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Week 4, AFC West, Are the Chiefs ‘Real’?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Sep 28, 2010.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    It is a new season and the year has not started out as the fans of the San Diego Charger and the Kansas City Chief had expected. In a role reversal of late the Chiefs sit atop the AFC West with a record of 3-0, while all the other teams in the division are at 1-2.

    The AFC West is considered by many to be a soft division. Many nay sayers of the Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs, or Raiders will tell you the division is weak and that is why the teams win… I don’t know about that.

    Take for instance the division currently boasts the top team in Offense (San Diego), Passing Offense (Denver) and Rushing Offense (Kansas City). Not sure if that fits the ‘soft’ criteria many place on the AFC West, but it does speak to a renewed level of competition within the division. None of the teams in the AFC West rank lower than 10 in over all offense. That in itself speaks to a division where games can swing either way.

    All this does beg the question, are the Kansas City Chiefs for real? The answer is Yes, and No.

    That is wishy washy of me you might correctly point out, but if you break down the team you will see there is reason to have confidence in the Chiefs, and there is reason to have concern.

    First and foremost let me point out that the Chiefs Chief, Head Coach Todd Haley has done a very good job of getting the locker room to buy into his system. That is a very important factor for any young team. He has removed players who did not fit, or buy into the program and got young players who are eager to be part of the new look Kansas City Chiefs.

    Haley, who was labeled a control freak, and dictator last season, after firing his offensive coordinator Chan Gailey just thirteen days before the start of the 2009 season, brought in two coordinators in the off season both with a New England Patriots background.

    The Chiefs hired former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis as offensive coordinator. Weis, who was offensive coordinator for New England's Super Bowl teams, Weis and Haley are longtime friends going back to the time when they shared an office as assistant coaches for the New York Jets. They also added former Cleveland Browns head Coach Romeo Crennel.

    Not sure if it is due to the transplant of the Patriots staff, but there is an immediate effect, the Chiefs Defense, which was not very good last season, is vastly improved. They currently rank 13th in the league in over all defense, but more importantly they have allowed their offense to be able to win the game.

    Another improvement is the Chiefs team speed. This is a young, fast team. As the Chargers found out, the Chiefs can score on special teams when Dexter McCluster took a punt and returned it for the deciding score in the first game.

    The Chiefs also have a very good running game. It currently ranks first in the league. The Chiefs offensive line is currently ranked second. They are opening holes for Thomas Jones who has a 4.2 yard per carry average through the first three games. Possibly even more impressive is Jamaal Charles who has a 7 yard per carry average. Their running game is working and allowing the Chiefs to control the clock thus far in a very young season.

    On paper, the Chiefs only have four or five ‘tough’ games coming up. However, they will be facing divisional rivals 5 more times, and divisional games are always tough.

    Well that is why Chiefs fans should be confident, but there are definite reasons for concern as well.

    Bye bye, bye week: The Chiefs are heading into the bye week, which will make the remainder of their season long.

    Tough games ahead: They have Indianapolis and Houston coming up in back to back weeks. They still have Tennessee and San Diego on their schedule as well. They still face five divisional games, and everyone knows that there is never a ‘sure win’ divisional game. These games, starting with the Colts and Texans will be a litmus test for this team.

    Early opponents may make the Chiefs ‘paper tigers’: So far the teams the Chiefs have faced have a combined record on 1-8. With the exception of San Diego, who they faced opening week, the Chiefs have not faced a Defense or Offense that is in the top 3rd of the league; Cleveland ranks 16th defensively and 19th offensively, while San Francisco ranks 17th and 20th respectively.

    The Colts, whom the Chiefs face after their bye week, rank 3rd overall offensively, thought the Chiefs will have two weeks to get ready for them; it will be no easy task to beat the Colts, especially at home. The following week they face the Texans, also at home who are the current 4th in the league offensively. This will be a major challenge for the team.

    Depth: They are not very deep on their offensive line, and this could hurt them in the long haul with their bye week in week four. So far they have managed to avoid any major injuries but their Offensive Tackle Ryan O’Callaghan has not bee able to play any games this season with a groin injury.

    So bottom line, are the Chiefs for real. Yes. They are a vastly improved team. Are they destined to win the AFC West? No, they could but it is an uphill battle for them, even at 3-0.

