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Where might Vincent Jackson end up?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Johnny Lightning, Aug 28, 2010.

  1. Johnny Lightning

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    Where might Vincent Jackson end up?

    August, 27, 2010
    By Bill Williamson
    ESPN

    Earlier this week, Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod -- the agents for San Diego holdout Pro Bowl receiver Vincent Jackson -- said that the Chargers have not given any team other than Seattle permission to talk to Jackson about a contract. According to the agents, the Chargers said there are certain teams they don’t want to send Jackson to. Because of that, Schwartz and Feinsod don’t think San Diego is serious about trading Jackson.

    Friday, the NFL Network reported Jackson said he wants to remain in San Diego but he will hold out for the entire season if he has to.

    Still, the easiest way out of this may be a trade, which I think is still an option. Ultimately, San Diego general manager A.J. Smith may decide to cut his losses and get something for Jackson instead of watching him sit out the entire season.

    Here's a short list of potential trading partners for Jackson.

    Buffalo: The Bills need a playmaker and sending Jackson to Buffalo would teach Jackson a lesson.

    Chicago: There has been interest, but the Bears don’t have any more money to spend.

    Cleveland: The Browns could give Jackson a new deal and the Chargers a good compensation package.

    Minnesota: The Vikings have to be tempted with Sidney Rice out, but they would be reluctant to spend big on Jackson just because it has a temporary issue at receiver.

    Seattle: The Seahawks have talked to Jackson, but, so far, are reluctant to give him what he wants.

    St. Louis: Jackson would be a very nice welcome gift for Sam Bradford.

    Washington: This might be the best fit. Mike Shanahan has longed admired Jackson.
     
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    Vincent Jackson's agent denies report of five-year, $50 million demand

    Posted by Mike Florio on August 28, 2010 12:05 PM ET


    After word broke roughly eight days ago that the Chargers had authorized the Seahawks -- and only the Seahawks -- to negotiate with receiver Vincent Jackson's agents regarding a possible trade for the holdout wideout, a report emerged that Jackson asked Seattle for a five-year, $50 million contract, with $30 million in guaranteed money.

    Most recently, Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune asserted that Jackson's agents, Jonathan Feinsod and Neil Schwartz, had indeed made a demand with those specific contours.

    So we gave Schwartz a chance to respond, since neither Acee nor anyone else apparently has bothered to call the agent and ask the question.

    "There's no truth to the report that we asked for $50 million over five years and $30 million guaranteed," Schwartz told PFT by phone this morning. "We only talked concepts with the Seahawks, and I specifically mentioned players like [Cowboys receiver] Roy Williams, [Bills receiver] Lee Evans, [Falcons receiver] Roddy White, who we represent, [Dolphins receiver] Brandon Marshall, and [Cardinals receiver] Larry Fitzgerald. No numbers were mentioned."

    Those players are at the top of the current receiver market, but only one of them -- Fitzgerald -- makes $10 million per year. And Fitzgerald finagled his contract after his escalator-driven rookie deal backed the Cards into a salary-cap corner in early 2008.

    To be sure, Jackson isn't worth $10 million per year. In our view, he should be targeting a contract like the one signed by Marshall, which pushes the trigger for much of the guaranteed money to 2011, giving Jackson (who'll be suspended three games for two DUI guilty pleas) a season to prove himself to his new team, both on and off the field.

    So what's going on here? As we see it, there are three possibilities: (1) Schwartz isn't telling the truth; (2) the Seahawks misrepresented their communications with Schwartz and Feinsod; or (3) the Chargers are putting out bad information regarding Jackson's demands.

    It's impossible to rule out the first possibility, since we never take anything at face value that coaches or players or agents say. But without Seahawks G.M. John Schneider or coach Pete Carroll on the record to claim that Schwartz demanded five years, $50 million, and $30 million guaranteed, it's hard to conclude that Schwartz isn't being honest.

