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What makes a Championship Franchise?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    I keep wondering what it is that makes a 49'ers (Montana/Young era), a Patriots (Belicheat era) or a Steelers (70' and 2000s') franchises so successful. Is it just the players?

    I remember speaking with a retired football player who played for the Chargers and Browns. This was on a flight so he was kind of trapped next to me. He said that the Browns were the better organization, when you join the Browns (per his experience, wish I could remember his name) you were family. They did reunions, and paid the players way to come out. He said with the Chargers they did reunions as well ever now and again, but it was up to the players to pay for it.

    Now clearly pampering players past and present does not make a team a championship team. You need players. One could argue that it is the QB who creates the franchise, thus the term 'Franchise QB' but I think Manning, (Peyton, not Eli or their Paa) shows that they might get you there but you need a supporting cast.

    Is it the Coaches, the GMs, luck?

    I wish I could put my finger on it, so I would like to ask you all what you think the most important things are to building a Championship Franchise?

    Thanks
     
  2. JohnnyX

    JohnnyX 2017 Chargers Head Coach

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    Well for one thing, the ones you mentioned weren't only championship level teams. They were probably the best teams in history. You don't follow the outliers for success, you follow the avg like Giants, Bucs, Saints etc. You win a championship by continuing to built on talent and cutting losess. I know it's difficult to see, but we actually have the step up on possibly winning a championship precisely because we have Rivers and Great QB's make you title hopes alot more realistic. I think we are in good hands with Tom Telesco, imo he looks to build the best possible Charger team.
     
  3. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    The big 4 IMO...

    1. Competent GM - College scouting and cap management.
    2. Strong HC - Mainly from the talent development and leadership perspective.
    3. Franchise QB - Self explanatory.
    4. Innovative play callers - Doesn't matter how much talent you have on the field, if the men calling the plays don't understand the talent they have on the field. A big issue with Norv Turner IMO.
     
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  4. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    William Barron Hilton I.
     
  5. NYCharger

    NYCharger BoltTalker

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    Whatever the Browns are doing I'd recommend the exact opposite.
     
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  6. Joy Division

    Joy Division Slightly-known Member

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    Well, since you asked:

    1. Lightning Storm Offense
    2. Thunderhammer Defense

    p.s., this is all Top Secret stuff,
    so don't bother Googling it.
     
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  7. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    What Mati said.
     
  8. IFiredCHart

    IFiredCHart Well-Known Member

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    Wow, I guess football really does cause head trauma :(.
     
  9. Fossil

    Fossil BoltTalker

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    In terms of team ownership, I like that they've given John Spanos a greater role since he became Executive Vice President of Football Operations in 2013. He's the first and only Spanos family member with any real foundation in the sport. He's young, smart, very well trained, and seems to know football inside and out. If winning a Lombardi has anything to do with the culture of the FO and coaching staff, I trust him to build and maintain it.
     
  10. gonzokrb

    gonzokrb Well-Known Member

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    The best model I can use is Vince Lombardi. Strong on both side of the line, solid running, and a good QB. Control the line of scrimmage and run the ball!
     
  11. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    It starts with ownership and as they say "All is fair in love and war and pro football" It's only cheating if you get caught should be the rule rather than the exception.
     
  12. SuperCharger92

    SuperCharger92 Winners Win

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    Successful organizations start from the top and work their way down to the bottom.

    1. Owner
    2. GM+Front Office
    3. Coaches+Players

    Now, if your fan base is split or very negative about the owner and his intentions with the team, then you won't have a successful, Super Bowl winning organization like the ones you mentioned.
     
  13. NYCharger

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    Meh. Lot of chicken and egg here. The Raiders were a first class championship organization until they weren't.
     
  14. SuperCharger92

    SuperCharger92 Winners Win

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    So..

    Patriots (2001-Present) with Kraft and Belicheck, 49ers (80's-90's) with the Yorks and Walsh, Steelers (70's) with the Rooney's and Noll, Cowboys (90's) with Jones and Johnson/Switzer?
     
  15. NYCharger

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    You realize Jerry Jones is still the Cowboys owner right?

    Everyone will say there is a great owner after the team wins. Then people will hate on Jerry Jones and talk about how you need a great owner to win a championship. Seems kind of absurd no?
     
  16. SuperCharger92

    SuperCharger92 Winners Win

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    Yes? I was just combining the years Ownership/Front Office/Head Coaches were together and won Super Bowls.

    We're talking Championship Dynasties and Franchises here. Ownership, Front Office and the Head Coaching staff have to all be on the same page. I don't think there is one Dynasty or Franchise who've won 1 or more Super Bowls and haven't had a great Owner, Front Office or Head Coach. Just doesn't happen. A successful organization is all 3 of those departments being in sync.
     
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  17. NYCharger

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    I guess I just don't understand how these folks who win championships can go from being great owners, GM's or head coaches to being ****** ones like they sometimes do. The way you're presenting it makes it seem like there is some inherent, immutable quality to the whole thing. But maybe this stuff is much more volatile than I realize and at one point it was agreed before they ever won a championship that Al Davis and Brian Billick were the masters of their sport and then got a lot worse. Who knows.
     
  18. Kwak

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    An offensive line that is NOT ranked 29th out of 32 teams.

    Rivers is a ghod for producing the way he did behind that wall of Swiss cheese.
     
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  19. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    Winning championships.

    There's more than one way to skin a cat. Squabbling about which way is best is fruitless when more than one way works.
     
  20. boltssbbound

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    I'm kind of shocked that you would share such a worthless anecdote. Some random ex-player thinks the Browns are a better organization? The Browns? The last time the Browns won a title my grandparents were in middle school.

    As someone said, winning championships makes a championship franchise. There is not any one philosophy or approach that works. And it's not static. The "best approach" changes all the time. What worked for Bill Walsh or Joe Gibbs in the 80's might not work today. The question is never "what worked last year?" It's "what will work next year?"
     
  21. boltssbbound

    boltssbbound Well-Known Member

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    Billick won because he had one of the best personnel men in modern NFL history stacking his defense with playmakers.
     
  22. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Frankly I am not surprised that you would be shocked at my sharing the anecdote. But then again I just don't care if you think it is worthless or not.

    Sure you can be glib and say 'wining a championship' yada yada yada. But I think everyone understands that it takes more to put W's in the final column than what happens on Sundays. If you fail to understand that, well I will be slightly surprised but not overly so.
     
  23. tittylated

    tittylated bolttalk cheerleader sweet

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    Because when they win there great as soon as they stop winning their s**t it really is that simple
     
  24. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I'd say it's starts with the ownership of the team buying into and letting those who know the game run the show without hindrance. Gene Klink traded away the foundation of a top notch defense and his best chance at winning a Super Bowl. Alex Spanos didn't have a clue of how to run a football team, Deano is learning, although, coming along very slowly into the fold and hopefully the young Spanos clan can bring this club to a world championship.
     

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