    There would have to be a lot of lucky bounces go their way for them to continue to enjoy the success they are currently. I believe they are headed in the right direction. Their Quarterback Matt Cassel is a game manager. Not a top tier passer but a QB that can win games with the right supporting cast. They are fast but as teams get more tape on them, they will find it harder to win the games. This s due in part to the fact that no team will over look them and they will know they have

    Chargers:
    The Chargers have started off in the same way they have for six out of the last eight seasons. Yes, I said eight seasons. Sorry Norv haters, the dreaded ‘slow start’ is not something new that can be hung around the neck of Head Coach Norv Turner.

    The Chargers have suffered ‘slow starts’ in the following: 2003; 0-3, 2004; 1-2, 2005; 2-1, 2006; 0-3, 2007; 1-2, 2008; 1-2, 2009; 2-1, 2010; 1-2. As you see only twice in those 8 years did the team have a winning record going into week four. During that time the Chargers have won the Division five times, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009. It can be maddening for the fan of the San Diego Chargers, but you can never count this team out. Love him or hate him, Head Coach Turner has gotten this team into the playoffs, and won the division each year he has been head coach.

    But to that point I would suggest that you can’t judge the product on the field as of yet. Are there reasons for concern? Yep, sure are…

    Strength of Opposition: The Chargers thus far have not faces a team other than Kansas City with an offense or defense in the top half of the league; Kansas City, 13th ranked defense, 17th ranked offense (#1 running attack). Jacksonville, 29th ranked defense, 30th ranked offense. Seattle, 28th ranked defense, 29th ranked offense. Not a pretty picture right there. But as some fans will point out stats, especially in the third week of the season rarely tell the whole truth of the matter.

    Schedule Challenges: The Chargers have some tough games coming up, they have just dropped two games in the ‘easy’ portion of their schedule. On the horizon is New England in week seven, Tennessee and Houston in weeks eight and nine respectively, at Indianapolis in week twelve (after the bye in week ten), and at Cincinnati in week 16.

    Road Warrior Woes: Two road games, two losses. Yes they were before hostile and very vocal crowds, but is there going to be a quiet home crowd? The Chargers will have to overcome their travel troubles to be able to make a run for the division or the playoffs later in the year.

    Special Teams and dissention within the ranks: Special teams have been anything but special this year. The troubles on this unit have been documented to death, and can be summed up as “three scores given up in three games”. This week however new Chargers Wide Receiver Patrick Crayton came out and blasted the special teams coach Steve Crosby saying the players do not respect him. Chargers quickly put a lid on that and are trying to prevent this from turning into a division in the locker room.

    There are reasons to be confident. As hard as that may be for the collective fan base who have their hands hovering over the panic button…

    Slow Starts: We all know that the Chargers take time to get up to speed. This season should be no different. The Offense and Defense are arguably playing better at this point than they have in years past. There is no reason to think that the Chargers cannot make another mid and late season run.

    Defense: Can you say ‘awesome’? The Chargers defense is playing at a mid season level at this juncture. Through three games they have already produced eight turnovers and a safety. Defensive Coordinator Ron Rivera is implementing a package that combines different looks, secondary blitzes and linebacker drops into coverage. They have given up an average of thirteen points a game.

    “You Cant Run!’ a favored chant amongst the Chargers faithful is back. The Chargers defense is giving up less than 100 yards rushing a game and only 3.9 yards per attempt. This includes the Chiefs who are the current number one ranked rushing team in the league.

    Offense: The Chargers boast the second passing attack in the league, and the top overall offense. The offense, though suffering from some early hiccups has played well thus far. Quarterback Philip Rivers is completing passes and moving the chains. Tight End Antonio Gates continues to get open down field, and Malcom Floyd and Legedu Naanee are making the drive continuing catches.

    The running game has not really gotten on track yet. Rookie Running Back Ryan Matthews was injured in week two and did not play in week three. When he returns he could spark the running attack. In his place Mike Tolbert has done an admirable job. He is a big bodied runner who can give a pounding to the defenders who have to stop him. He and Matthews will be a good combination for the Chargers.

    Schedule: Many comment about how ‘soft’ the AFC West is. This season though indications would be that it is not quite as soft in years past. The Chiefs, Broncos and Raiders are all improved thus far from last year. The Chargers however face three of their five toughest teams at home this season. They also have five remaining games against divisional rivals including a rematch with Kansas City at home in week fourteen.

