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Why Julius Peppers will help Mario Williams into a bolts uniform next year.

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by mettadown, Jan 24, 2012.

  1. mettadown

    mettadown BoltTalker

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    Arian Foster is much more valuable to the Texans with his 1800 yards from scrimmage and 12 touchdowns this year following his breakout 2010 season so he will pick up the franchise tag.

    With Connor Barwin picking up 11.5 sacks, Brooks Reed and Antonio Smith combining for 12.5 sacks on the other side the drop off in production doesn't warrant spending the type of money that Williams will demand. Especially since Barwin and Reed are 25 and 24 respectively.

    The chargers are in a very similar situation to where the Chicago Bears were in the 2010 off-season. In 2009 the bears went 7-9, following a 9-7 season in 2008 and 3 years of missing the playoffs in 2006 (the season they went to the super bowl) with their Coach and GM on the hot-seat. Then they signed Julius Peppers, returned to the playoffs and won their way to the NFC Championship game.

    A.J. Smith is on the hot-seat, he's missed the playoffs for the last 2 years and there's a chance to make a splash in free agency with a big pass rushing specialist which could prove the spark needed to make the next step.
     
  2. RipTheJacker

    RipTheJacker Well-Known Member

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    While its a pipe dream for us to get Mario Williams, i sincerely hope this dream comes true!
     
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  3. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    We were right up against the cap as it was, and now we have to re-sign VJ, Garay, Gaither and Hardwick (if he doesn't retire) at minimum......I just don't know how we can afford this guy.

    Or why the Texans wouldn't franchise tag him rather than risk getting nothing for a guy they spent the #1 overall pick on.

    Hope so, but highly doubt this one.
     
  4. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    I'd be willing to part with Hardwick and possibly Jackson to bring in a bonafide playmaker like Mario Williams onto the Chargers. We can replace Hardwick and Jackson can be replaced easier then it is to find a top flight pass rusher
     
  5. mettadown

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    The highest paid outside pass rusher was Elvis Dumerville who made $14 million in 2011 (http://www.therichest.org/sports/highest-paid-nfl-players-2011/) so logic says Williams will be looking for around that sort of money.

    Luis Castillo due $4.9 million in 2012 and reports from Acee say he's gonna be cut when his roster bonus of $1 million is due.

    Vincent Jackson will cost $13 million if he's franchised, but the talk is his contract will resemble a 5 year $50 million which probably means around $8 million in 2012.

    Travis Laboy will cost $1.7 million against the cap in 2012. If we could sign Williams I'm sure nobody would mind if Laboy was cut.

    That's $11.6 million saved and we've only lost Luis Castillo and Travis Laboy. From memory both Weddle and Clary's contracts were both front loaded to save cap space down the road, so I think there is more in the coffers than we think based on 2011 cap space.

    Regarding franchise tag, there isn't that much of a drop-off between Williams and the guys who replaced him, especially at the price Williams will demand and they also have Arian Foster as a free agent who will be more likely to sign a franchise tag.
     
  6. mettadown

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    I can't help but think that Hardwick won't be the player in 2012 that he has been in the past. He didn't get injured yet said he wants to retire because he doesn't want to get a long term serious injury. In my opinion its when you play to avoid injury that you get them. If he's going to play soft, do we even want him protecting Rivers?

    I'd be more willing to get rid of Antonio Garay, he's had problems with injuries and Cam Thomas played well enough down the stretch to tell me that Garay will be an overpaid backup (Darren Sproles anyone?) sooner rather than later, Garay has a total of 8 sacks and 9 tackles for loss for his entire career and he's been in the league since 2003. While Cam Thomas 6 sacks and 2 TFL in the two years he's been sitting behind Garay.

    He was good in 2010, but didn't really do much in 2011 that Cam Thomas didn't do. In both years the D-line got dominated on a regular basis.
     
  7. Brundlefly

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    Sacks aren't really the measurement to be using for nose tackles
     
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  8. jackfrost

    jackfrost Well-Known Member

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    Amen to that Brudder............ right with you ! :tup:
     
  9. Blue Bolt

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    Certainly not............ especially when they get more sacks than your best OLB. :roflmao:
     
  10. jackfrost

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    I'm liking your thinking alot .................. if a Mario Williams is even a 1% chance to get hold of, you move Heaven and Earth if your the Chargers to obtain him, the Julius Peppers correllation is an excellent one by the way.

    What we see happen in regards to FA's will tell us alot about how serious Spanos truly is in regard to changing things up as far as the roster is concerned.

    Oh loving this as well, bye bye Luis, time for the Martin's and Thomas's to get their shot and the LaBoys of the world, need no longer apply, the day of just getting warm/relatively cheap bodies to fill spaces is over if this franchise ever hopes to break through into the upper echelon again.

    Hardwick has been on his last legs for 3 years now, time to update for sure. Has always been undersized for a Center but did a decent job without being elite.
    Garay too has had his moments, but again, is never going to reach elite status, if he wants outragous money, let him walk and find a FA out there or move Thomas, but whatever you do, please don't do a Clary/McNeill and sign the guy longterm for some ridiculous amount, simply because you can, he's no Vince Wilfork.
     
