeling ;)
     
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    Oliver is being tried out as a returner in practice. If he shows something against the Seahawks, then I would think the RB situation would be set..... Mathews, Woodhead, Brown, and Oliver. Grice and Reese would both be PS candidates, but that's it.
     
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    Oliver seems to be the best fit if he can perform being the returner. Takes some of the worry out out the kick game and allows others Like Royal ans Allen to concentrate on their jobs. Plus Oliver can get a few breather snaps in and work on his game in real time.
     
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    I am a fan of Oliver but I would rather see Reese get the opportunity in the return game. I just dont believe Oliver has the type of long speed to ever be a real threat in the return game. I dont believe Reese has the type of elusiveness and cut ability many return great return guys possess but I think he could be a dangerous return guy in the ted ginn mold (more of a 1 cut and just straight line speed type returner)
     
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    Javontee Herndon moves past Tevin Reese on depth chart

    You can kiss Reese goodbye.
     
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    No, not Herndon...
     
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    It's time for Brown to get really nervous as well. I think most people have Ajirotutu making the team for STs reasons, and he's not a bad receiver either. But I can't imagine we'll carry more than 6.

    Allen
    Floyd
    Royal
    Inman
    Ajirotutu
    Herndon

    If Herndon is the kick returner, who do you cut to make room for VB?
     
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    Playing favorites again?...... ;)

    Chargers rookie WR on rise
    Javontee Herndon moves past Tevin Reese on depth chart
    By Michael Gehlken
    11:54 A.M.AUG. 14, 2014


    Javontee Herndon has shown consistency in training camp.

    Now, he is being rewarded for it.

    There was a shift this week on the Chargers depth chart at wide receiver. Herndon, arguably having the best camp of five first-year players at the position, was elevated from the third- to second-team offense. It is expected he'll run with No. 2 quarterback Kellen Clemens on Friday when the Chargers play in Seattle for their second exhibition game.

    Two forces may be at play here with Herndon's ascent.

    Herndon, first, has progressed well in camp, wide receivers coach Fred Graves praising the ex-Arkansas Razorback as one not to repeat the same mistake. Third-team quarterback Brad Sorensen said that he likes the 6-foot, 194-pound receiver's strong hands and physicality.

    "He wins most of the time," Sorensen said. "That's what you want as a quarterback, a guy you can trust. If you're going to go to him on a one-on-one route, you want to know he can match up and come down with the ball for you."

    There is another factor.

    Tevin Reese, a speedy seventh-round pick from Baylor, has faded after his fast start in training camp. His route-running ability is raw, the transition from a spread style of college offense proving a challenge. He currently appears on the outside looking in for a 53-man roster spot.

    Herndon, 22, will make the occasional mistake. A near fumble and pass interference call were among the corrections from last week's exhibition opener. That said, he continues to develop at an encouraging pace.

    "The game's not too big for him," Graves said.

    Here comes a real test.

    Herndon knows to expect a loud environment against the Seahawks. He also anticipates depth in their secondary. This is a roster from which cornerback Ron Parker was waived last year after training camp. Today, Parker starts in Kansas City.

    The Chargers play three exhibition games in 14 days.

    "Just keep working," Herndon said. "Obviously, my hard work is being noticed. Just keep doing what I'm doing."
     
  28. Blue Bolt

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    If Brown can't get health enough to practice, it's a moot point. The coaches need to see him in action, not sitting in the trainers room.
     
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    Sadly, Vincent Brown will never have the same upside potential which he arguably once had prior to breaking his ankle 3 years ago. Quite a few fans in here are also too exited about Tevin Reese and his raw speed. I personally think that he would've been a UDFA and I won't be shocked if he doesn't even make the PS after his poor camp showing!
     
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    Camp breaks soon after the Seahawks games, so Brown has missed all of training camp. Experience is all he has over the other WR's in camp, that's really the only reason to keep him at this point. I figured if he wasn't back by some point this week, he'd be as good as gone. It's seems like an obvious decision at this point, which probably means, he's already made the team.:speechless:
     

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