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Who should be the next Charger HC?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by rickochey, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. rickochey

    rickochey BoltTalker

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    I can understand your questioning of JH but lets compare.

    Norv (4-6)-has ...... JH (9-2) has
    Rivers vs Alex Smith
    Mathews vs Gore
    Gates vs V Davis
    VJ vs Ginn, Crabtree
    Philips vs Willis

    JH has done more with less. JH is the real deal. He has the 'it' factor that is much desired.
     
  2. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Sorry, I dont see less than one season a large enough body of work to do a comparison.
     
  3. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    Rivers is an INT machine this year, so (this year) Alex Smith is better
    Gore is much better than Mathews and is actually on the field more
    Gates is better than Vernon Davis....when he's on the field
    VJ is a quitter, but even with his talent he has the edge
    Willis is better than Phillips

    I won't argue that Norval is better than Harbaugh but you need to find better examples to make your argument.
     
  4. rickochey

    rickochey BoltTalker

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    haha...
    1. Score board
    2 USD... He turned them around
    3. Stanford.
    4. 49ers

    He is the real deal....
     
  5. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    Conc, to your point about the Colts current roster... yeah it doesn't look great. But if you're looking for a body of work it's all there. You can either start with him resurrecting the Bills and grooming John Butler. Or just go right to the drafting of Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf. Then right through to the Colts consecutive playoff appearance streak.

    I'm not saying I want the guy as the next GM, but it would be hard for fans to kick and scream about it if he replaced AJ.
     
  6. rickochey

    rickochey BoltTalker

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    you just answered your own question about JH. He has done more with less.
     
  7. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    How does that answer the question? I just argued that JH has more (limiting to only your examples)
     
  8. rickochey

    rickochey BoltTalker

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    ok,.we might be saying the same thing. I believe that JH is the real deal. He has done more with less. And you?
     
  9. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    I dont see that he has hit on much outside of Manning. He has really good players at one or two other positions but not enough to overcome the loss of Manning. I dont think he is all that. I dont begrudge you or anyone else for appreciating his teams playoff run, but I wonder how much of that is just because of Manning.
     
  10. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    I agree with your conclusion (JH is the real deal)

    I just don't think you're backing it up with a conclusive argument by citing the examples you cited.

    Alex Smith has been playing better than Rivers this year.
    Gates is hardly on the field
    Gore is better than Matthews
    Willis is better than Phillips
    Vincent Jackson should be a much better target than Crabtree/Ginn but some of that is negated by his selfishness
     
  11. rickochey

    rickochey BoltTalker

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    i was trying to point out (the obvious which you already know) how Norv 'the offensive genius forgot to be the coach. I just think that Norv should NOT ever be a HC in the NFL.
     
  12. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    Wait... are we seriously comparing AJ and Polian? Quoting Conc here but I think he and I actually see eye-to-eye on this sort of. AJ and Polian are practically the same guy - and if nothing else they have the exact same philosophies (in terms of drafting, in terms of free agency, it's all the same stuff... Polian even had his own little run-in with a coach over quibbles of who had the bigger personnel wedding tackle just like AJ did... except Polian's run-in was with Marv Levy).

    It's absurd to want AJ out so that the organization can bring in Polian or a Polian-like GM. Utterly absurd.
     
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  13. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    Polian was the guy who gave the induction speech for Levy at the HOF. In that speech Levy actually thanked AJ Smith too.

    How absurd is that?
     
  14. DenverBolt67

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    Uh, yes, that is true
     
  15. DenverBolt67

    DenverBolt67 BoltTalker

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    Do you really look at the Colts and think they have a high level of talent? IMO, the year has pointed out how how they are not really a very talented team, and the few Colts fans I have, feel the same way.
     
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  16. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    ScottandBR Scott and BR

    @chargers fans, in kc for snf, talking to Pgh media types, they think Cowher Power is coming to SD, with his own GM, Stlr exec Omar Kahn
     
  17. DenverBolt67

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    Wow, Fans in KC think the Chargers are hiring Cowher? lol
     
  18. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    Polian and Levy kissed and made up years later. But what I'm saying is that it's absurd for people to want AJ out and Polian in while expecting different results. They're effectively the same GM, everything that people are citing as faults of AJ (and they're legitimate faults I'm not debating that) are the same criticisms people have of Polian.
     
  19. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    Jeff Fisher, we be needin that mustache action.
     
  20. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    Cool. I don't want Polian myself. Just figured it was worth discussion, because I could see Spanos going that way and then spinning it to fans. Gimme Reggie Mckenzie from the Packers and bring some fresh perspective from a storied franchise. Because this one's reached rock bottom.
     
  21. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    There are a number of guys I'd back the play for. Heck, I'd even be fine with bringing Floyd Reese in here in a similar capacity to what Holmgren has in Cleveland or Parcells was sort of given in Miami (it'll never happen, but it could work really well). Reese is just a plain AWESOME scout of talent - he's reckless in terms of contracts but that's a little less of concern given the recent increase in the salary floor with the new CBA. Get a GM that can handle the business end and let Reese hand the personnel ID and acquisition end (heck, we might have even found a job for lil Johnny in that capacity: the business stuff and guarding grandpa's money).
     
  22. charger1993

    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    BILL CLINTON< THE BEST PLAY CALLER EVER
     
  23. rickochey

    rickochey BoltTalker

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    AJ just might not have a backup plan if Norv is let go. When he hired Norv, AJ was walking on cloud 9 as he thinks he outsmarted Butler who let Norv go. I sure hope AJ DOES NOT HIRE ANDY REID he is just as bad.
     
  24. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    AJ did not hire Norv. Dean Spanos did.
     
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    AJ PUSHED hard for Norv to be hired
     
  26. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    How do you know? Were you part of the hiring process?
     
  27. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    I don't have it in me to defend AJ anymore, particularly because I don't buy the misguided belief that this team is "so talented that anybody should win with them" that people like to push when arguing against Norval.

    But I also like to keep my facts straight and the fact is: AJ does not hire and fire the head coach.

    Anything beyond that is pure speculation, as none of us were part of the procedure so we don't truly know how much AJ did or did not push for Norval.
     
  28. ChargerRay

    ChargerRay Producer/Host of BoltTalk Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    You know that Dean hired Norv based on AJ's STRONG recommendation.
     
  29. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    Recommendation =/= hiring
     
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    ...also the reason Marty was fired...AJ's strong F'ing recomendations!
     

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