    Can the Chargers win the AFC West. Yes. History is on their side, you can’t count San Diego out. They have the deepest pool of talent in the division and many still feel this is San Diego’s division to lose. I am one of those who think that way.

    Broncos:
    The Denver Broncos have been playing better than many expected. They were hit hard by the injury bug in training camp, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Injuries have not been the only distractions the Broncos have suffered. The team lost Wide Receiver Kenny McKinley who was found dead in his Denver home of a gun shot wound.

    Denver has lost to Indianapolis at home and Jacksonville on the road so far this season. They did get a home victory over Seattle when they exploded offensively for 31 points.

    They have a series of very tough games coming up including at Tennessee, at Baltimore, New York jets, at San Diego, Houston, and then they close out the season at home against San Diego again.

    The Broncos are not a push over team by any means, but they fall behind San Diego and Kansas City in the division. The Broncos do currently have the top passing offense in the league and the 2nd overall offense behind San Diego.

    Defensively there is a drop off as they rank 18th over all, 23rd against the pass and 10th against the run.

    Denver has perhaps the toughest schedule in the division and they are heading into the teeth of the schedule. They have arguably the steepest hill to climb to win the division. Injuries and lack of offensive line depth makes that climb even harder.

    Can the Broncos win the West? No.

    Kyle Orton has arguably been the best player on this team. That is a good thing as he is the Quarterback. It is not such a good thing when the team has to rely on him so heavily. He is another game manager, and without a healthy skilled supporting cast they will not win the AFC West. Poor rushing output, and lack of protection from the offensive line put Denver in a position to finish third in the division.

    Raiders:
    The Raider have already benched their starting Quarterback. That happened at halftime in their second game. Quarterback Jason Campbell was not replaced due to injury, he was replaced in hopes that now starting signal caller Bruce Gradkowski could provide a lift.

    The Raiders won the game against St. Louis, but dropped a close one to Arizona, and got blown out in Tennessee. However, statistically the Raiders have accounted well for themselves so far in this young season.

    Offensively they have the 10th overall offense in the league. They have the 4th rated rushing and 19th rated passing attack.

    However they have a bear of a schedule with games coming up against Houston, San Diego, at Denver, at Pittsburgh, Miami, at San Diego, Indianapolis and they close out the season in Kansas City. Not a cushy schedule at all.

    Oakland has had the injury bug hit its defense. They get a bye week in week ten, but have a long stretch of tough, physical games between here and there.

    Can Oakland win the Division? No.

    Their offensive line is not providing enough protection to keep them in the hunt for the division. They currently rank 30th in the league and have given up an average of 3 sacks per game thus far. Further the Oakland QBs have been hit 15 times. That is a lot of punishment for the passer to absorb. Injuries on the Defense will prove fatal as they head into the toughest part of their schedule.
     
  2. CoronaDoug

    CoronaDoug Well-Known Member

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    With their schedule they could be a 10 win team.

    4 Bye
    5 Oct 10 KC @ IND
    6 Oct 17 KC @ HOU
    7 Oct 24 JAC @ KC Arrowhead Stadium
    8 Oct 31 BUF @ KC Arrowhead Stadium
    9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK Oakland Coliseum
    10 Nov 14 KC @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High
    11 Nov 21 ARI @ KC
    12 Nov 28 KC @ SEA Qwest Field 4:05 PM
    13 Dec 05 DEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium
    14 Dec 12 KC @ SD Qualcomm Stadium
    15 Dec 19 KC @ STL Edward Jones Dome
    16 Dec 26 TEN @ KC Arrowhead Stadium
    17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC Arrowhead Stadium
     
  3. LightEmUp

    LightEmUp Banned Banned

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    You write for the site? I wasnt aware of that.

    Nice article. :)
     
  4. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    No doubt they could be. They are possibly the most improved team in the divison. They are the team I slated to be second in the divison early on. I think 9 or 10 wins is where they will end up.

    I expect 11 or 12 from the bolts.
     
  5. wrbanwal

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    no doubt they are the most improved. Especially with Denver's injuries and Oakland, well, they're Oakland.

    It's amazing that Charlie Wies couldn't get it done at ND. I guess he's just not HC material. huh, sounds painfully familiar.

    Nice write up Conc.
     