    As to the second possibility, the Seahawks arguably have (or at least had) an incentive to put some pressure on Jackson to reduce his demands in the hopes of building some momentum toward a trade. But if the Seahawks were to lie about the demands, that wouldn't necessarily set the right mood for getting a new deal done with Jackson.

    As to the third possibility, the Chargers' motivation to paint Jackson as greedy would come from a desire to win the local P.R. battle regarding the basis for his ongoing absence from the team. And to set the stage for a continued squatting on his rights.

    There's one piece of circumstantial evidence that could push the objective observer of this situation toward concluding that the Chargers have, or haven't, put out phony information. If, as Acee recently reported, the Vikings have balked at Jackson's alleged asking price, the manner in which the Vikings acquired knowledge of it would reveal whether it came from the agents, the Seahawks, or the Chargers.

    For his part, Schwartz denies talking to the Vikings about Jackson. "I have no permission to talk to the Vikings," Schwartz said. "It didn't come from me."

    The fact that Acee, who covers the Chargers for a living, has reported that the Vikings passed on Jackson after hearing the demand makes us inclined to conclude, via the application of Occam's Razor (), that Acee learned of the Vikings' interest from the Chargers. This would mean that the Vikings at some point called the Chargers, and that the Vikings asked the Chargers what Jackson wants.

    And if the Chargers are putting out inflated numbers as to Jackson's demand, other teams likely will not seek permission from the Chargers to talk to Jackson. Thus, San Diego will be able to continue to squat on Jackson's rights, with few local media or fans attacking the Chargers for being unreasonable, since after all Jackson supposedly wants $10 million per year.

    By denying the reports that Jackson want's $10 million per year and $30 million guaranteed, Schwartz's message is fairly obvious. Any interested team should call the Chargers and request permission to find out what Jackson really wants.
     
  4. Boltdiehard

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    He's going to the Rams. :yes: :lol:
     
  5. szarmes

    szarmes I am the Walrus

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    He's staying here. AJ will suck it up and pay him along with Marcus McNeill after the average showing in yesterdays game
     
  6. Boltergeist

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    Actually I think exactly the opposite. Dombrowski held up quite well against possibly the most aggressive blitzing team in the league....and our starting WR corps is very solid with Malcolm / Legedu / and Buster in the slot. All 3 actually showed extremely well.....and to top it off, even with VJ in the lineup, none of our WR are the top receiving option...that is still Antonio Gates...and he is superb.

    I don't think we will see VJ or McNeill this year...and we will be better for it in the long run as our other young players are going to get some real world experience that will help. This is how guys like Miles Austin emerge and become stars....they see the ball more. I have every confidence that we are going to have great receiving options and PR will make them into star players.
     
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    Unreal, now even Jackson's demands are nothing more than disinfo propagated by the notorious AJ Smith. How pathetic! I would consider both the Rams and Chargers long shots.
     
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    Yeah, I would take everything that VJ and his agent are saying as gospel truth. It's clear to all that they are the victims here.
     
  10. markrc99

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    Well, it would seem fair to say that most people's opinion has been largely based on what they've read, rather than the actual statements and actions of Vincent Jackson and Neil Schwartz, and the bulk of it has been negative. This is hardly the first pc of known disinformation favoring the position of the Chargers. I knew immediately the report written by Kevin Acne that's referenced above was wholesale garbage! I specifically took issue with his baseless assertion that Minnesota balked at Jackson's demands. Conversely, as I've stated before, I've read an article written by a former NFL executive who has worked with Neil Schwartz and his partner many times. He made known their professionalism, integrity and experience with tough negotiations.
     
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    You did not realize VJ and his agent had a window to shop his wares. Now VJ says he is not allowed to speak to other teams.?

    VJ had his chance(s) if you add the Seahawks and so did his agent.

    Result.

    No takers.

    No one wanted to part with the picks and the cash earlier this year or now.

