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Why Isn't Kevin Ellison signed yet

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Johnny Lightning, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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    Sixth-round pick Kevin Ellison remains a holdout, unsigned, though the sides are still working toward a deal expected to be completed soon.

    The picks immediately preceding and following Ellison have signed, essentially for the same amount of total money and signing bonus.


    :popcorn:


    174. Denver (fr. DET) - QB, Tom Brandstater, Fresno State - Signed (4-years, terms undisclosed)
    175. Kansas City - WR, Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State
    176. Atlanta (fr. STL) - LB, Spencer Adkins, Miami - Signed (4-years, $1.869M; $119,050 signing bonus)
    177. Cleveland - CB, Don Carey, Norfolk State - Signed (4-years, terms undisclosed)
    178. Seattle - QB, Mike Teel, Rutgers - Signed (4-years, $1.864M; $114,250 signing bonus)
    179. Cincinnati - CB, Morgan Trent, Michigan - Signed (4-years, $1.862M; $112K signing bonus)
    180. Jacksonville - TE, Zach Miller, Nebraska-Omaha - Signed (4-years, terms undisclosed)
    181. Miami (fr. OAK) - OT, Andrew Gardner, Georgia Tech - Signed (4-years, $1.859M; $109,775 signing bonus)
    182. Green Bay - DE, Jarius Wynn, Georgia - Signed (4-years, $1.858M; $108,730 signing bonus)
    183. Buffalo - CB, Cary Harris, USC - Signed (4-years, $1.856M; $108,650 signing bonus)
    184. San Francisco - TE, Bear Pascoe, Fresno State - Signed (4-years, $1.856M; $106,550 signing bonus)
    185. Baltimore (fr. DEN) - RB, Cedric Peerman, Virginia - Signed (3-years, $1.263M; $78,000 signing bonus)
    186. Washington - LB, Robert Henson, TCU - Signed (4-years, $1.852M; $102,500 signing bonus)
    187. Green Bay (fr. NO) - CB, Brandon Underwood, Cincinnati - Signed (4-years, $1.852M; $102,200 signing bonus)
    188. Houston - CB, Brice McCain, Utah - Signed (4-years, $1.851M; $101,750 signing bonus)
    189. San Diego - S, Kevin Ellison, USC
    190. Chicago - S, Al Afalava, Oregon State - Signed (4-years, $1.85M; $100,600 signing bonus)
    191. Cleveland (fr. TB) - CB, Coye Francies, San Jose State - Signed (4-years, terms undisclosed)
    192. Detroit (fr. DAL) - RB, Aaron Brown, TCU - Signed (3-years, terms undisclosed)
    193. NY Jets - G, Matt Slauson, Nebraska - Signed (4-years, $1.85M; $100,200 signing bonus)
    194. Philadelphia - WR, Brandon Gibson, Washington State - Signed (4-years, $1.85M; $100K signing bonus)
    195. Cleveland (fr. PHI/MIN) - RB, James Davis, Clemson - Signed (4-years, terms undisclosed)
    196. St. Louis (fr. ATL) - QB, Keith Null, West Texas A&M - Agreed to terms (4-years, terms undisclosed)
    197. Dallas (fr. MIA) - LB, Stephen Hodge, TCU - Signed (4-years, terms undisclosed)
    198. New England (fr. BAL) - LS, Jake Ingram, Hawaii
    199. Oakland (fr. NE) - DE, Stryker Sulak, Missouri - WAIVED/UNSIGNED
    200. NY Giants - CB, DeAndre Wright, New Mexico - Signed (4-years, $1.83M; $93,009 signing bonus)
    201. Indianapolis - QB, Curtis Painter, Purdue
    202. Oakland (fr. CAR) - TE, Brandon Myers, Iowa - Signed (4-years, terms undisclosed)
    203. Tennessee - CB, Jason McCourty, Rutgers - Signed (4-years, $1.839M; $89,800 signing bonus)
    204. Arizona - LB, Will Davis, Illinois - Signed (3-years, $1.25M; $65,916 signing bonus)
    205. Pittsburgh - DT, Ra'Shon Harris, Oregon - Signed (3-years, $1.249M; $64,000 signing bonus)
    206. Tennessee (comp) - WR, Dominique Edison, Stephen F. Austin - Signed (4-years, $1.83M; $80,600 signing bonus)
    207. New England (comp) - DT, Myron Pryor, Kentucky - Signed (4-years, $1.829M; $79,000 signing bonus)
    208. Dallas (comp) - TE, John Phillips, Virginia - Signed (4-years, terms undisclosed)
    209. Cincinnati (comp) - RB, Bernard Scott, Abilene Christian - Signed (4-years, $1.827M; $77,500 signing bonus)
     
  2. sdbound

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    The popular train of though is that his brother/agent is being very careful not to make a mistake with the contract.
     
  3. TBF

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    Hell be there.... Its much more than just the obvious money.... clause here, clause there etc....

    i respect the guy for going with family and keeping the money in house.... Its scary to mix biz and family, i hope it works out for us and both of them.
     
  4. BoltzRule

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    Maybe he wants 3 years while the Chargers want 4, or maybe it's just something minor.
     
  5. Buck Melanoma

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    Yup - he's inexperienced with this sort of thing. Last I heard is that they're close. He'll be in with the vets at the latest, I believe.
     
  6. MasterOfPuppets

    MasterOfPuppets Charger fan since 1979

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    I hope he signs soon, I want him to take Hart's spot, sorry Trumpy :icon_shrug:
     
  7. Buck Melanoma

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    Screw Trumpy. Hart's a scrub. :lol:
     
  8. MONDO.

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    Although holding out isn't the smartest game to play with AJ this isn't some superstar negotiations a 10 year; $140,000,000 contract either...