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    Just fitting in round hur. This is what your supposed to do if you dont agree right? I love this game. I have tons of pics to post!
     
  7. Enormo

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    No, no. Don't worry. I've got it covered for you:

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  8. Ride The Lightning

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    Your desperate cries for attention are touching, really.

    :lol:

    Yes, the Chiefs are definitely for real. They have drafted well the past few years so this is no surprise they have finally seemed to put it all together.
     
  9. ThunderHorse17

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    It was a great read. My only BIG gripe well not that big *im not by any means a grammer/spelling Nazi* is the first sentence...


     
  10. LaDeezie21

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    I think the real question is, Are the Chargers for real?
     
  11. 65TossPowerTrap

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    I will preface this with the disclosure that I am a long time Chiefs fan (but one that has always liked the Bolts as well). Are the Chiefs for real? Yes. We are a team that is building into something that COULD be great but which is trying this year simply to be "good" in the process.

    Are we a Superbowl contender? Unlikely (who can say anything for sure after 3 weeks).

    Are we a playoff team? I would say at this point, far more likely than not - for several reasons.

    First, we have built a nice cushion in beating the Chargers (our biggest threat in the division) and getting a quick start while the rest of the division is struggling. Yes I know there is a lot of football to be played, but on pure statistics, it's better to be 3-0 with a 2 game lead than to be looking up at a team that already has a Tie breaker against you.

    Second, the scheduling gods were finally good to us, and, it would appear, that we have one of the (if not THE) easiest remaining schedules left. Yes, we play the Colts and the Texans away in our next two games, and those could very well both be losses, but even so, the schedule after that looks VERY soft. Even if we end up 3-2 by week 6, I still like our chances.

    Third, we are a VERY young team winning with 6 phenomenal rookies and several high round 2nd and 3rd year players who once seemed to be busts who are now playing well. We also had a stellar draft class. Six of our seven rookies are contributing at HIGH levels. First round draft pick (5th overall) safety Eric Berry has seemingly stopped biting on play action and is a force in pass coverage and run support. Surprisingly, our 5th round pick, Safety Kendrick Lewis is also starting and playing at a high level. Dexter McCluster is already an explosive weapon on offense and special teams and corner back Javier Arenas while even a better return man than McCluster is also excelling as a starting nickle DB. Rookie OLineman Jon Asomoah, despite being picked as a project, has already played quite a bit and in the hallmark of a good offensive linemen, no one has noticed lol. Finally, Tony Moeaki has become a go-to pass catching tight end while excelling as a blocker from any formation. The only rookie not to contribute thus far has been Linebacker Cameron Sheffield and that is because he is on IR. With so many young players, a slow start was expected. This team SHOULD get better, not worse as the year progresses.

    Fourth, Offensive Coordinators. Romeo Crenell has got the Defense playing stellar football with the addition of only one player (rookie Eric Berry). Romeo has these guys fired up, but they are also highly disciplined. Corners Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers are flourishing under his guidance with Flowers appearing to be one of the few true lockdown corners in the game (also a beast in run stopping). Much maligned and chronically underacheiving linebacker Derrick Johnson who was a backup last year now seems to have bought in and is playing at a probowl-type level and the Defensive line is the most improved in football. It is nothing short of amazing what Crenell has been able to do early on. On offense, we have struggled, but Weiss finally let loose on Sunday, and we see what can happen when he uses his creativity to get our stable of playmakers in open space. McCluster and Charles are matchup nightmares for anyone and Tight End Tony Moeaki looks like a true weapon.

    Fifth, head coaching. While not the most personable guy, Head Coach Todd Haley is a Bill Parcells type coach (Bill is actually GM Scott Pioli's father in law) whose no nonsense style ran a few of our veteran players off and caused concerns among fans. But his system seems to be working and amazingly, every single player on or 53 man roster save backup QB Brodie Croyle has had playing time in only 3 games this year. He is getting the best out of his staff and players.

    Sixth, Special Teams. You all are chargers fans. You know what I mean. We can't rely on returns every week, but the thing about the chiefs is, we have a very reliable kicker (2008's Mr. Irrelevant Ryan Succup) who routinely kicks kickoffs 5 yard deep in the end zone, and we have the best punt and kickoff coverage teams in the NFL (part of Haley's 53 man participation is that he stresses the critical importance of special teams standouts every bit as much as offensive and defensive starters). When a game comes down to special teams (as so many close games do), we generally have the edge.