    Dude needs to play 6 games to get an accured season otherwise, he remains a RFA. Tough titties que no ? :bolt:
     
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    VJ wants 5 years and $49.999999999 million and not $50 million so the agent is not lying. :lol: :yes:
     
  13. CoronaDoug

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    I have asked you the same question on two other threads with no response. Why are you on our boards and what is your affiliation and interest with Vincent Jackson. You came here only to discuss VJ and nothing else. Those are the only threads that you have been on. COME CLEAN! You are obviously not a Charger fan.
     
  14. Trumpet_Man

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    Sick em. :icon_twisted:

    We want answers.

    We expect results.

    Off to a concert at Pala Casino to see the Rolling Stones - Led Zeplin - Van Halen - tribute bands) and I will be back later. :icon_party:
     
  15. bigmike.x.09

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    DUDE HELL YEAH!!!!!!
     
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    Trumpet Man:

    You're exactly right, Neil Schwartz had over two months to shop Jackson and I wasn't aware of any of it. Do you think Michael Lombardi was addressing me personally or some sh!+? A lot of fans weren't aware of that fact, which is why he reported it. But if I understand your implication, disinformation has flowed in both directions. Fair enough, but I would take exception to anything suggesting it has been on an equal par. Further, there's the question that wasn't asked or answered, which is, why didn't they test the market? What have you convinced yourself is the answer? They're idiots?

    You then make the false conclusion that there are no takers. If Schwartz is telling us the truth, there is interest in Jackson and it appears to me that they're more active now than before. If that's correct it would suggest that Smith's leverage is starting to crack. I'm curious, do you actually think having neither Jackson or compensation serves the team's best interest? It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Schwartz and Redskins GM Bruce Allen are really the ones turning Smith's screws.

    Doug:

    I haven't started a single thread in this forum and I suspect I won't. I've made clear, and did so again in this thread, that I want the Chargers to move Jackson to the Redskins. Although, I don't think that's in the best interest of the Chargers. Surely you don't suspect Neil Schwartz has sent someone in here who has told half of you to go fuq yourselves on a regular basis? I know I've engaged in some pissing contests, but I do prefer to talk football. And I have discussed Rivers, Tomlinson, Matthews, McNeill and Malcolm Floyd. I did tape last night's game but haven't finished reviewing it. But my early take is that Rivers needs to improve his placement. Makes the right reads but his placement and sometimes his timing isn't as sharp as it needs to be. Course, it is the preseason.
     
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    The agents are not idiots for the most part. No one wanted to part with a 1st and 3rd for VJ based on his tender earlier this year.

    The Seahawks had access to VJ's agent and the result was no deal was reached.

    The Viking allegedly said no to VJ's asking price. Another NFC team says VJ is worth around 5 years $35 mil with $15 guaranteed. No deal was reached earler this year and the same rings true as we speak.

    There is no hurry to do anything with VJ. None. The Chargers will still win the pathetic AFC West without VJ. VJ alone is not a make or break proposition for this team's success.

    Linemen is what this team needs to win the whole enchilada.
     
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    Exactly what I thought. You happen to use the same name (markrc99) on the Redskins boards. You are a Redskins fan! So coming here bashing our GM will help you get VJ? Do we need to discuss the Redskins owner when it comes to players?
     
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    VJ for Josh Cribbs. Sounds like a plan.
     
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    PS...Great music. Came away $600.00 richer after I hit a 55,000 coin jackpot ($555.00) and a couple of smaller hits on a .02 slot machine. :icon_party: :abq2:
     
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    Trumpet Man:

    As you say, and this is key, no team was going to compensate San Diego for Jackson with high draft picks. Neil Schwartz, the dummy, knew that shopping Jackson at that time was fruitless. On the NFL network Michael Lombardi shaped the circumstance in a manner where Jackson's camp had a viable window to exploit, yet chose to do nothing with it. It worked, I and many other viewers I'm sure, believed Lombardi's "misconception", disputing the notion that Jackson's access to the market had been restricted by AJ Smith. You yourself made point of it. However, Lombardi mentions compensation to the Chargers only in passing and doesn't explain why Schwartz ignored this window. So technically, there was "access" to other teams, but realistically, everything was contingent on the whims of AJ Smith. Given his tendency, it was like a ghost town. I don't know what's going on right now, but I disagree with your view that delaying works to Smith's advantage.

