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video and explanation of Rivers so called fumble that wasn't

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by foober, Oct 16, 2010.

  1. foober

    foober BoltTalker

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    It's really very simple, if the QB's hand didn't hit the ball after the release how did the ball travel so far forward if it wasn't a forward pass? The replay ref blew this one.
     
  3. DenverBolt67

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    Just like the Hochuli play, the Chargers could have put the game away and taken it out of the refs hand, and failed. They have no one to blame but themselves. We didn't run the ball and go for the FG like we should have, the defense allowed the Raider to drive all the way down the field to take the lead in the 4th, and the special teams......well, they were the special teams. This game was a team loss, plain and simple
     
  4. Enormo

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    For arguments sake, the defenders arm could have made contact with Rivers' arm before it was moving forward. The contact could have knocked the ball loose from Rivers' control even though there was still physical contact between his hand and and the ball. The momentum of Rivers' throwing motion then could have continued through the defender's arm moving the ball forward. (Sort of like a reciever not making a catch because he didn't have complete control of the ball when he stepped out of bounds.)

    HOWEVER, this call happened so quickly that there is no way - no ******* way - a ref could have discerned my theoretical sequence happening. You wouldn't even be able to discern this with slow-motion video.

    So, as far as the ref was concerned: Rivers' contact with the ball = Rivers' possession of the ball.

    Therefore, what the ref *should* have been making a decision on was, "If the QB had possession of the ball until it came free from his hand, then why did the ball move forward 4 yards?" (And "magic" is not a good answer)

    Unfortunately, the speed of the sequence made a difficult read on the replay teleprompter. And since the call on the field was a fumble, there it stayed.

    What the ref blew was the initial call, not the replay. And he blew the initial call be cause he trusted his gut reaction rather than the evidence of the ball moving forward.
     
  5. Enormo

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    I usually hate these sort of arguments but the Chargers screwed themselves so badly that they didn't deserve to win. If they played well all game then I would probably call BS... but then it would have been a blow out, wouldn't it.
     
  6. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Don't fumble the ball on the 1 yard line Tolbert....
     
  7. boltssbbound

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    All of these "deserve to win" arguments are really beside the point. The officials blew this call, a call that could have very possibly affected the outcome of the game. All the talk about what mistakes the Chargers made to put themselves in a position to need points on the last drive don't really belong in this discussion. If the official blew the call, he blew the call.

    The irony is that the reason the refs let the play go and didn't rule it an incomplete pass to begin with is the Hochuli play. After Hochuli blew that call, the league office told officials that, unless it is clearly an incomplete pass, let the play continue, because you can always reverse it on replay. My guess is that if it would have been called incomplete on the field, the video evidence would not have been enough to overturn the call.
     
  8. lgregg

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    Think the refs call was wrong but along the same lines Rivers or a Charger player, Rivers was closest, should have either tried to get the ball or when saw the raider had it and was on the ground touched the player so he couldn't have run it back. His job is to protect the ball also not stand there waiting for the ref to blow the ball dead. If he had reacted instead of standing there like an idiot until the guy got up then they wouldn't have run back for TD like they did.

    I like Rivers but he totally fell down on the job with that play not trying or touching the person while he was down.
     
  9. boltssbbound

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    Rivers was not the closest player. It was one of the TEs, either Wilson or McMichael. He nearly recovered the ball but couldn't corral it. As for touching the player down, that would have ended the game. The only reason the Chargers still had a chance after that play is that the Raiders scored a TD, putting them up by 8 points and giving the Chargers the ball back. If the player had been tackled or touched down, the Raiders could have run out the clock. The player who recovered the ball should have just stayed on the ground. The game would have been over.
     
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    It was McMichael, and he could have easily fallen on it rather than trying to pick it up and run with it. The dude blew it
     
  11. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    It doesn't matter any longer, you can't un-ring the bell and you sure as hell can't un-shoot the gun.
     
  12. CoronaDoug

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    Just blame it on our ST for placing us in the hole.
     
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    I didn't think he was trying to run with it. I just thought it got away from him. I'll have to watch the replay again.
     
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    He tried to pick it up rather than falling on it

     
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    How many times have we seen this happen in the NFL? JUST FALL ON IT!!!!
     
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    I know. It is fundamentals.
     
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    He might not have used the right technique, but I don't think he was trying to run with it. McMichael was running towards the ball when a Raider and Charger both dove towards the ball and knocked right at McMichael's feet. Just before the Raider player picks it up, McMichael goes to his knees and tries to collect it, but the Raiders player picked it up first.

    If he did try and run with it, It would have been especially stupid, because, thanks to the Holy Roller, the only offensive player that can advance a fumble in the final two minutes of the half or the game is the player that fumbled it.
     

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