    Seventh, Running attack. Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones. While the controvery in KC is about the fact that Jones gets the majority of the carries despite Charles' league leading yards per carry average and ability to take it to the house from any field position, Thomas Jones is solid and reliable and never fumbles, all with a respectable yards per carry average and the ability to grind out short yardage and consistently block in the bassing game. Third string running back Jackie Battle, I predict will be a star RB in the league eventually as he is almost a perfect mix of Charles and Jones.

    And finally, we are VASTLY improved in the trenches. Both O and D lines have had a huge step up in performance with out much change in personell. Previous first round draft picks like Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey, thought to be busts last year, are playing at high levels. With huge Ron Edwards and surprising veteran Shaun "The Crank Yanker" Smith sharing time, the three down linemen of Crenell's defense are not only nearly immovable forces in the running game, they are, for the first time ever, developing a pass rush on their own. We are basically clogging the line with three nose tackles. On the offensive side of the ball, Cassel has been sacked 4 times total this year and despite injuries, the line is playing well as a unit in pass and run blocking.

    For all of these reasons, I see a playoff team.

    Now, of course, there are clear weaknesses on this team. Our QB is a game manager at BEST. Because of that, we will win most of our games ugly, and if he starts throwing picks, we will lose ugly. When it comes down to the end of the game and we need a quick score, I don't believe Cassel is the type to put a team on his shoulders and win.

    Also, one of our strengths (youth) will also be a weakness. We are winning with rookies now, but we will lose with them too. Because they are rookies they will make mistakes (Like Eric Berry covering a short Gates route after a play action fake while letting Legadu Nanee slip behind him wide open for 6). Because of the explosiveness of our rookies I think we will win some games we would generally lose (maybe even the Colts), but also lose some games we should win (I could see us dropping a game to a team like Jacksonville).

    All in all, I would say we are probably a 10-6 team which will likely be enough to win the West this year, but a long payoff run is not in the cards this year without a little magic.

    The future, however, looks VERY good for this team.

    Everything's up to date in Kansas City.
     
  12. Concudan

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    Excellent responce 65TPT! Welcome to the forum.

    So do you feel that the Chargers cannot over take the Chiefs? I think the Chiefs are a 9 or 10 win team, so we are in agreement there. I however still feel the Chargers are a 11-13 win team, time will tell on that one.

    One fact all fans of AFC west teams can be proud of. There is not a team in the division that ranks lower than 10 in total offense. #1 offense, Chargers, #1 passing, Broncows, #1 rushings Chiefs...

    It is not a 'weak' division through week 3, but we need to see what it is like in November when the elements start to come into play.
     
  13. 65TossPowerTrap

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    Unfortunately Concudan, I don't see the Chargers as more than a 9-7 team at this point looking at their remaining schedule. With their injury problems mounting, that may actually be a stretch. Of course a lot can change (and usually does in the NFL).

    Having to play the Patriots and Colts hurts, in addition to the Texans and who knows what the Bengals will be.

    I understand that the Chargers are traditionally slow starters, but the biggest problem I see is that the window of opportunity for this team SEEMS to be closing rather than opening.

    The Chargers have the look of the Chiefs circa 2005-6 where we got old fast and soon after were in rebuilding mode after having one of he most explosive offenses ever seen (and absolutely no defense lol).

    I hope that the Bolts can transition through that time better and more smoothly than the chiefs, but I'm afraid A.J. Smith fills me with no more confidence than our own former despot and Mayor of Mediocrity, "King Karl" did.

    My hope is that the Chiefs and Chargers can slug it out as two of the elite teams of the next decade and that the rivalry will grow with both teams' success. I like the rivalry we have with Oakland for historic reasons...and wouldn't mind seeing them have slightly more success (except playing us lol), but personally, I still hope Denver loses every single game it ever plays (save a game that would get either the Chiefs or Chargers into the playoffs lol) from here until perpetuity.
     
  14. 65TossPowerTrap

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    On an unrelated note - love the gaslamp district and PETCO park, but when are the Chargers going to get a new stadium? (Preferably down town).

    I want to see Chargers fans start getting as amped in a new stadium as Chiefs fans are in the "New" Arrowhead.

    Just a little taste of what it was like on Monday Night Football against the Chargers (before the Monsoon!):



    I will agree that any team would have found that particular night to be VERY tough.
     