    Doug:

    What is this obsession with my person? I'm not posting on any Redskin board, but even if I were, fuq you okay? If you learn something about me, well, then you'll have it all, is that it? 'Bout time to snap the fuq out of it dumbazz!
     
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    So you claim that you are not posting on Redskins boards and you are a Skins fan? Why do you then post on a board that is not your teams board? You must be a liar or an idiot. Maybe both.
     
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    so now the agent is in the middle of damage control but its too late now! If he is willing to sit the season out, and he is looking for some work, I need my truck washed and waxed and I need the back yard weeds pulled.
     
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    He's the same guy that wanted the skins to get Calvin Johnson :icon_rofl::

    http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-70860.html

     
  25. szarmes

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    My take on the situation:
    VJ is a talented receiver on a team that can still win without him. He's great, but not good enough to deserve a 1st and 3rd round (which was his tender) so that is why no teams traded for him at the end of last season. His contract just ran out so now he needs a new one, and IMO he defintely deserves to be paid (but not $10 million a year). I say he's worth around 5 million a year for around 5-7 years... Along with the fairly high price, the second DUI scared away potential trade partners and what's left is a talented receiver without a contract. In VJ's interview, he said there has been no direct contact with the front office so it seems they weren't trying to make a deal with him. And now that AJ has shopped VJ around with no buyers, he will soon realize nobody else will take him from the Chargers so he will just have to pay him, which is a win-win situation (we still have our #1 guy and he is now committed longterm and happy). Sooner or later VJ will be a Charger with a longterm deal. It's only a matter of time..
     
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    There are some real assh0les here. The website frihost.com is exactly what the name implies, free web space. The catch is that you have to be active in their forums, which I didn't care for at all. So, to comply I posted all kinds of nonsense in order to maintain my account. If searchable, there are other comments just like that one, only with other players names and other slightly reworded BS. But what does any of that have to do with Charger football? Some of you people are really pathetic.

    szarmes:

    I agree with a lot of what you say, 'cept the part about Smith allowing full access to Jackson and there's no interest. That's incorrect.
     
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    :icon_rofl: - The crew likes to know when vermin is rolling through the crib. Show thick skin or you will be eaten alive. Some of these bastids are beyond mere mortals so reverence and humility in the face of greatness is in order.

    Just a tip.
     
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    Believe my when I say I am no holy roller. Just a Charger fan since I was 15, living in Encinitas, spending a lot of time at the beach. My .02 worth regarding Jackson is this:

    I guess as of now there is no real facts as to what VJ is asking for right? We have all heard the 50 mil. with 30 guaranteed. It almost doesn't matter at this point does it? What ever it is, it's too much. I was truly flabbergasted to hear 3.1 mil wasn't enough to play one more season. He is an upper echelon receiver to be sure but not worth more than 5 mil like some of you have already said. No matter what, VJ's off the field antics are well documented and will retard his ability to be a leader, a professional, and to earn the money he wants.

    I have little respect for players that seem to mess up repeatedly for the same things. VJ's off the field problems are a testament to his overall character. Surely this cannot be denied. As a business owner or manager, how do you sign a guy like this long term unless you are able to put in clauses to shield yourself from having to pay full salaries to players who are going to cause inordinate amounts of trouble. I do believe that players can mature but there is no guarantee that they will do so in a positive manner. I get tired of explaining to my kids why pro players are in the news for stuff you are absolutely not supposed to be doing.

    I really do think that if VJ had reported to camp and tried to work out the contract then, he would have been rewarded. Show up and show the ballclub and the fans why we can't live without you. It worked for Tom Brady didn't it.

    Anyways, thanks for the opportunity to post my two cents. Sorry if it isn't technical enough regarding agents and whatnot.

    H
     
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