  11. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    It's interesting that you mention both Hardwick and Garay, because they are essentially the same guy...... just on opposite sides of the ball. Hardwick is 6'4" 305 lb, and Garay is 6'4" 320 lb (as listed).

    Hardwick is a former high school wrestler, who is undersized for the position, but uses his quickness and hand technique to his advantage. Garay is a former high school wrestler, who is undersized for the position, but uses his quickness and hand technique to his advantage. They are both jokesters and popular locker room players. Brothers from another mother. ;)
     
  12. jackfrost

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    Some one needs to tell Wilfork to settle the hell down then ....... he's playing well above his expectations for nothing then. ;)
     
  13. Fouts

    Fouts I heart Deano!

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    Mario Williams is 26 yrs old, 14 years too young, and relevant for the buffoon Spanos family to take a "chance" on him.
     
  14. jackfrost

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    A wrestling background is a perfect one to come from for either position, no doubt.

    Good center of balance, knowledge of good hands techneque and a strong core are whats needed to succeed at those positions.
    Hardwicks the "smallest 6' 4"" guy I've ever seen by the way ..... ;)

    I reckon he must have been measured when he was in his Hardwina getup, high heels included.
     
  15. jackfrost

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    Am I missing something ?..............why not the same Mother !!! :D
     
  16. Blue Bolt

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    And I thought I was the :poop: stirrer around here. ;)
     
  17. jackfrost

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    Time will tell ..............lets see if it's just more lipservice, as has been the case for far to long now.
     
  18. jackfrost

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    You are .....no question in my mind at all !!! :D

    maybe their Dad was an albino Icelandic iceberg keeper and a fulltime nudist ?
     
  19. HollywoodLeo

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    I'm certainly not holding my breath, but with jobs on the line I'd say the still-minimal odds of bigger signings are larger than they normally are.
     
  20. Blue Bolt

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    Desperate men do desperate things........ #orsoiveheard ;)
     
  21. jackfrost

    jackfrost Well-Known Member

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    I can validate that ..... :(
     
  22. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    That wasn't a farm animals reference........ #imjustsaying :D
     
  23. Buck Melanoma

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    I'll be completely shocked if the Texans let Williams slip away.

    I'll be even more shocked if we make any serious overtures toward signing him.

    AJ isn't worried about a job. If he isn't here, he'll find something with another team. That isn't a statement of support, just fact.
     
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  24. jackfrost

    jackfrost Well-Known Member

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    Oh, my bad ...... may I be excused ?
     
  25. jackfrost

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    I don't think you'll be on your Robinson Crusoe there Buck, but isn't it time we at least made an inquiry with the guy ?....whats to lose afterall ?

    Yeah, it will certainly be something many of us haven't seen in many a year, but hey, there's always a first time again. ;)

    As for AJ !! ....he may be a little more concerned about his standing among his peers than you think, with all the publicity he and Norv have recieved in regards to being retained, the entire NFL is aware of his status and lets be honest, if he hasn't been able to succeed with the class of players he has had over the past 10 years, why would anyone entrust him with their product of today, maybe the game's passed his way of thinking by ?
     
  26. mettadown

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    I know sacks aren't the measurement for nose tackles, but when you combine it with tackle for loss you can get somewhat of a picture as to how much havoc the player can cause and how much the player is needed to be double teamed. If you're going on a per snap basis, based on sacks and tfl's then Cam Thomas is the better NT and in the 3-4 a NT should be dominate and need to be double teamed.
     
  27. Buck Melanoma

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    GM isn't the only position in the NFL that AJ could consider.

    I have no issue with inquiring. I just don't believe that the Chargers will make an offer that would entice Williams to come to this team.
     
  28. jackfrost

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    No, your right there, but this is AJ we are talking about here.

    From what you've seen of the man in his time as the Chargers GM, does lowering himself to a lesser role seem a reasonable assumption ?
    He may be able to sweet talk his way into another GM job somewhere no doubt, rehashing seems the in-thing these days in the NFL afterall, especially among FO personal, but just like Beathard before him, everyone's time comes sooner or later, regardless of how you were once percieved.
     
  29. Buck Melanoma

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    Maybe not. But everyone likes to eat.

    He can always go sell used cars if he can pass off wrecks as creampuffs.
     
  30. SuperCharger92

    SuperCharger92 Winners Win

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    I mean it sucks we will cut Castillo the guy is such a great person in the community in what not but I think its just time.. He is due even more in the next coming years as well..

    How about we contact our old buddy Ron Riveira? Trade Castillo there for a 3rd-4th rounder? Or a second rounder in next year's draft anyone?

    I was hard on Martin, but he seemed to slim down a bit no? He looks pretty good for a guy thats listed 320.. I wouldn't mind him being a starter with a rotational guy in there, but Liuget NEEDS to step it up next year..
     

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