  15. 65TossPowerTrap

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    And after the monsoon ;) :

     
  16. ThunderHorse17

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    No knock or anything maybe its different for different KC fans. Im sure my friend a KC lifetime fan would agree with everything you said. Also very well put out you got alot of ammo for your argument. Hell before the season started I was saying KC would be 2nd in the div with tops a 9-7 record. Also I have been predicting OAKs gradual improvement for years or games per year. They could go 7-9 or even 500. Anyway im derailing myself from my point with my friend and your assesment.

    You forgot Andy STUDebaker *as my friend calls him* Havent heard him say much about him this year, maybe he hasnt done as much but last year all I could ever hear about the Cheifs on game day was THATS MY BOY on any big Studebaker play. Also dyk Andy is from the family that created the Studebaker car... I KNO.

    Also congrats on all your rookies playing already and doin pretty well. BUT im still not as sold about Berry jus yet as I once was when he was the talk of Best Defensive player in the draft. I think so far hes had 1 goodgame and 2 with miscues/errs on coverage with the CBs. So 1 of 3 games hes done what hes supposed to, im not sold on him taking the next step so fast. A few more games and he could be back in consideration for DROY.
     
  17. 65TossPowerTrap

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    I agree that Berry has had some big mistakes so far, but that goes back to my point that playing with rookies in such important roles means you will have big mistakes. We will win some unlikely games and lose some winnable games because of a lack of experience. I think Berry has already shown that he has all the physical tools to be a dominant safety. It will take some time before he is experienced enough to react to the wrinkles experienced players and coaches throw against him. In his first game ever, he was matched man to man way too much with Antonio Gates, who frankly took him to the woodshed (as expected). Luckily, unlike in years past, our DC adjusted and began double and triple teaming Gates (as was best illustrated in the last play of that game).

    As for Studebaker, he is a fan favorite here to be sure because on his first start ever he intercepted Ben Roethlisberger twice, once for six, but the fact is, he is not even a starting linebacker at this point in the 3-4 defense (Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams, Mike Vrabel and Javon Belcher are all ahead of him). He is listed behind Vrabel on the depth chart and, I believe, is learning a lot from our best player coach. Studebaker has made some big plays in his short career, and has a real nose for the ball. He also has a natural leadership that players seem to respond to. Vrabel can only go for a year or two more. I see Studebaker taking over for him more and more this year and next. The thing about a Romeo Crennel defense is that regardless of depth charts, everyone contributes.
     
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    I must say since you brought it up. Damn that last player where it was clear Gates was triple covered, being there it still is pretty well engraved in after I get home and online to find all the talk about Gates being tripled all game.. He prob had a decent amount of double coverage drawn toward him, but that last play he saw go his way he was smothered in red.

    On Crennel, I liked him with Cleveland and DA. I still remember the day I was first a DA fan. I had my bet on Cleve over KC, and KC was leading most the game. Then not sure the details *maybe it was on RZ channel* late in the game qb1 goes out, and in comed Anderson. Dont remember how much he played/drove to a game winning score but I do remember the sideline scramble on the edge gettin hit after hit and stayin in bounds all the way to the 1st down marker. No Bash, but you brougt up Crennel and your a cheif fan so I went to the fuzziest memory I have of Romeo and KC. Course now it is realy hard to ever bet on DA to win. ;/

    You really are lucky BB has managed to setup a NE 2.0 square in the division with one of his recent competitors in the postseason. KCs surprise quick resurgence doesnt surprise me with the Coaches they have at the helm now. Im still not sold Haley is who we think he is. And I dont see KC going as far as they could this year or the next if Cassel remains the qb. KC and SD for years that I have been watching both have had alot of similarity that have been consistent over the years. Like player personel at kicker. Other than the struggle to replace Tynes and the nice find in Succop as a rookie, your kickers have been as good as you can hope for. Especialy on punting. Oh also as a semi fan of TB b/c mainly of fanship for Josh Freeman it has become more clear than ever to me how much a crappy punter makes a team suck. Not jus TB but bout half the leauge have punters who only on their best punt get a 40+ avg.
     
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    Good article Conc, but I didn't think Crayton blasted the coach, just the unidentified players who...

