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Why Norv failed in Wash.- Snyder fires Saunders and Williams

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by sickswonnyne, Jan 27, 2008.

  1. sickswonnyne

    sickswonnyne Well-Known Member

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    As the Raiders (i.e. Al Davis) continue to sabotage their own team, Snyder proves his own ineptitude and why it sucked for Norv to work for him... imo he didn't give the right people the chance to succeed...

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hnA7JSzi54qUiXIHW1zFauq72XxQD8UE3QVG0

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Washington Redskins seem to have a whole lot of their coaching staff in place for next season — except for the head coach. And that head coach won't be Gregg Williams. Or Al Saunders.

    As for the rest of the candidates, they'll have to wait until the Super Bowl is done.

    On a busy Saturday at Redskins Park, the team fired assistants Williams and Saunders, promoted Greg Blache to lead the team's defense and formally announced the hiring of Jim Zorn to head the offense.

    There was more. A person familiar with the coaching selection process told The Associated Press that linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti has agreed to a new contract. Running backs coach Earnest Byner, the only other assistant whose deal was about to expire, has been in talks with Tampa Bay about a job but would be welcome to return as well.

    The person said Al Saunders' son, offensive assistant Bob Saunders, will not return next season. Less certain was the future of quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor. After initially deciding that Lazor will not be back next season, the Redskins instead will leave his fate to the new head coach.

    The person also said that most of the rest of the coaching staff was expected to remain with the team, which would lend credence to owner Dan Snyder's stated desire to maintain a degree of continuity following the resignation of head coach Joe Gibbs on Jan. 8.

    The person spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the subject.

    As for the search for a head coach, the next interviews aren't expected to take place until Feb. 4, the day after the New York Giants and New England Patriots play for the NFL championship, so that Snyder can talk to assistants from the two teams involved.

    "The process of selecting a new head coach continues, although no hire is planned until after the Super Bowl so as not to distract from the championship game as well as to keep open all our options," Snyder said in a statement, his first public comments on a coaching search that began more than two weeks ago.

    Williams' dismissal removes one of the early favorites to succeed Gibbs. Williams had been in charge of the Redskins defense for all four seasons under Gibbs and was popular among fans and many players, but his confrontational style and poor track record at his previous head coaching stint with the Buffalo Bills did little to help his chances for the top job.

    Williams often said that he had learned under Gibbs how better to deal with people, but his short fuse remained on full display for players and reporters all four years in Washington. He committed a major breach of protocol — and created an embarrassing moment for Gibbs — when he failed to tell the head coach that he was going to send only 10 men onto the field on the first play of the first game following the death of Sean Taylor in November.

    Williams met four times with Snyder to discuss the head coaching job, but it quickly became clear that the owner was more focused on other candidates, including former Giants head coach Jim Fassel, current Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. Snyder also has interviewed Indianapolis Colts defensive coordinator Ron Meeks and Tennessee Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz.

    The person familiar with the selection process said the Redskins have granted the St. Louis Rams permission to interview both Williams and Saunders for coordinator positions. The person said the Rams had to seek permission because, even though Williams and Saunders were told they were being dismissed, the team hasn't formally terminated their contracts.

    The person also said Saunders, who ran the offense the past two seasons, was never a candidate for the head coaching position and was told several days ago that he was not in the team's plans. Saunders, like Williams, was considered a possible heir-apparent to Gibbs when he arrived in Washington, but he was never able to generate the type of consistent, high-yardage attack he had during his long stint as an offensive coordinator in Kansas City.

    Saunders' fate was sealed when Zorn, the Seattle Seahawks quarterback coach since 2001, agreed to a three-year deal Friday. Zorn also is expected to coach the quarterbacks, which would seem to make Lazor's job redundant.

    Snyder lived up to his goal of keeping staff turnover as a reasonable level by promoting Blache, who has coached the defensive line and has held the title of defensive coordinator — in name only, because the job was actually Williams' — since 2004. Blache was previously the defensive coordinator for five seasons for the Chicago Bears.

    The moves mean that the new head coach — whoever he is — will find his staff essentially in place when he takes over. In his statement, Snyder expressed confidence in making the moves now because Zorn, Blache and the other Redskins assistants were highly regarded by the candidates he has interviewed.
     
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  2. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

    Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan Well-Known Member

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    Considering the constant Uncle Al melt downs in Oakland and what just happened in DC, to me Norv's official W/L record as coach in the NFL began when he started here.
     
  3. Thread_Killer

    Thread_Killer Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the info, sw.

    How strange, I looked at hiring the staff beforehand as a HUGE negative. Any prospective head coach worth his salt is going to have a problem with this.

    Working for an impatient, impulsive owner, can't hire your own assistants, plus the spectre of a true coaching legend (Joe Gibbs) looking over your shoulder as a team consultant.

    It will be interesting to see who actually takes this job.