    I think it is something minor and everything will be sorted out by preseason... Hopefully the kid can get on the field and make some plays.

    Although Hart has been a scrub at times; he has also worked his *** off to stay on the field and this year won't be any difference. Baring injury and given the chargers record of easing rooks into the system, Ellison will be used sparingly the first half of the season, and hopefully push to take the starting spot by mid-season.

    Go BOLTS!
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  9. coachmarkos

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    according to BW's "sources" it's most likely because it's his brother, and he's never done this before., and he's calling the PA all the time to make sure he isn't making a mistake.

    I'm confident they'll get it done soon, and I can't really blame the kid for hiring his brother.
     
  10. Buck Melanoma

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    that's the rumor that I'm getting thru the interwebs. :yes:
     
  11. Fouts

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    I actually like Norv's response. :icon_eek:

    “I’m disappointed that Kevin is not here,” Turner said. “He’s a sixth-round pick. I just hope it doesn’t keep him from making the football team. Every day he’s not here it’s going to hurt him.”
     
  12. Buck Melanoma

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    I do as well, but I'm not happy that he's losing ground on taking Hart's job with every day that he stays out.

    Norv has the right stance on it, though.
     
  13. Johnny Lightning

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    CHARGERS NOTES: Turner upset by Ellison's holdout

    By SCOTT BAIR - Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:11 AM PDT

    SAN DIEGO ---- Kevin Ellison didn't participate in the first practice of training camp, and Chargers coach Norv Turner wasn't happy about it.

    The sixth-round pick out of USC impressed the coaching staff during offseason sessions, so much so that Ellison was expected to compete for significant playing time and possibility a starting spot at strong safety.

    The excitement has been tempered slightly by Ellison's absence on Monday due to a prolonged contract negotiation.

    "I'm disappointed that Kevin's not here," Turner said. "He's a sixth-round pick, and I just hope it doesn't keep him from making the football team. Every day he's not here, it's going to hurt him."

    Chris Ellison, Kevin's brother and agent, would not comment on Turner's reaction, but did characterize the negotiations as "pretty friendly."

    "We're pretty close," Chris Ellison said. "I don't want to give an exact timetable, but we'll get something done sooner rather than later. I'm confident we'll get a deal done in the near future."

    In Turner's eyes, a deal can't get done fast enough.

    "It's a big deal for a young player to miss time," he said, "especially when you're fighting for a spot on a very good roster."

    Buster's back

    Wide receiver Buster Davis was a full participant in the Chargers' first workout of training camp. He caught seemingly every pass thrown his way and looked good doing so, after missing significant time last season with a groin problem.

    "I think being here early will give me an advantage when everyone else comes in," said Davis, who hasn't lived up to expectations since being picked in the first round of the 2007 NFL draft. "It will allow me to get better timing with Philip (Rivers) and Billy (Volek)."

    That's important for Davis because of the missed time.

    "Buster looked good," Rivers said. "He's had some unfortunate injuries that he's had a hard time battling through them. ... We all know what Buster can do. You saw signs of that at times. We know what he can do, and he seems determined to prove himself."

    Refresher course

    The first few practices of training camp are held for rookies and select veterans ---- generally, quarterbacks or players coming off injury. The objective is to review what was taught during offseason coaching sessions so the team can get going in earnest on Friday when the full squad works out for the first time.

    With so many rep-deserving veterans absent, rookies have a chance to impress while they're the focal point.

    "You progress through repetition, so it's great to get so many touches in practice," said running back Gartrell Johnson, a fourth-round pick out of Colorado State. "I'm always trying to impress, trying to open eyes in different ways, whether it's rushing or catching passes or blocking or on special teams. This first week offers a chance to make a good impression."

    Et cetera

    Ten veterans joined the rookies on the first day of training camp. Some of them rehabilitated inside, but WR Buster Davis, OLB Shawne Merriman, QBs Phillip Rivers, Billy Volek and Charlie Whitehurst, ILB Brandon Siler and OLs L.J. Shelton and Scott Mruczkowski were heavily involved in the practice itself. ... Former Los Angeles and USC coach John Robinson, Chargers coach Norv Turner's close friend and mentor, is helping the Chargers as an advisor and consultant.


    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/07/28/sports/chargers/z1606c2add956a8fc8825760000820a59.txt
     
  14. SanDiegoRon

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    he's from SC, what did you expect...:lol:
     
  15. AnteaterCharger

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    he should remember he's a 6th rounder who has a CHANCE to step in and participate/start. He keeps holding out his chances drop a bit every day
     
  16. sdbound

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    Good point. The Chargers should at least match what USC was paying him.
     
  17. TheLash

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    I agree it's stupid for a 6th rounder w/ the guys to both sides of him signed to not be signed:tdown:
     
  18. sdbound

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    The Chargers are offering a 4 yr deal, Ellison is holding out for a 3 yr deal. He won't get it.
     
  19. TheLash

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    :lol:damn I wish I'd said that
     
  20. Fouts

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    Idiot brother, sounds like he is in over his head, might ruin the 6th round picks chance to play on a VERY GOOD TEAM. This aint the Faiders, or queefs, every spot is going to be hard to get!
     
  21. Osmekaman

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    Most 6th round picks are so desperate for a shot at making an NFL roster that they will take whatever is offered to get to camp.

    Seems to me that Kevin rates himself more highly than that and is maybe confident of becoming a starter on this team (where ever did he get that idea from :icon_shrug:).
    He'll be hoping for starter money a year earlier than would be possible with a 4 year deal.

    Like everyone else, I hope he doesn't make a booboo here.
     

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