    "are not taking him seriously when he tells you to do it, but dang it, the technique on a kickoff return ... The dude has been in this league for about 100 years. He’s been around for a while for a reason. So you’ve got to take this stuff seriously. It’s not a sense of entitlement. It’s a privilege to put on the uniform every day. Some guys have got to straighten up.”

    Norv may have not liked Crayton publicly calling out players and prefers to keep it in-house, but I don't see any "dissension within the ranks" or blasting of coach Crosby (except on these boards). Did you see something I missed in Crayton's comments?
     
  20. Concudan

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    I absolutely do. In my opinion it does not support Crosby to say "He has been in the league for like 100 years" or say that "They don't respect him". To say the respect part to me was the blast. If a coach cant get his players to respect him, then the Coach is having a fundamental problem. Further one player, especially a new player to the team calling out a group of other players is divisive at best in the locker room. It leads to ill will and breaks down the 'team' mentality. I don't see Craytons comments as helpful to the team. Maybe that is how they do it in Dallas, but Patrick aint in Dallas no more...

    If it is your opinion that Patrick was supportive of Crosby with his comments, I am ok with it, but I obviously didn't see things the way you did with the initial read of the article.
     
  21. CoronaDoug

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    I am not sure who the comments were directed at but I am glad that he made the comments. I am leaning towards the comments be directed toward the players. Basically he was saying that Crosby has been doing this a long time and the players need to listen to (respect) him and what he has to say.
    Crayton has a fresh set of eyes that came in from another organization. The majority of our players are "home grown" so they only know how the Chargers do things. There could be some issues that could only be detected by someone who has seen how things were done elsewhere. Crayton could have a valid point but it may be dismissed because he is "the new guy".
     
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    The Chiefs are nothing more than the 2010 version of the 2009 Broncos. Reality will set in an they will once again fail to have a winning record when the season is over
     
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    I hope you are right but what I worry about is if Matt Castle starts playing like NE Matt Castle.
     
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    I can respect that. I felt better when Jammer said something. Crayton has the 'new guy' feel to him.
     
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    Matt Cassell in KC doesn't have Randy Moss and Wes Welker to bail him out like he did in KC
     
  26. Concudan

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    He does not need Moss and Welker. Dont get fooled. Cassell is a good game managing QB. Give him the right supporting cast and he will keep them in games. Their D is very improved and faster over last season. Team speed was their biggest improvement IMO. This team can win with Cassell, not because, but with.
     
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    Same type things were said about the Broncos last year when they had a top defense the 1st few weeks. Eventually their lack of talent caught up to the, same will happen to the Chiefs.

    By the way, if I am wrong, and the Chiefs do keep it up, and IF we miss the playoffs, what excuses will be used to stick up for our terrible coach?
     
  28. 65TossPowerTrap

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    This argument is the feeble last straw that many Charger (and almost all Denver) fans cling to - "Remember the 6-0 Broncos!" But it really doesn't make any sense. The two teams are totally different (and also have completely different schedules).

    Even if Haley was as bad of a coach as McDaniels, if the Chiefs lose to Indy, Houston, and San Diego and lose both games to both Denver and Oakland, that's only 7 losses. They'd still have to lose to the Bills, Jags, Cards, Seahawks, Titans, or Rams to finish without a winning record.

    Could that happen? Sure it could.

    Is it likely? I don't think so.

    More likely to me is that we lose to the Colts, Bolts and Texans, Split with Denver and maybe even Oakland and then drop 1-2 of the games against the remaining patsies on the schedule for a total of 5-7 losses.

    9-7 could be enough to win this division, but if we are on that track by week 14, the KC v SD matchup will be crucial, but if we're only at 4-5 losses by that point, that game will likely be meaningless, because I don't see another 11-5 team in the division.
     
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    All they have to do is play well enough not to lose. Jamal Charles is a good back. If they can run him and keep up a halfway decent defense then they will win some games that they shouldn't.
     
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    Yeah, they play the games for a reason, and anything can happen, but I'd say the 3-0 start, while not at all indicative of the Chiefs being an "elite" team yet, has really put them in a good spot. We'd have to lose ALL the games that most people assume we will lose as well as several of the games we should win.

    It's happened before, the perfect storm of ineptitude (see the 2009 Denver Broncos), but I think counting on that to be the rule rather than the exception is a little optimistic/pessimistic (depending on what side of the divisional fence you are on.
     

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