    :lol:
     
  4. RM24

    RM24 BoltTalker

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    Agreed. As long as Snyder and Davis are running those organizations, they won't get anywhere. Snyder has a lot of cash, but has NO idea on how to build a winning organization. He changes coaching staffs like every other year and signed overpriced FA's that are cap killers. Snyder has to be one of the worst owners in the NFL. Oh, add Al Davis in there. Not long ago we could say the same thing about Spanos, but his son hired real football men to run it.
     
  5. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

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    Poor track record eh.

    Yeah, like all the coaches that Snyder hired with huge winning track records elsewhere did well under him in Washington D.C.

    First, there was Norv, who's offensive gameplans guided the Cowboys to consecutive Super Bowl titles in the early 1990s and was a huge part of their third after he left. Yet, in Washington, under Snyder's mad dictatorship, Norv was only able to get the Redskins to one postseason appearance because of Snyder's meddling in his coaching staff and choice of QB.

    Second, Marty Schottenheimer, who had one of the best regular season records career-wise, did just 8-8 under Snyder's control and then was summarily fired.

    Third, Steve Spurrier. Spurrier was near god-like in Florida for what he did with the Gators, yet he posted two losing seasons as the 'Skins HC.

    Fourth, Joe Gibbs II. Did the best as Washington's HC, but that was because Snyder backed off the most with Gibbs because Joe didn't take any of his ****. He had the history to allow him to tell Snyder to fucq off and do it however he wanted. Several postseason appearances and a playoff win later, Gibbs tired of what appeared to be Snyder butting his head back in and retired.

    Now with Gibbs gone, Snyder has reverted back to his micromanaging, head-coach suffocating, self.
     
  6. Retired Catholic

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    Al Davis is whispering Sauder's name in his sleep, right about now.
     
  7. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    Al passed out, blowing bubbles in his cream of chicken soup right now. It just sounds like he's saying "saaaaaaaunderrrrrrrs"... :icon_rofl:
     
  8. Chuck F.

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    People like Dan Snyder just will never get it.

    And Jerry Jones has gotten worse as well....at least he has superbowl rings...but he is still getting pretty bad.

    He does not need to be standing RIGHT NEXT TO THE COACH during a game. I realize he as always been on the sideline...but can you please give the coach some space???
     
  9. WonderSlug

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    The Cowboys have just gone "one and done" in the playoffs for the fifth straight time! :icon_eek:

    They have also lost 6 straight playoff games.

    January 13, 2008 Divisional Playoff - lost 21-17 to New York Giants
    January 6, 2007 Wildcard Round - lost 21-20 to Seattle Seahawks (Romo fumbles FG snap)
    January 3, 2004 Wildcard Round - lost 29-10 to Carolina Panthers
    January 9, 2000 Wildcard Round - lost 27-10 to Minnesota Vikings
    January 2, 1999 Wildcard Round - lost 20-7 to Arizona Cardinals
    January 5, 1997 Divisional Round - lost 26-16 to Carolina Panthers

    We Charger fans would have screamed bloody murder had we gone that just 3 straight times, but SIX straight losses!?!?!?

    :lol:


    Three NFL owners I despise are crying and facing fan revolt.

    :icon_rofl:
     
  10. Shamrock

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    But some people are running around saying that "Norv redeemed himself" ....

    How can this be? I thought all of Washington and Oakland's woes were because of Norv? We need B4L to explain ...
     
  11. boltmanbz

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    ahahha syder and davis Norv worked for before, u cant blame him for his record at all ahah
     
  12. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

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    :icon_eek::icon_rofl:
     
  13. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

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    Yep. 11 years since they won a playoff game.
     
  14. BoltFanDC

    BoltFanDC Mufflers Are Overrated

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    This town bleeds for the Redskins...but I can say with certainty that fans here are geniunely pissed at ol' Danny Boy and his lap dog Vinny (Cerrato).

    -- Begin Rant --
    How in the hell do you can both of your coordinators, when your HOF head coach basically anoints one of them as his successor (Williams) and said coach led a top-tier defense just this past year?

    Add to that the fact that FedEx field has to be one of the worst places in the NFL to see a game for a variety of reasons. And Danny wonders why fans are in revolt...wow.

    It's like Oakland East around here...not that that bothers me much :lol:

    -- End Rant --

    Go Bolts, and thank goodness for relative stability! :bolt:
     
  15. Chargers-Superhero

    Chargers-Superhero Just win the Damn SB !!!

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    I'll cut Norv some slack for the following reasons.

    1. Washington has an eccentric owner, and had not the best talent to work with.

    2. Oakland has an even more eccentric owner, and had even worse talent to work with.

    Two crazy owners with little talent, playing in tough divisions=losing record.
     
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  16. Buck Melanoma

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    Instigator!! :icon_tease: :lol:

    Yeah, the Redskins fans around here are NOT happy at all. Gibbs had all but anointed Williams the next HC. Bet he's giving Danny an ear full. As for Oakland - who's surprised?? :icon_huh:
     
  17. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    This will be easy!!!!
    Did Spanos destroy Gilbride's career as a head coach?
    How about Riley's?

    Norv's career as a head coach...
    Redskins... 94 - 99
    Raiders... 04 - 05

    Hmmmmm. Five years with no job (as head coach) then two years. BIG FREAKIN' GAPS. AREN'T THEY?!!!! YOU FIGURE IT OUT!!!

    Washington... We've been over this a billion times but no need to take my word. Ask any Skins fan how great he was!!!

    Oakland... Not exactly a great place to be. Though he did NOT get the job because he was Al's top choice. IT WAS BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTED THE JOB!!! Why do you keep denying it?

    San Diego... Not AJ's top choice either but the pickings are slim when you fire your head coach in March!!!

    NOW... NORV HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AND HAS REDEEMED HIMSELF!!! IT DOESN'T TAKE AN EINSTEIN TO FIGURE THIS OUT!!!

    But just in case you still failed the test... NORV REDEEMED HIMSELF!!!
    NORV REDEEMED HIMSELF!!!
    NORV REDEEMED HIMSELF!!!
    NORV REDEEMED HIMSELF!!!

    With that said... ask the rest of this forum how happy they were when it was announced the Norv was our head coach.
    Better yet, ask them how much confidence they had in Norv in week 10.

    So I explained how NORV DID REDEEM HIMSELF!!!
    That wasn't so hard to understand. Was it?
     
  18. WonderSlug

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    In between are two stints as the OC of a struggling Chargers franchise and struggling Dolphins franchise. Even after he left, Cam still pretty much ran that exact same offense with success, so Norv left a favorable mark on the Chargers early this decade.


    'Skins fans are starting to realize that maybe it wasn't Norv, but their megalomaniacal owner, that made it so difficult to be a HC there.

    After all, after Norv was fired, it still took Washington another 5 years before they had a winning season.

    Once again, a megalomaniacal owner that gave Norv **** to work with and was surprised he didn't have a winning season.


    Glad you understand that Norv, and pretty much any good HC, requires a supportive owner and GM, along with a decent group of players with talent, to have a winning season.


    Not really. Do you now feel confident that Norv will return us to the AFC Championship next season?
     
  19. boltmanbz

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    i feel confident that Norv will have us in the Superbowl next season
     
  20. Kwak

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    Norv didn't have to redeem **** when you look at the facts.

    He worked for THE 2 worst fuking owners in the NFL if you are a HC.

    Danny Boy and Crazy Old Al. Al had his days in the past, I will give him that, but the last 5 years his team has been a disaster.

    Spanos didn't destroy ****. Bobby Beathard and his drafting fuked this team and Ryan Leaf was his crowning moment toward the end of his reign. Ryan Leaf was a bigger part of Gibride's and Riley's departure. Hell, June Jones was smart enough to get the hell away from Leaf when he bailed on a NFL HC opportunity to be HC of Hawaii.

    Remeber June Jones had the other "Million Dollar Arm and 10 cent Brain" QB in Jeff George when he was in ATL. He could see the writing on the wall that this was a no win scenario.

    The mistake the Spanos's made was choosing the wrong guy in BB vs BR.

    They got it right this time keeping AJ and kicking Marty to the curb.


    Norv is a happy man and he is giving a BIG :icon_finger: to all the haters and doubters.
     
  21. BOLTS4LIFE

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    Hmmmmmm... As I remember, you were one of the many who was not happy with Norv being hired from the start.


    Since you're so dead sold that his poor resume was all the because of the team owners, let's use this as a starting point...

    He was handed one of the most talented teams in the league in 2007. In week 10, we were 5-5 and didn't even look like a team. It had bee an extremely long time since we got our asses kicked so badly (New England and Minnesota.)

    After week 10, we got a pretty easy schedule though the rest the rest of the season but we finished at 11-5.
    Then of course, we won two playoff games (including one in a very hostile RCA Dome) and almost did the impossible of beating the Patsies at Gillette Stadium with two major weapons missing.
    THAT IS REDEMPTION!!!!!:bolt: :yes:


    BTW... Spanos hired Bobby Beathard. So going by your logic, shouldn't he be held responsible for Gilbrid's horrible resume (as head coach?) Riley's too in that case. Nobody's hired them (as head coach) since. How unfair!!! :lol:
     
  22. BOLTS4LIFE

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    HUGE mistake on the Skins was firing Marty after just one season.
    Talk about having NOTHING to work with... try Tony Banks as your starter!!! :icon_eek:
    That and after an 0-5 start, an 8-8 finish is pretty impressive. They just missed the playoffs and ALL the teams in the NFC were glad as Hell they didn't have to face them.

    They finished extremely strong and there's no doubt in my mind that Marty would have had them in the playoffs the next season. Who knows? Maybe his playoff luck would be different in the NFC.


    I expect the Super Bowl!!! :bolt:
     

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